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  • #77,661
  • Nov 20, 2014 4:16am Nov 20, 2014 4:16am
Thoughts on Trading

Sonicers,

I post this pic because it reveals the true nature of the market. That nature is that it is controlled by Robber Banks who make the market, and they are thieves who will manipulate prices whenever they choose to do so in order to steal money from others and use it to pad their own positions they are building.

I saw this suddenly drop before the LS. I set the FR Study as shown. Look what these MMs did with the price! Whack! Whip! Whack! Whip! After the manipulated spike of the price above the upper whole number yesterday, what do you surmise they are up to today? What is logical? To me, it seems logical they are now bears, and thieving bastards too of course because look how they have so early today already started manipulating the price again. This time to suck in shorters - stop them out - suck them in again - stop them out again - and we can only imagine what the friggin' US MMs are going to be up to today!

You see, trading is not about having corralled your favorite indicators to show you how price is going to move, and drawing nice little trend lines, and planning on price not moving erratically! The manipulation of price by these Robber Banks makes a mockery of all of that nonsense!

As Sonicers, when we have a proper setup, we must in addition always have a plan for such as what happened here, and to know based on how far such manipulations move the price, if we are going to fold, hold, or add. In this case, I started the trade on the first retrace, not expecting it to retrace much. But then, when the friggin' thieves whipped it up again, and it became more clear what these thieves were up to, I decided to wait and add, which I did. As far as I am concerned, this is how we have to do things, to be flexible and play the "game" right alongside of these greedy, thieving bastards.

Now, I could be wrong, have been before, but time and again when I set course to sail setups straight and rigid, shit like this happens! And it instantly reminds me that the market is not straight and rigid, and if I am to win in the market, I have to play just as dirty as they do. This means I have to do my best to get a good read on the "trend" and then be prepared to take advantage of price movement if a setup with the trend gets freaked over by these price manipulating bastards that are looking to steal everybody's money before they get on with the same trade for their own profit.
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  • #77,662
  • Nov 20, 2014 4:19am Nov 20, 2014 4:19am
EA SHORT
AU LONG
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  • #77,663
  • Nov 20, 2014 4:29am Nov 20, 2014 4:29am
USDCAD:

This still seems bearish to me. And the high volume whip above the half number followed by an even higher volume whacking sort of confirms it, as far as I am concerned. And ahead of three USD high impacts and a CAD too! It looks to me, what with so many hits above the half number yesterday and today, that the MMs are bears closing longs and switching to shorts. That drop yesterday could have been the MMs closing their longs. Then they simply manipulated the price right back up to enhance their short building. Well, lets see how it goes today.
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  • #77,664
  • Nov 20, 2014 5:04am Nov 20, 2014 5:04am
It's a very interesting system. I have a question: Can Sonic R system be used on daily timeframe?
I'm just a beginner and my job doesn't allow me to sit in front of the computer all day.
Thanks for suggestion
  • #77,665
  • Nov 20, 2014 8:15am Nov 20, 2014 8:15am
GJ Short Open:

Classic Setup, M15.

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Update:

connect the highs @M15 for a resistance line & Re-Entry if hits with half position, same SL same TP
  • #77,666
  • Nov 20, 2014 8:46am Nov 20, 2014 8:46am
Quoting traderathome
USDCAD Short Open: Scout entry at half number. There has been the greatest activity earlier today as price twice came down off the highs above the half number. This is a PVSRA indication of bears. Another indication of bears is the fact that the price rose back to the half number as the LS came to a close, which I interpret as the non-US MMs creating a final opportunity for themselves to accumulate short orders ahead of FOMC. My plan for this trade is to build at/above this half number with a target at the half number 100 pips below. The US MMs...
USDCAD Short Closed:

Manually closed for gain of 33.5 pips average, 100.4 pips total.
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  • #77,667
  • Nov 20, 2014 9:13am Nov 20, 2014 9:13am
Quoting forexcompany
It's a very interesting system. I have a question: Can Sonic R system be used on daily timeframe? I'm just a beginner and my job doesn't allow me to sit in front of the computer all day. Thanks for suggestion
forexcompany,

Yes, but why do you ask such a question when you can draw your own pictures, and conclusions?

-tah
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  • #77,668
  • Edited 11:14am Nov 20, 2014 9:35am | Edited 11:14am
EU and GU Comment:

If we were anticipating runs based on USD releases, we are disappointed so far. Yet, EUR has high impact tomorrow. The Robber Banks probably already have their plan well underway; to hike price - close longs - load up shorts - pull the rug at the coming EUR release. Possible? Sure, especially if the MMs suspected everyone would have been planning on the USD releases to amount to some moves, spent their money getting into the market, and are now sitting ducks for stop hunts and with plenty of time to do them!

Well, we cannot know about some of these thing. About how prices will move? No. About these Robber Banks being dastardly price manipulators so they can steal from others? Yes! Absolutely! And it will be carved into their gravestones.

