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  • #79,081
  • Feb 17, 2015 9:59am Feb 17, 2015 9:59am
GBPJPY Long Trade Open/Close:

Closed for gain of 90 pips average/total.
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  • #79,082
  • Edited 10:40am Feb 17, 2015 10:18am | Edited 10:40am
Quoting BatmanJr
Hello Sonicers, I've learned Sonic PVSRA very well. What I want to say is that I also did Back testing both on Classic/Scout setups. Let's talk about EURJPY for example, Market was being wild, sometimes high volatile, sometimes volatility decreased, sometimes choppy, sometimes great strength trend. In this condition, when Trend was strong in EJ through Dec, Jan 2015 and range bound/choppy being for now. Even in minutes time frame Dragon on DEC, over 500~600 pips trending sometimes, How do you react? Wait the reversal for new classic setups? or dare...
USDCAD

BatmanJr,

If you learn anything at all about the analysis we call PVSRA that we use in the Sonic R. System, it is that it is an art form skill involving the seeking and appraisal of quantitative and qualitative clues across multiple time frame charts. It is a skill we develop over time from our ongoing work with PVSRA and our learning how the market really works while doing so. It is not something based on a formula and validated via mathematical precision. We are dealing with decisions MMs make about manipulating prices up and down the price queue for the purpose of stealing money from others - LIQUIDITY CREATION (creative name for theft) - decisions they make based on how orders are stacking up as shown them by their price queue software, and how much they can steal by moving price in either, or both directions for however far the software "recommends". Countering this is not the purvey of indicators or EAs.

Here is an example. Is USDCAD bullish or bearish? It looks like there might be a long setup forming here, right? On the other hand, look at some of the clues PVSRA offers: last high activity is above a half number (you should know what that implies if you did your homework), and note where is the last heavy consolidation is (you'd know what consolidation stands for if you have done your homework), and where the last price whip went to. And there is an agreeing clue appearing even earlier on the chart. What is that clue? And then there is also the bigger picture on the higher TFs. What do they suggest?

And so, is it bearish or bullish? And, in spite of whatever we decide, what should we do,.....what is our Battle Cry?

-tah
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  • #79,083
  • Feb 17, 2015 11:02am Feb 17, 2015 11:02am
Sonic R. System Example

- First wave not in LS. High risk of going nowhere and even reversing.
- Second wave in LS. Entry after classic breakout at break of previous significant high.
- Third wave in LS. Entry after pullback to support as price breaks up and passes thru a local SR level. Could wait longer, for price to break past the last high.

And note the difference in the Dragon angles.
And note when the Dragon got over on the right side of the Trend line.

Remember too, there can be stop hunts. The biggest ones tend to be in the LS and in the US part of it. Jumping into trades early lengthens our exposure to them. The greater the angle of the Dragon, and with the Dragon being above the Trend, and with entry not until price breaks thru the last significant high or low, the less chance there is of a substantial "last minute" stop hunt.

Trading the Sonic R. System is about patience, about waiting for those things we look for in a Classic setup to have better "qualities". We are not trading for maximum distance. We are trading for maximum momentum, be the remaining distance long or short. As we get better at doing this, we can increase the size of our trades.

-tah
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  • #79,084
  • Edited 6:46pm Feb 17, 2015 11:20am | Edited 6:46pm
Quoting BatmanJr
{quote} Thanks you too. But even what I trade with PVSRA, I can go wrong. And despite I define the trend with Dragon bull/bear as you already knew these days, prices are going flat within and parallel through Dragon, and started to going down yesterday and today turned back to Flat zone. Should we trade on Higher time frame at least H1? 15 minutes, The smaller, the noisier? Here are the examples of GBPUSD 15 M Classic with PVSRA. Price Zones withing Red box were hard to trade and loss trade for classic PVSRA trader. {image} {image}
How to Deal With Trading a Pair that is Ranging

When price is ranging, the best is to trade Classic long setups that form near the bottom of the range, and Classic short setups that form near the top of the range. Since we look for Classic setups to represent moves away from whole or half numbers, that too must be taken into consideration. And the expectations for any appropriate setup should take into consideration where the opposite limit of the range exists as a first target choice. The result is, depending on how large or small the range is, that you might decide to just pass on trading such a pair for the time being.

Also, remember that ranging the price is what the MMs do when building positions. Whether they range price for a couple of hours, or a couple of weeks, it amounts to the same. They are closing positions not suitable for their next planned move and they are opening positions suitable for their next planned move. And if they do not have a "next planned move", they are just jockeying the price to make interim profits for themselves.

