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  • #801
  • Dec 4, 2014 6:42pm Dec 4, 2014 6:42pm
Hello everyone.......Did not have the time to be around but I see everything is going smooth......that is good news.....
Common stop picking at DB......the truth comes out sooner or later.....if he is for real he will prove it if he is not it
will not last.....
I am sure there are proven scammers with proof out there ��

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  • #802
  • Dec 4, 2014 7:19pm Dec 4, 2014 7:19pm
Quoting trader34
{quote} I don't know Eitan. I have followed SMRI with interest at first, which then died when I read further. What strikes me is the following: Despite his threads, and apparently successful systems...he nor any members on threads have ever showed any signs of consistent gains using the systems. SMRI for one is still being optimised. It's far from a complete system. Any time Eitan's name is mentioned in a slightly negative way, a flock of people come forward to viciously defend him, and attempt to suspend those who dare question him. Can you see...
Sometimes I like to think that Eitan is Jacko, back to suck money out of suckers.

You want a trade explorer.... well early this summer he had one, and guess what, he went bust. He has a very risky system and doesnt want to post a trade explorer because he knows the it wont last. Vigosky too had an explorer, as matter of fact many explorers, and none of them lasted very long.

If you ever try to bring those fact on his thread, he will block you and you wont be able to reply. Thats why he has the biggest ignore list on this forum, blocking anyone who complain or ask for proof while at the same time keep people ignorant of the risk or inefficiency of his system.
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  • #803
  • Dec 4, 2014 7:23pm Dec 4, 2014 7:23pm

Quoting 4xPIPAHOLIC
Hello everyone.......Did not have the time to be around but I see everything is going smooth......that is good news..... Common stop picking at DB......the truth comes out sooner or later.....if he is for real he will prove it if he is not it will not last..... I am sure there are proven scammers with proof out there �� 4x
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  • #804
  • Edited 7:45pm Dec 4, 2014 7:27pm | Edited 7:45pm
Quoting trader34
{quote} I don't know Eitan. I have followed SMRI with interest at first, which then died when I read further. What strikes me is the following: Despite his threads, and apparently successful systems...he nor any members on threads have ever showed any signs of consistent gains using the systems. SMRI for one is still being optimised. It's far from a complete system. Any time Eitan's name is mentioned in a slightly negative way, a flock of people come forward to viciously defend him, and attempt to suspend those who dare question him. Can you see how this is a little confusing? Shouldn't his results do the talking for him? Not just a few screenshots of apparent success, but a verified tracked TE either here, or MyFxbook. Then, why be concerned with a few naysayers if the results are there? Eitan claimed forward testing of 3 years....It really should be no problem to attach a simple account statement. You have bought his system. I don't know it. I hope it works for you and the others. But are you really surprised that people don't share your optimism? Saying you are considering buying Vigovsky's dashboard further casts doubt on the idea that you have been sold a sold, comprehensive system from Eitan. If Eitan's system is the grail you've been looking for, why bother with anything else? Or, as with SMRI..is it possible that there are so many variables that it becomes a curve fitting exercise, where in any given scenario, conditions are retrospectively analysed to give the optimal results? Entry? PT? SL? Is a 2 hour consultation all you need to trade your way to success in the FX world?! Are all the unsatisfied customers dealt with in the same fashion as MIkiMax? Before the torches are lit, and the mob starts to march...remember this is a simple question! A question that could have been very simply addressed with a long running TE from any one of the apparently profitable methods Eitan has shared for free, or otherwise. I really hope that one person starts a TE, even in Eitan's thread...to back up these bold claims. You must understand that claims of close to 100% win rate is one that will raise the eyebrows of any seasoned trader. Please don't use the "free signal service" excuse as a reason not to post a TE. By all means hide the finer details of your trades.....most people do!! They will not be reversed engineered if you hide the details. But, instead of just with words of how honest the guy is, won't someone please put up some sort of proof that the systems are any good?! If the system wasn't commercial, there would be no issue...but now it is a sold method. Surely some scrutiny other than the good will of his followers is a fair ask!? He may be a wonderful guy...but the fact is, once a person sells something...it is a business transaction, and is therefore subject to scrutiny...and the burden of proof rests with the vendor. The only TE of an Eitan system I found available is the following: http://www.forexfactory.com/sivi/14 Over 86 days, you have to admit that it is not the most compelling!? A little further away from the purported possible gains! Sure..I know...we will hear "he does not understand the system" or some such thing. By all means...show us the way! This is not an attack on anyone... It is only a question. Or series of questions! I look forward to a real answer.
Bolded: i don't think is died at all, some people lost interest, other started their own thread, me it' s busy with other job thing and don't post there so much as in the past..and lastly some using personally modified versions of the SMRI. Nothing strange i believe.
If SMRI can be improved (as everything in the world i believe), well is the nearer system close to a COMPLETE system that i saw around, cause it gives you EVEN precise SL and TP threshold...i don't know what more you can ask for eb a complete system. Some around (even in some successfull thread) abopslutely don't dare to give you this precise point and sometimes neither a PRECISE point of entry...so.... the fact it's not complete well, absolutely false IMHO...improvable for sure (as everything in the world i believe).
If people don't post statement about the gains,well...no one is obliged to do it...in other thread there is plenty of people bragging that have become millionaire using the thread starter system?...mmm...i really doubt it.
And, in the end: you can give a super system to 100 people, in the same market conditions, with the same capital and same everything; only a couple (maybe) will face real success. The perfect system is: good method + you.

