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  • #78,261
  • Jan 6, 2015 7:50am Jan 6, 2015 7:50am
USDCAD Long Trade Open:

M15 setup.
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  • #78,262
  • Jan 6, 2015 8:02am Jan 6, 2015 8:02am
Quoting hmatar
tah I am reading and re-reading. But tah, applying is a different scenario. I am only asking on this forum just to accept my understanding of what I have read. again, I guess I shall try to learn by practice and not share my questions on this forum if it seems to bother. hmatar
Accomplish Post #1 Homework and Read the Text Book

As has been stated countless times, this thread is the text book for the Sonic R. System. Over the years we have standardized our posting requirements so those studying - reading to learn - will have well presented trade examples to learn from. We excel over all other FF threads in our efforts to best help others. Now it is your turn to do your part. Do the reading and the studying of examples of trades posted - some good and some bad - because that is what they are here for.

You are not alone in starting off with questions. Doing the Post #1 homework eliminates most of them. Reading the thread should take care of the rest. If every new individual expected others here to answer every one of their questions, it would be impossible for anyone here to get any trading done.

-tah
  • #78,263
  • Jan 6, 2015 8:15am Jan 6, 2015 8:15am
UJ long scalp +5.7 on bounce from whole number. My little scalping ATM today......total +16.9 on S & R quarter and half number bounces building prior to run long IMO.

Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • #78,264
  • Edited 10:22am Jan 6, 2015 9:42am | Edited 10:22am
Do not ride the loss, but ride the "green"

GBPUSD
Live example, how I manage to cut the red fast at 3rd re-entry. Yes it is Counter trend on 3rd entry. But the scout setup is failed, and I cut it fast. I hope, this will bring enlightment to you all, do not waste each price movement by holding looser position. Cut and switch, ASAP, and get gain ASAP. Your precious time is too expensive by waiting a red position getting bigger and bigger. Earn the money by sacrifice a little.
Regards,
-GP-

PS : Prof, Suddenly it works... Yay... I can edit the post again via chrome...
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  • #78,265
  • Jan 6, 2015 10:34am Jan 6, 2015 10:34am
Quoting traderathome
NZDUSD Long Trade Open: M15 setup. No TP/SL at this time. I agree with forexTN14 that this could go to the upper whole number/RWH area (just like AUDUSD). {image}
NZDUSD Long Trade Closed:

Closed for gain of 60.3 pips average, 120.5 pips total gain. At the open of the US session, the MMs ran the price up a bit and then executed a stop hunt on longs. I added to the trade at that time.
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  • #78,266
  • Jan 6, 2015 10:41am Jan 6, 2015 10:41am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} NZDUSD Long Trade Closed: Closed for gain of 60.3 pips average, 120.5 pips total gain. At the open of the US session, the MMs ran the price up a bit and then executed a stop hunt on longs. I added to the trade at that time. {image}
Bravo... That's great prof...
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  • #78,267
  • Jan 6, 2015 10:43am Jan 6, 2015 10:43am
Quoting traderathome
USDCAD Long Trade Open: M15 setup. {image}
USDCAD Long Trade Closed:

Closed for gain of 25.2 pips average, 101 pips total gain. At the open of the US session the MMs ran the price up, sucking in longs, and then executed a stop hunt of longs. I added on the first retrace of the initial run up, again after the stop hunt and finally when the price broke thru HOD (High of Day).
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  • #78,268
  • Edited 11:42am Jan 6, 2015 11:23am | Edited 11:42am
Quoting traderathome
GBPJPY Long Trade Open: M5 setup. No hard TP/SL at this time, but the PVT area is a tentative early TP. {image}
GBPJPY Long Trade Closed:

Closed for loss of 456.5 pips average, 4565 pips total loss. Okay, this is a huge mistake on my part, the "Let the Losers Ride" syndrome still haunting me.

But, Gupito's demonstrations of dealing with a "red" trade will save me!

Seriously, I let this one get way out of hand. It has eaten up most of my 4622.5 pips profit for the week so far. I am being deservedly punished for not coming to grips with a trade that gets red. This was "managed" (if you can call it that) based on anticipations, not the reality that was clearly shown day by day on the chart!

Well, it is done now. Time to start over. And with fuller appreciation for how dangerous is anticipation.

If there is any consolation prize here, it is this,......I am now losing more money because of myself than because of the MMs!
So, if I just got rid of myself, then I would stop losing money altogether! I know it is convoluted thinking, but it should work. Right?
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  • #78,269
  • Jan 6, 2015 11:26am Jan 6, 2015 11:26am
Done for the day.......

Stay Green my friends!