What is even more important to remember is that if they are building for a planned move at the end of their ranging, there will also be stop hunts before such a move happens. The market is all about liquidity. The MMs will be after all those that also accumulated right side positions during ranging. So trading the range should be an in-and-out proposition while it goes on. You will not want to be holding when they seek to steal from you with a stop hunt just before they start their run for profits.

-tah
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  • #79,085
  • Feb 17, 2015 11:54am Feb 17, 2015 11:54am
Hey, thanks for the lovely posts. I am still trying to grasp the concept of volume in relation to liquidity. So basically, price goes to areas of high liquidity, correct? And volume is supposed to help us gauge that...?

Trying to figure out whats happening on GU. Seems ranging for now tho notably on smaller TF, the bigger volume usually appears with a bearish candle?
  • #79,086
  • Edited 12:53pm Feb 17, 2015 12:28pm | Edited 12:53pm
Quoting MaryAnne
Hey, thanks for the lovely posts. I am still trying to grasp the concept of volume in relation to liquidity. So basically, price goes to areas of high liquidity, correct? And volume is supposed to help us gauge that...? Trying to figure out whats happening on GU. Seems ranging for now tho notably on smaller TF, the bigger volume usually appears with a bearish candle?
Why Do MMs Manipulate Price and What do Notable Volumes Tell Us?

MMs push price up or down for two reasons: to get price to where there are lots of orders to be filled (seeking commissions for doing so), and to make a profit on positions they themselves built in anticipation of such a push. Where are the likely areas they might push price to? Just look at historic prices and see where are the key S&R areas and the key consolidation areas. Some call these S&R areas Demand & Supply areas. Are they? It depends on if there currently is supply/demand there. Only the MMs know via their price queue software. And for others that might have a facsimile - order flow software - the MMs could place fictitious orders themselves, ones they will pull at the time of their choosing, and just to deceive others into doing the wrong thing. Rely on historic prices to reveal S&R and consolidation. That is the most reliable. We still do not know at which of these price might land, and we never will be able to know. That is the decision of the MMs and except when central banks might intervene they are in total control of market pricing, market deception and market theft.

Notable changes in volume can denote notable interest by the MMs; price areas they prefer to accumulate, distribute or simply to push price. They can occur at the breakout of ranging and during price pushes, which denote the MMs forcing the price to move in the direction they want it to move, usually after they have already taken their positions ahead of the planned move they are now executing. Of course, they can occur at what later we see was the near end of runs, denoting the MMs closing their positions while still pushing the price to maintain the market momentum that will allow them to do so at optimum prices. Hence, notable volumes tell us something. What that something most likely is will depend on where in overall price action they appear. PVSRA is an art form, not an exact science.

-tah
  • #79,087
  • Feb 17, 2015 12:34pm Feb 17, 2015 12:34pm
Hello Sonicers,

I have a problem with My MT4 platform. I can't install Sonic template for several months. MT4 could not detect the sonic template. Whenever every chart window open and select the Sonic template 2014/13, it shows me USDCAD in black template and GBPUSD in white template,, and there is no price line, only plain chart with wrong symbols.

I am applying via indicators for the time being.

Anyone here know the issues and solution, Please

Thanks
  • #79,088
  • Feb 17, 2015 12:40pm Feb 17, 2015 12:40pm
JPY Pairs

Check your own charts. These have been getting the "push up" today. JPY high impact releases coming next AS. Could be the MMs are setting prices higher so they can close residual longs at premium prices and start focusing on building short for some future bear run for profits, which might actually become a trend reversal of the JPY pairs.

Of course, if big banks and hedgies suspect a strengthening of the YEN over weeks and months ahead, they might have placed up high orders to close longs and some "starter" short orders. This would also be a reason for the MMs to manipulate prices upwards now; to earn commissions by filling such orders.

Time will tell.

-tah
  • #79,089
  • Feb 17, 2015 12:43pm Feb 17, 2015 12:43pm
Thanks for the detailed post Tah! You just confirmed some theories I had in my head... the motives of these price spikes and unusual tick volume activity detected. I would like to start sharing charts too, though I usually remove the calendar lol. I hope that is ok?