Brown text: mmmm....maybe cause people call an honest caring person scammer? Maybe if i would call you scammer you friends would defend you knowing you are not , don't you believe? If people don't like his systems or him personally, well fine , no problem (Albchr for example don't use his system, but this do not mean he call him scammer)...but if someone call him scammer, well...he HAS estimators and FRIENDS. Plain and simple.

Aqua text: i think the reason for the TE not in action is dued to the fact that i explained in a previous post. People always have to bla bla even about what he dont' understand and he don't wanna to deal with this dudes morbidly attracted by a TE (for spitting mud) like butterflies attracted by the fire.If you are a commercial member even worst: when you have bad periods all will start to shout scam scam...really human nature. I don't care if people share my optimism..they can be the more pessimist dudes in the world and this is fine (well, if they like to live this way...), but again calling scammer and other nice names like some here do so lighly, it's another matter.

Green text: who said MRM Eitan system is the holy grail?? (a.k.a invincible, no loss system). The real holy grail do not exist. His system is a great one and i use it (time permitting). I even use it in combination with my personal (private) systems. What's wrong with searching for other things in addiction to that?. If you like pizza, you eat ONLY pizza everyday? Come on, laughable objection. And if you would know a bit the Vigo dashboard, you would know that, as he say in his thread, the dashboard is an INDI to have more valuable informations about the market all in once, NOT a system. I hope you don't know well this thing, so your mistake is just that.. an evaluation mistake. You know...who wanna naysaying always tend to twist a bit the reality cutting surgeonly the real facts to empower his naysaying thesis...

Red text: really do not understand your curve fitting objection. There are precise rules in the system and there is the history of any pair movement for doing BT. Everybody in the system is free (and even welcomed) to do his/her own BT, once understood in a GOOD way the system. Plain and simple. Curve fitting?

Lime text: again:you speculation are plain wrong...what is the meaning of your rethorical question? Of course the answerr is no...so all the systems sold around that neither give you a support EMAIL (or if there is email they do not reply ever)???? For MRM system there is a skype group where Eitan, me and other skilled ones help newbies and everyone and this is priceless, to develop some skill. Eitan use his free time (often on SUNDAY) to give his explanation of the system on skype to his students (you even can do more than one session if you need it). Well, again...i don't really don't know what a human could do more...some ask you to pay monthly subscription to partecipate in forums about the system they sold. But it seems ALL is dued...well... it's like saying that when you buy a car, you ask for a personal driver included, an unlimited money fuel card, free washing, etc....and even if they give some of those you say....mmmmm....not enough, you are a scammer. No words, maybe i come from another planet, who knows...
Regarding the "unsatisfied customers"..for what i know there is only one actually and Eitan always ready to help with personal chat or skype group, unless you are one that in an OPPORTUNISTIC way come here to spit mud after the first bad trade arrived (taken outside some rules even...but he didn't understood the system so...). I am ready to punt my home guessing that if for a month, 2 or more there would be no losing trades, guess what, he would have come here AFTER that time. Well...

