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  • #26,241
  • Dec 18, 2014 9:00pm Dec 18, 2014 9:00pm
Subscribed. Thanks all for your awesome setup contributions and educational comments on vsa, all thoroughly appreciated.

Im new to vsa and developing my strategy on the H4 and daily charts and learning from Anna Coulling and Tom William's work on VSA.

I am being swayed towards Market Profile and Auction Market Theory. I know this a vsa thread but I'd thoroughly appreciate any guiding comments on whether vsa and amt can work in synergy, especially on the higher time frames.

I thought an MP indicator on the H1 could be useful when looking for entry points on the H4 and even daily. Heh, could be wrong though!

Any thoughts would be great!
  • #26,242
  • Dec 19, 2014 2:32am Dec 19, 2014 2:32am
Quoting TEB63
{quote} whatever works for you ... I think we can predict TP zones of the pros to a goodly degree -esp if we are not pigs. TEB
If you can mate, you're a better trader than I!
  • #26,243
  • Dec 19, 2014 8:02am Dec 19, 2014 8:02am
there was talk before about the pro's watching the spot market to trade futures.
I was re-read the master of the market last night
this is what says

cheers
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  • #26,244
  • Dec 20, 2014 6:54pm Dec 20, 2014 6:54pm
this is awesome, glad you guys are still using vsa, now i finally have someone to discuss trades with
Don't focus on loss.. Study your winnings and learn from them.
  • #26,245
  • Dec 21, 2014 5:56am Dec 21, 2014 5:56am
Quoting olambeth
Subscribed. Thanks all for your awesome setup contributions and educational comments on vsa, all thoroughly appreciated. Im new to vsa and developing my strategy on the H4 and daily charts and learning from Anna Coulling and Tom William's work on VSA. I am being swayed towards Market Profile and Auction Market Theory. I know this a vsa thread but I'd thoroughly appreciate any guiding comments on whether vsa and amt can work in synergy, especially on the higher time frames. I thought an MP indicator on the H1 could be useful when looking for entry...
I can help you to make an EA//Robot on your ideas. Me myself Im writing code to trade market profile and VSA together.

Just send me a private msg or add me to skype: luis_arti(Switzerland)

Greetings
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #26,246
  • Dec 21, 2014 12:17pm Dec 21, 2014 12:17pm
Quoting BeLikeWater
{quote} I can help you to make an EA//Robot on your ideas. Me myself Im writing code to trade market profile and VSA together. Just send me a private msg or add me to skype: luis_arti(Switzerland) Greetings
VSA is not about EA.
Trading 24/h
  • #26,247
  • Dec 21, 2014 2:25pm Dec 21, 2014 2:25pm
Quoting BeLikeWater
{quote} I can help you to make an EA//Robot on your ideas. Me myself Im writing code to trade market profile and VSA together. Just send me a private msg or add me to skype: luis_arti(Switzerland) Greetings

why would you do both?
  • #26,248
  • Dec 24, 2014 8:06am Dec 24, 2014 8:06am
S&P interesting
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  • #26,249
  • Edited 10:13pm Dec 25, 2014 10:01pm | Edited 10:13pm
Quoting Trotty
{quote} Hi Teb. I wasn't denegrating tick volume at all. I agree, when you consider what it represents, it's hugely significant and if you're trading without it, you're tying one hand behind your back. Hence why I am now finally, fully embracing it. It's the nearest a retail trader will ever get to having some kind of insight into the order flow. I have heard and read many detractors of tick volume in Forex, i've learned to ignore them. They simply cannot have studied how it works if they believe it doesn't hold valuable information for the trader....


I missed this post sorry,


Why is Tick Volume better in the spot market and likely the Currency futures

1st - You need to understand Currencies are different from most all other things you can trade
ie. in VSA you have different rules and patterns to trade short. This makes senses if you are trading Oil or Apple or the S&P.
But for cash up for one currency is down for the other so to short is the same in currencies as to go long .
You Need to understand this!!!!