I will do my best to conform with post #1 tho I do remove some stuff (to make chart look cleaner) and also add fibos or lines Will start submitting "homework" pretty soon. and you are right about the order flow services. signed up for some... and got screwed lol. like what served as historic support suddenly becomes nothing for the fall in EURUSD (no bounce?).

ps: usually I would also look at volume indicator to gauge if we are approaching high liquidity previous S/R, what you would call accumulation/distribution zones. if no notable activity there = lack of liquidity and price will keep moving likely to find the next zone to pick up orders/run stops

Quoting traderathome
{quote} Why Do MMs Manipulate Price and What do Notable Volumes Tell Us? MMs push price up or down for two reasons: to get price to where there are lots of orders to be filled (seeking commissions for doing so), and to make a profit on positions they themselves built in anticipation of such a push. Where are the likely areas they might push price to? Just look at historic prices and see where are the key S&R areas and the key consolidation areas. Some call these S&R areas Demand & Supply areas. Are they? It depends on if there currently is supply/demand...
  • #79,090
  • Feb 17, 2015 12:44pm Feb 17, 2015 12:44pm
Quoting BatmanJr
Hello Sonicers, I have a problem with My MT4 platform. I can't install Sonic template for several months. MT4 could not detect the sonic template. Whenever every chart window open and select the Sonic template 2014/13, it shows me USDCAD in black template and GBPUSD in white template,, and there is no price line, only plain chart with wrong symbols. I am applying via indicators for the time being. Anyone here know the issues and solution, Please Thanks
Dude, relax. Did you download the indicators and place them in the correct folder too? The template will not work if you didnt do that. Alternatively you can do what I did and just manually drag the indicators 1 by 1 (the one I downloaded had 6 btw) into the chart

ps: alternatively, why not just save the ones you dragged onto chart as a template and apply it to your other pairs? saves time
  • #79,091
  • Feb 17, 2015 12:50pm Feb 17, 2015 12:50pm
Quoting traderathome
Sonic R. System Example - First wave not in LS. High risk of going nowhere and even reversing. - Second wave in LS. Entry after classic breakout at break of previous significant high. - Third wave in LS. Entry after pullback to support as price breaks up and passes thru a local SR level. Could wait longer, for price to break past the last high. And note the difference in the Dragon angles. And note when the Dragon got over on the right side of the Trend line. Remember too, there can be stop hunts. The biggest ones tend to be in the LS and in the...
Perfect explanation, no more nesesary, i will read it many times.

TY professor
  • #79,092
  • Feb 17, 2015 12:53pm Feb 17, 2015 12:53pm
Quoting MaryAnne
{quote} Dude, relax. Did you download the indicators and place them in the correct folder too? The template will not work if you didnt do that. Alternatively you can do what I did and just manually drag the indicators 1 by 1 (the one I downloaded had 6 btw) into the chart ps: alternatively, why not just save the ones you dragged onto chart as a template and apply it to your other pairs? saves time
OMG I was working as an IT technician. Thanks for your advice. I have done severally as much as I can. Folder to folder, and even from MetaEditor box.

But I am trading with Advanced MT4 platform recently downloaded. With MT4 installed for a year had faced that but I could have been correct the issue and this time I can't.


That is not me alone. One of my friend had faced that for previous months. However Thank you.
  • #79,093
  • Feb 17, 2015 12:58pm Feb 17, 2015 12:58pm
Quoting BatmanJr
Hello Sonicers, I have a problem with My MT4 platform. I can't install Sonic template for several months. MT4 could not detect the sonic template. Whenever every chart window open and select the Sonic template 2014/13, it shows me USDCAD in black template and GBPUSD in white template,, and there is no price line, only plain chart with wrong symbols. I am applying via indicators for the time being. Anyone here know the issues and solution, Please Thanks
Read My Signature!

BatmanJr,

Nobody else is having a problem. In the past, all those that did have problems were exclusively those that did not do their Post #1 homework, which includes both reading and following instructions. For example, from Post #1.......

Latest Templates/Indicators (2014 Release)
The zip file at the bottom of this post contains the indicators/templates. See HERE for overview and instructions, and read a user guide HERE. Be sure your MT4 is upgraded to at least Build 600 because our new indicators take advantage of new MQL4 code that will not run on previous MT4 versions! Be sure the indicators go into the MQL4/Indicators folder. Access this folder from the opened MT4 platform by clicking on File/Open Data Folder/MQL4/Indicators. If your operating system is Windows 7 or 8 and you have difficulty with the indicators/templates, right click on MT4 icon -> properties -> compatibility win xp sp3. Follow the instructions in the releasing post and read the User Notes at the top of the code of each indicator. That is how, and that is where, you will learn about the features and use of the indicators. The User Notes are sort of a manual for each indicator and a lot of work went into providing them so you can learn what you need to know. So do your homework and read what has been provided instead of asking questions. Do not be surprised if you are ignored when asking a question that would already be answered if you had followed these instructions. We are traders here. We do not have time to "spoon feed". Warning #1: anyone who repeatedly asks questions that indicate they have not done their "homework" here, will be expelled from the thread.