Magenta text: already explained about the TE. Sorry it's Eitan decision not to put it online. Take it or leave it. If people don't wanna trust him, well, ok. No problem...don't buy the system....but again and again, if this is synonymous of being a scammer, 90% of people in FF are scammers.
Regarding me, i will think about the TE, but of course...my free choice, not dued..i don't own anything to anyone..less than less many of the people that i am facing in this thread (btw, hiding some details, would ANYWAY, make the more dietrologist arise saying "ye, ok, but there is no XXXX and no YYYY data, so you are tricking the data, you are twisting this and that...etc etc"...not sure if i want to deal with this crap people...i already have enough sometimes JUST of THIS THREAD about negativity )
If others that bought the system, wanna do it (TE)..ok... but the person should be "approved" by Eitan to do so, to be fair....cause if a person that don't know very well how to trade the system put on the TE and lose everything, well, bingo, the Torquemada scam screamers would be released (worst than the Kraken)
  • #805
  • Dec 4, 2014 7:44pm Dec 4, 2014 7:44pm
Quoting Daimari
{quote} Sometimes I like to think that Eitan is Jacko, back to suck money out of suckers. You want a trade explorer.... well early this summer he had one, and guess what, he went bust. He has a very risky system and doesnt want to post a trade explorer because he knows the it wont last. Vigosky too had an explorer, as matter of fact many explorers, and none of them lasted very long. If you ever try to bring those fact on his thread, he will block you and you wont be able to reply. Thats why he has the biggest ignore list on this forum, blocking...
Eitan wants to be Jacko, but he has a long way to go.
Eitan is a small time operator. His language skills are so bad, he has to surround himself with shills and front men.
He can't score a Jacko sized scam that way.
  • #806
  • Dec 4, 2014 7:50pm Dec 4, 2014 7:50pm
Quoting Daimari
{quote} Sometimes I like to think that Eitan is Jacko, back to suck money out of suckers. You want a trade explorer.... well early this summer he had one, and guess what, he went bust. He has a very risky system and doesnt want to post a trade explorer because he knows the it wont last. Vigosky too had an explorer, as matter of fact many explorers, and none of them lasted very long. If you ever try to bring those fact on his thread, he will block you and you wont be able to reply. Thats why he has the biggest ignore list on this forum, blocking...
I think he also ignores everyone who unsubscribes from him Doesn't he?
A little strange to me, but OK...each to their own.

I did hear talk of the TE that went under. Wouldn't be the first I guess.
As I understand, that TE was for SMRI wasn't it? Frankly it doesn't surprise me that a TE using that method didn't perform so well.
There are still people working hard with BT's trying to optimise it to this day, so it seems pretty clear it is not a great standalone method. But, it was a free share, so I guess you get what you pay for eh!?

I'm now more interested in the new, sold method in which claims close to 100% WR, and supposedly he has 3 years of experience with it. Yet seems unwilling to to divulge any backing evidence as a sales pitch.
Supposedly 70 or so customers i think.
Christmas is coming, so I won't expect anything yet, but surely come January we should see a flurry of successful TE's from the happy customers? I hope not everyone will wait for summer! Why not start making the huge gains sooner?

Look, he has his followers for sure, as do many other guys on here (regardless of any evidence of success). But the vitriol they launch at people who criticise him is disturbing to me.

He may be a fantastic person. He may have something to offer in trading terms. I haven't seen it yet, but it doesn't mean it isn't there.
But I can't comprehend the response from him and his friends when someone simply asks for some type of long term evidence.

As a vendor it's just bad business!
Wealth comes from what you keep, not what you earn
  • #807
  • Edited 8:12pm Dec 4, 2014 7:50pm | Edited 8:12pm
Quoting Daimari
{quote}
Sometimes I like to think that Eitan is Jacko, back to suck money out of suckers.
You want a trade explorer.... well early this summer he had one, and guess what, he went bust. He has a very risky system and doesnt want to post a trade explorer because he knows the it wont last. Vigosky too had an explorer, as matter of fact many explorers, and none of them lasted very long.
If you ever try to bring those fact on his thread, he will block you and you wont be able to reply. Thats why he has the biggest ignore list on this forum, blocking anyone who complain or ask for proof while at the same time keep people ignorant of the risk or inefficiency of his system.
Put on YOUR OWN trade explorer instead of badmouthing great person and good traders, ok? So we will see how great you are in trading!
These two guys you are badmouthing, manage probably more money than you ever will see in your life.... again & again ....the crowd shout shout shout
  • #808
  • Dec 4, 2014 7:51pm Dec 4, 2014 7:51pm
Quoting billbss
{quote} Eitan wants to be Jacko, but he has a long way to go. Eitan is a small time operator. His language skills are so bad, he has to surround himself with shills and front men. He can't score a Jacko sized scam that way.
You are the man!
  • #809
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:12pm Dec 4, 2014 8:12pm
1,122 words or Trade Explorer?

Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Bolded: i don't think is died at all, some people lost interest, other started their own thread, me it' s busy with other job thing and don't post there so much as in the past..and lastly some using personally modified versions of the SMRI. Nothing strange i believe. If SMRI can be improved (as everything in the world i believe), well is the nearer system close to a COMPLETE system that i saw around, cause it gives you EVEN precise SL and TP threshold...i don't know what more you can ask for eb a complete system. Some around (even in some...