Cigarguy
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  • #78,270
  • Jan 6, 2015 11:36am Jan 6, 2015 11:36am
Quoting cigarguy
Done for the day....... Stay Green my friends! Cigarguy {image}
Yeah,.....easy for you to say, sitting there with your green bottle of spirits!
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  • #78,271
  • Jan 6, 2015 12:07pm Jan 6, 2015 12:07pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} GBPJPY Long Trade Closed: Closed for loss of 456.5 pips average, 4565 pips total loss. Okay, this is a huge mistake on my part, the "Let the Losers Ride" syndrome still haunting me. But, Gupito's demonstrations of dealing with a "red" trade will save me! Seriously, I let this one get way out of hand. It has eaten up most of my 4622.5 pips profit for the week so far. I am being deservedly...
Sorry..may i know why u take that trade?base on lower tf? I bet that is not classic entry..
FXerha
  • #78,272
  • Jan 6, 2015 12:11pm Jan 6, 2015 12:11pm
Quoting FXerha
{quote} Sorry..may i know why u take that trade?base on lower tf? I bet that is not classic entry..
Why don't you try reading the trade initiation post. You lose your bet! The trade initiation was okay. The ongoing trade execution/management was not.
  • #78,273
  • Jan 6, 2015 12:36pm Jan 6, 2015 12:36pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Why don't you try reading the trade initiation post. You lose your bet! The trade initiation was okay. The ongoing trade execution/management was not.
Oh i just realized..im not reading the describtion + i read through a small android (mistakenly saw and assume it was a +ve trade)..sorry then..And may i ask if we had a buy trade by scout but then later a sell classic appear during -ve pips on scout..do we close the trade?
FXerha
  • #78,274
  • Jan 6, 2015 1:07pm Jan 6, 2015 1:07pm
Here you go man !! lets hope its not just luck & i have actually learnt something here after all these days :)
Be the change that you want to change
  • #78,275
  • Edited 1:42pm Jan 6, 2015 1:18pm | Edited 1:42pm
Quoting FXerha
{quote} Oh i just realized..im not reading the describtion + i read through a small android (mistakenly saw and assume it was a +ve trade)..sorry then..And may i ask if we had a buy trade by scout but then later a sell classic appear during -ve pips on scout..do we close the trade?
First, trade is a matter how well we protect our asset. That's the key. But then, question came up, How? All of trader fall into this crucial moment, and that moment are "hoping". We all hate loosing money. But ancient wisdom from east said that; "if you can't let go the small one, then the big one will not come to you". It means, because we love so much for our asset, we can't let go the rubbish position, assuming, hoping, thinking, over analyze, that somehow, it will be back soon. Yes it will be back, but in a matter of time, and your asset value, can it hold the rubbish? Most trader loss, why? Because they can't accept loss. Market react and slap the face of trader that can accept the reality, that you made a mistake, cut, or being forgotten that you have earn some from market. Look at this example
Quoting Gupito1508
Do not ride the loss, but ride the "green" GBPUSD Live example, how I manage to cut the red fast at 3rd re-entry. Yes it is Counter trend on 3rd entry. But the scout setup is failed, and I cut it fast. I hope, this will bring enlightment to you all, do not waste each price movement by holding looser position. Cut and switch, ASAP, and get gain ASAP. Your precious time is too expensive by waiting a red position getting bigger and bigger. Earn the money by sacrifice a little. Regards, -GP- PS : Prof, Suddenly it works... Yay... I can edit the post...
and today, I've warn somebody to take care about their position.

Quoting Gupito1508
{quote} Maybe. But right now, you got to protect your equity. And, one sure thing, use the trade level indicator, and disable the metatrader trade level. There are purpose for doing that, first, anybody that trade using 100 regular lotsize at one shot each position do not seems so great here, but those who trade 0.01 will have the equal look. The pipcount is matter, but the lotsize must be hide, let the other trader that using small capital can enjoy and read too, without any hard feeling. Regards, -GP-
This is just small amount of pips. Really? Yes, it only swing from the top of daily high, and goes lower. I did not catch all of pip that market provide today, but, let's learn from the warn I thrown here, the volume, is an enthusiasm level into certain direction. If, the tick goes wildy high enthusiasm into lower direction, why you wait to cut it? Save your time, by cut, and follow the herd. MM did nothing wrong with their transaction. We did wrong by let the red goes big and did not catch anything for green. Do not bet with the market, you will always loss, because since the beginning, market always wrong, and that's why we trade it.

Prof TAH mentioned about dillema

Quoting traderathome
{quote} You are asking me if, for example, a Scout short is red and a classic long forms up, which would I have confidence in. Frankly, it would depend on everything I could assess from the chart at the time. And even then we cannot know how price will move next. The scout could be closed and later you see it should not have been. Or, it could be kept open.....wait and see.....and see later it should have been closed. Your question goes to the dilemma all traders face, which is if we cannot know - not for all the indicators, EAs, personal experience, or whatever - how price will move next, then how can we ever be successful at trading? And I think Gupito is working at helping us to understand the answer to that question. -tah
and my answer is simple, since the position is open, it already loser. It loser until market prove it right. But then how if after you cut in red, price goes into the direction you already cut? It's okay. Sure, it's okay, because you still have ammunition to continue your trade. But, in case not, you're saved by your fast reaction to cut early. Look at my position on GBP today. The first and second trade, is the same direction. Why I cut the first? It just because I anticipate the price reverse back and I earn nothing. But then I saw, crowd, with highly enthusiasm level, push it down again. I jump again. That's why a pause and reasses into price needed. Both in green and red.