Please take note of the last sentence, which I have highlighted since your questions all point to the same lack of diligence in doing the required homework here. I apologize if I am wrong about this, but I do not think I am.


-tah
  • #79,094
  • Feb 17, 2015 12:58pm Feb 17, 2015 12:58pm
Quoting BatmanJr
{quote} OMG I was working as an IT technician. Thanks for your advice. I have done severally as much as I can. Folder to folder, and even from MetaEditor box. That is not me alone. One of my friend had faced that for previous months. However Thank you.
LOL! No problems man, glad to help
do let your friend know the "fix" too.

ps: basically, the template as I've seen is basically just a combination of all the 6 indicators into 1 chart which can be easily applied to any currency pair (to save u time). So... you could actually make your own if the template wont load, by manually combining all 6 into 1 chart and creating that template
  • #79,095
  • Feb 17, 2015 1:08pm Feb 17, 2015 1:08pm
Quoting MaryAnne
{quote} LOL! No problems man, glad to help do let your friend know the "fix" too. ps: basically, the template as I've seen is basically just a combination of all the 6 indicators into 1 chart which can be easily applied to any currency pair (to save u time). So... you could actually make your own if the template wont load, by manually combining all 6 into 1 chart and creating that template
Building Own Template? Why?

Great care must be taken to duplicate the exact order of adding indicators, and to set all other chart properties according to the specifications required by the indicators. Most will not do this correctly because they are too lazy to learn all that is involved. They mistakenly think it is a simple matter.

It is a complex matter. No user should attempt to fabricate their own template because of this complexity. If you fabricate, you will likely discover at some point that something is not displaying as it should. To prevent you from wasting your time - and ending up doing things wrong - is why the templates are provided.

-tah
  • #79,096
  • Feb 17, 2015 1:21pm Feb 17, 2015 1:21pm
Agreed, though if they were still having problems I thought it could help them out.
And yes, we must tick the .dll files etc and ensure everything is there.

Quoting traderathome
{quote} Building Own Template? Why? Great care must be taken to duplicate the exact order of adding indicators, and to set all other chart properties according to the specifications required by the indicators. Most will not do this correctly because they are too lazy to learn all that is involved. They mistakenly think it is a simple matter. It is a complex matter. No user should attempt to fabricate their own template because of this complexity. If you fabricate, you will likely discover at some point that something is not displaying as it should....
  • #79,097
  • Edited 11:27pm Feb 17, 2015 1:26pm | Edited 11:27pm
Ok dont know if this is correct but here's the analysis for GU today.

Noticed price ups were usually done with decreasing volume while price downs were done with increasing volumes, suggesting bear... currently price lurking around the half number and no notable volume detected tho dragon below the line leaning more to bear again. Then again UK is closed, so I put pending sell order above near the white trendline in case price spikes up there again. Will review again in the morning

ps: the template works fine for me except the words jumble up a bit on access panel but everything else is working.

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  • #79,098
  • Feb 17, 2015 2:08pm Feb 17, 2015 2:08pm
Quoting MaryAnne
Agreed, though if they were still having problems I thought it could help them out. And yes, we must tick the .dll files etc and ensure everything is there. {quote}

I just made MT4 icon Right click>properties> XP SP3 slected and run MT4 again.

It shows me like this This is USDJPY chart but GBPUSD symbols. 2009/10 templates were okay. Only with 2013/14. May be MT4 issues.

But I'm okay and I will be a little busy tonight adding Sonic indicator on some charts
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  • #79,099
  • Feb 17, 2015 2:12pm Feb 17, 2015 2:12pm
Quoting Mauro-J
{quote} AUD/JPY Long trade closed {image}
Ditto , had no time to post earlier AUDJPY M15 Classic long +47 pips
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USDJPY M15 Classic long +35pips
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Target for a week reached. Massive move though , could hold longer
Man lie, woman lie, numbers don't
  • #79,100
  • Feb 17, 2015 2:16pm Feb 17, 2015 2:16pm
Quoting BatmanJr
{quote} I just made MT4 icon Right click>properties> XP SP3 slected and run MT4 again. It shows me like this This is USDJPY chart but GBPUSD symbols. 2009/10 templates were okay. Only with 2013/14. May be MT4 issues. But I'm okay and I will be a little busy tonight adding Sonic indicator on some charts {image}
Did you try the black set? for some reason, I got the same error only on the white set but works fine with the black template. And since I prefer the black anyway, I stuck with it. Do give it a shot

ps: Windows 7 on this computer too and updated MT4 to the latest build. Try the black one and see how it goes. U do realise you can always change the background and other colors if you want later, right?
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