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  • #810
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:17pm Dec 4, 2014 8:17pm
Quoting SirJack
1,122 words or Trade Explorer? {quote} {image}
The best thing, my friend, is not to deal with most the people in this thread ...
You see trader34 what i tell about people...i reply= no good, i don't reply = scammer friend has nothing to say about it
(no offence intended Sirjack, but it fit perfectly my sentence about even putting on a TE won't make naysayers less "crowd" than how actually are)
  • #811
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:20pm Dec 4, 2014 8:20pm

Quoting cariddi74
{quote} The best thing, my friend, is not to deal with most the people in this thread ... You see trader34 what i tell about people...i reply= no good, i don't reply = scammer friend has nothing to say about it (no offence intended Sirjack, but it fit perfectly my sentence about even putting on a TE won't make naysayers less "crowd" than how actually are)
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  • #812
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:24pm Dec 4, 2014 8:24pm
hey cariddi74 are you trading with my retirement method?

Quoting cariddi74
{quote} The best thing, my friend, is not to deal with most the people in this thread ... You see trader34 what i tell about people...i reply= no good, i don't reply = scammer friend has nothing to say about it (no offence intended Sirjack, but it fit perfectly my sentence about even putting on a TE won't make naysayers less "crowd" than how actually are)
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  • #813
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:26pm Dec 4, 2014 8:26pm
Quoting SirJack
hey cariddi74 are you trading with my retirement method? {quote}
Time permitting , yes.
  • #814
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:28pm Dec 4, 2014 8:28pm
nice I am interested to buy, what is the risk reward or should I talk to eitan1010?
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Time permitting , yes.
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  • #815
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:30pm Dec 4, 2014 8:30pm
Quoting SirJack
nice I am interested to buy, what is the risk reward or should I talk to eitan1010? {quote}
Better talking to Eitan..in the end, he is the creator/vendor of the system
Late here in Italy...GN folks
  • #816
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:32pm Dec 4, 2014 8:32pm
thanks already asked him to ask some questions
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Better talking to Eitan..in the end, he is the creator/vendor of the system Late here in Italy...GN folks
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  • #817
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:33pm Dec 4, 2014 8:33pm
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Put on YOUR OWN trade explorer instead of badmouthing great person and good traders, ok? So we will see how great you are in trading! These two guys you are badmouthing, manage probably more money than you ever will see in your life.... again & again ....the crowd shout shout shout
Looks like someone is angry

You are a good sheep. Now go back to your master ....
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  • #818
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:37pm Dec 4, 2014 8:37pm
its retirement - not retirment, or is it misspelled intentionally

if the OP won't (not can't) use the Trade explorer then logic says there must be a reason behind it
nor does he care less about not being able to spell retirement,
and lets not forget this is for his "retairment" not yours

its obvious its a semi scam (if not a full scam) - ie the seller could nt really care less how the system does as he's marketing a product, and once he sees how many saps fall for it, and when it fails he'll reappear under a new user name and sell more saps something else

anyone remember the Absolute Holy grail, out to fleece 10k out of any sap he could find, before the whole thing collapsed and was caught out

EVERYONE SELLING A PRODUCT SHOULD HAVE TO USE A TRADE EXPLORER - OR THEY CAN'T SELL HERE
its very simple,
and FF should also take their cut from the sales
  • #819
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:39pm Dec 4, 2014 8:39pm
Quoting trader34
{quote} I think he also ignores everyone who unsubscribes from him Doesn't he? A little strange to me, but OK...each to their own. I did hear talk of the TE that went under. Wouldn't be the first I guess. As I understand, that TE was for SMRI wasn't it? Frankly it doesn't surprise me that a TE using that method didn't perform so well. There are still people working hard with BT's trying to optimise it to this day, so it seems pretty clear it is not a great standalone method. But, it was a free share, so I guess you get what you pay for eh!? I'm...
3 years my ass! At the moment he said that I knew he was a scammer. I still remember when he had his explorer with 600% of profit, claiming that he had a system and will never sell anything, that he was here to help. Things went against him and he lost everything in that explorer.

The worst thing is not that he is selling, but that 100 of sheep are absolutely convince that he has a working system. If we were to meet these people in person, they would probably kill anyone who said anything against their "Master". Clearly there is nothing we can do here, they will have to learn the hard way.
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  • #820
  • Dec 4, 2014 8:43pm Dec 4, 2014 8:43pm
Quoting cariddi74
{quote} Put on YOUR OWN trade explorer instead of badmouthing great person and good traders, ok? So we will see how great you are in trading! These two guys you are badmouthing, manage probably more money than you ever will see in your life.... again & again ....the crowd shout shout shout
By the way genius, why dont you open a trade explorer. You know show us how wrong we are
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