2nd - Reason Tick I believe is way better is simple (again this is for spot and future cash only)
Most trades are between banks: So if you use normal volume you can have BIG issues.
Ie. USD /CAD is traded for 10 million Dollars at that price point you will have a massive spike in volume (two times as both sides get hit) on one trade but price did not move. But Tick volume would be one tick (or none). Now was that one trade based on market issues or was it because a bank was bringing home cash after the Christmas vacation season or maybe GM is hedging its new car line or Apple has its profits coming back to the USA. – These 3 illustrations have nothing to do with the market.
- You see in the stock market volume is straight forward. Someone wanted stock and so bought a great deal of stock.
- In the cash market its not so simple. so in Cash I want transactions not just one to confirm the market move.
- In the stock market which is a much smaller market one trade may change the trend- not so the cash market.

Again having said this, there is well over a 90% correlation to both kinds.
But I think Tick is truer and you will not be faked out as likely by a GM hedge of the 2016 (LOL) car line.

I hope this is helpful

Cheers
  • #26,250
  • Dec 26, 2014 3:08pm Dec 26, 2014 3:08pm
Quoting TEB63
{quote} where was the transfer bar?
Hello TEB63

What is transfer bar?
The Market pays you to be disciplined
  • #26,251
  • Dec 27, 2014 9:20am Dec 27, 2014 9:20am
Quoting mima
{quote} Hello TEB63 What is transfer bar?



transfer bar
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  • #26,252
  • Dec 27, 2014 4:26pm Dec 27, 2014 4:26pm
Quoting TEB63
{quote} transfer bar {image}

Thank you. I never seen such thing on chart. What is role of that Transfer Bar?
The Market pays you to be disciplined
  • #26,253
  • Dec 27, 2014 8:08pm Dec 27, 2014 8:08pm
TB- are one of the strongest signs
- its as it says a Transfer over a big area of the chart on high or climatic volume
Chart enclosed- is from a posting a few weeks ago - price dropped as it should after one of these bars

I hope it helps

cheers

TEB63
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  • #26,254
  • Dec 27, 2014 9:50pm Dec 27, 2014 9:50pm
Quoting TEB63
TB- are one of the strongest signs - its as it says a Transfer over a big area of the chart on high or climatic volume Chart enclosed- is from a posting a few weeks ago - price dropped as it should after one of these bars I hope it helps cheers TEB63 {image}
Thank you. It helps...I did not have name for it, mystery resolved .....
The Market pays you to be disciplined
  • #26,255
  • Dec 31, 2014 4:38am Dec 31, 2014 4:38am
Quoting FxAndres
{quote} VSA is not about EA.
Ok man
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #26,256
  • Dec 31, 2014 4:38am Dec 31, 2014 4:38am
Quoting TEB63
{quote} why would you do both?
Every pair has something in common, you just have to search it.
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #26,257
  • Dec 31, 2014 10:18am Dec 31, 2014 10:18am
Quoting BeLikeWater
{quote} Every pair has something in common, you just have to search it.

that was not my question

why do both system?
seems like its all the same info 2X

just my two cents
  • #26,258
  • Jan 3, 2015 12:47pm Jan 3, 2015 12:47pm
I wonder if someone might help answer two question.

The first one is what is the reverse to a hidden up thrust called? I do not see a hidden down thrust anywhere.
The second question I have is, is a hidden up thrust the same thing as an inside bar? if not how is it different?

Thank You

William
  • #26,259
  • Jan 3, 2015 4:37pm Jan 3, 2015 4:37pm
Quoting TEB63
{quote} that was not my question why do both system? seems like its all the same info 2X just my two cents
I dont think they are the same info. But if you see them like that good
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #26,260
  • Jan 5, 2015 3:42am Jan 5, 2015 3:42am
About Market Profile & VSA. I trade with a bunch of MP traders & they are very good. However, whenever they get stuck they ask me to do an analysis for them. VSA/Wyckoff analysis always proves to be correct in their "blind spots". Many times we agree on potential for entries & we all benefit.
One of our group is also a robot wizard.. He is trying to get me to give him some good VSA signals to add to his robot, the problem is that they would be mechanical entry signals & not AI (artificial Intelligence) signals. We have agreed to use the "bot" as a scalper ie. scalp 10 pips & then exit. It is successful over a 24 hour period but I looked at his latest results, after a great start it has now tanked with a very strong drawdown over similar time period ie. a couple of days (over a week).
VSA is discressionary in decision making, so this is going to take a while before we get it right.. if ever..
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