So now, Sonic System not only teach how to read the market, but Sonic teach the student of market, how to loss best. How to master the loss. How to love the loss, is the key to survive. But how? The word of E-X-E-C-U-T-I-O-N will made you understand. And for sure, no demo. The other teach you to try demo first. Yes, it only for test ride with the quote speed from the broker. But to test and learn yourself into market, put a money on it, and you'll see and learn how to spend as low as possible pipcount. One good tip, trade lightly when you still learn. After you understand how to loss best, then you can trade with a full lotsize anytime you jump in. Then how to train? One position only, no average, no add, no hedge. Just green, or red. While it red, cut before it big enough. While it green, hold as long as the price roll, and punch it to the max.

Regards,
-GP-

Ps: It easy to say, but hard to do.
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  • #78,276
  • Edited 2:52pm Jan 6, 2015 1:22pm | Edited 2:52pm
Quoting FXerha
{quote} Oh i just realized..im not reading the describtion + i read through a small android (mistakenly saw and assume it was a +ve trade)..sorry then..And may i ask if we had a buy trade by scout but then later a sell classic appear during -ve pips on scout..do we close the trade?
How can we know what to do, when we know that we cannot know anything for sure?

You are asking me if, for example, a Scout short is red and a classic long forms up, which would I have confidence in. Frankly, it would depend on everything I could assess from the chart at the time. And even then I could not know how price will move next. The scout could be closed and later we see it should not have been. Or, it could be kept open.....wait and see.....and later we see it should have been closed. Your question goes to the dilemma all traders face, which is if we cannot know - not for all the indicators, EAs, personal experience, or whatever - how price will move next, then how can we ever be successful at trading?

This is a business based on odds. We need an edge, our system. Beyond that, it is protect the trading capital.

Our System, "Let the Dragon and PA show the way" - Master Sonicdeejay


Dragon angle up "/" and PA above Dragon = bullish

Dragon angle down "\" and PA below Dragon = bearish

Anything different = bullshit beware!


And I think Gupito is working at helping us to understand the manner in which protecting the trading capital is to be accomplished - Trade Execution - truly the most important aspect of trading and the least well described, no matter where you go.

Speaking for myself, I recognize I need more help in this area than do most traders. For years I have suffered from poor trade execution. I think perhaps God Himself might have brought Gupito to this thread to explain in as many ways as he can, and to reinforce with as many real trade examples as he encounters, what so many of us have waited so long to see demonstrated.

-tah
  • #78,277
  • Jan 6, 2015 2:02pm Jan 6, 2015 2:02pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} You are asking me if, for example, a Scout short is red and a classic long forms up, which would I have confidence in. Frankly, it would depend on everything I could assess from the chart at the time. And even then we cannot know how price will move next. The scout could be closed and later we see it should not have been. Or, it could be kept open.....wait and see.....and later we see it should have been closed. Your question goes to the dilemma all traders face, which is if we cannot know - not for all the indicators, EAs, personal experience,...
the "bullshit" part made me laugh...
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  • #78,278
  • Jan 6, 2015 3:57pm Jan 6, 2015 3:57pm
Quoting forexTN14
NU long trade open: post classic M15, many long activity. TP/SL 1:1 they might push the price below whole number but half number seems to be a nice zone, too. {image} Additional Trade: If long hits TP @ ~ 0.78, and 0.78 stands stable we should see a fall to ~ .767 Sell limit @ 0.78 TP 0.77 SL 0.782
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if someone is still in the trade, HOLD the short till 0.77, i close the wrong trade ...

total + 800 pips
  • #78,279
  • Jan 6, 2015 6:15pm Jan 6, 2015 6:15pm
Quoting lzhcz
today ,this is my long trade . comments are welcome .thank you {image}
Excellent entry.100% Classic ! Well done ! It's my opinion...
  • #78,280
  • Jan 6, 2015 6:39pm Jan 6, 2015 6:39pm
Quoting Gupito1508
{quote} First, trade is a matter how well we protect our asset. That's the key. But then, question came up, How? All of trader fall into this crucial moment, and that moment are "hoping". We all hate loosing money. But ancient wisdom from east said that; "if you can't let go the small one, then the big one will not come to you". It means, because we love so much for our asset, we can't let go the rubbish position, assuming, hoping, thinking, over analyze, that somehow, it will be back soon. Yes it will be back, but in a matter of time, and your...
it is instructive ....., and this is my weakness
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