For example, look at EU at the close of the LS,.....all nicely set up for shorters to begin placing more orders......and make them sitting ducks for another stop hunt before the EUR release tomorrow!

-tah
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  • #77,669
  • Edited 12:29pm Nov 20, 2014 11:53am | Edited 12:29pm
Don't Trade Until They Hit the Stops!

Sonicers,

Look at the first pic, posted by feinan back in July. The message is very clear. Be wary of stop hunts whenever considering trading a proper classic setup. Your trade management plan absolutely must take into account the possibility of stop hunting by these Robber Banks. You must have a plan that is based on how far these thieves might manipulate the price against your trade; know when you are going to fold, hold or add. In a worse case scenario, you might be adding right up until the time you decide to fold! That can happen if your judgement of the overall trend is wrong, or now is when these thieves decided to reverse it.

Look at the second pic showing GU. Do you see the similarity? Note the very tops. Are these the results of stop hunts? There is another message that you should very clearly understand. There might be more than one Stop Hunt! At first glance, this second pic denotes there were at least two, right? But look at the intervening PA more closely. Zero down on it. You will see there are actually at least seven! And starting just before the LS today, these thieves have executed four of them to suck in shorts and then stop them out! Four! In just one LS!

So, abiding by the "Don't Trade Until They Hit the Stops!" instruction becomes more difficult than it first seemed to be. How do we know they will hit stops? That is a pretty sure bet, considering these Robber Banks are greedy, thieving bastards. But, how do we know there will be more than one? How do we know how many there will be? We can't know the answer to these other questions. These thieves will do whatever it takes to steal from others when they see big profits ahead in doing so.

These Robber Banks are practically unlimited in their control of and ability to manipulate price. How many times they stick it to traders, and to what degree is limited only by how much money they can throw into the pot and how much greed they have to do so. Remember this, if these big banks can issue credit for thousands of dollars to hundreds of millions of people, they will surely issue to themselves whatever credit it takes to accomplish their price manipulations. As for greed, think about this. Bankers have always been greedy. And as their power and influence over years has enabled them to shape the laws under which they operate - essentially making their thieving totally legal - do you really expect these thieves to restrain their greed?

These things are critical:

1) do your best to identify the larger trend,
2) be very cautious with counter-trend setups,
3) be extremely cautions with setups coming after a bull or bear swing is looking mature, because...

  1. a reversal might be in the making, and
  2. prolific stop hunting can accompany the preparations for a reversal of, or a renewed surge in the trend,

4) with every trade have a plan for what you will do if PA does what you do not want it to do (know when to fold, hold or add), and
5) trade very light relative to account size, so you can give your trade room to breathe and yourself additional entry opportunities. if it is your style.

-tah

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  • #77,670
  • Edited 1:21pm Nov 20, 2014 12:45pm | Edited 1:21pm
GBPUSD:

And if you are short, and think the Stop Hunts are done with, here is something to consider, especially since these Robber Banks can and have whipped and whacked prices more than 200 pips in a single session!

It could happen, a really significant short squeeze on top of all the preceding stop hunting, enabling the Robber Banks to have a "windfall" time adding shorts at higher and higher prices! We can never know how these greedy bastards will move price in order to steal from others.

If you are short, you are going to have to have your plan in case this happens, knowing full well when it happens that we cannot know for sure if the MMs are bears doing a short squeeze, or have become bulls intent on executing a trend reversal from down to up. Only PVSRA on lower TFs will give us real-time clues during the event, should it happen. We do know this, however, the highest activity today and yesterday has been when the price was pushed above the whole number. Since price has been ranging lately, this high volume is most likely due to the MMs closing the longs they had to obtain by pushing price upwards, followed by aggressive resumption of short building above the whole number. That is my take on it: they are bears. But even if they are, it does not mean they have stopped pumping up the price. A significant Pump & Dump short squeeze is possible. Only time will tell.
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  • #77,671
  • Nov 20, 2014 1:04pm Nov 20, 2014 1:04pm
Damn great analysis if it s true ...

"with every trade have a plan for what you will do if PA does what you do not want it to do (know when to fold, hold or add)"

to me this is the hardest point to master and even sometimes unable to master.

But TAH, one thing: I dont catch what u mean with "Batman", teach me.
  • #77,672
  • Nov 20, 2014 1:32pm Nov 20, 2014 1:32pm
Quoting forexTN14
Damn great analysis if it s true ... "with every trade have a plan for what you will do if PA does what you do not want it to do (know when to fold, hold or add)" to me this is the hardest point to master and even sometimes unable to master. But TAH, one thing: I dont catch what u mean with "Batman", teach me.
I think the author of that picture (not me) intended to suggest that between the time the line down ends and the time the line up starts, the price will range, and the range will involve prices both above and below the "end" and the "start". In other words, forget "Batman" and just realize that consolidation (position building: buying to close shorts and then buying to open longs,....all the while the MMs manipulating price up and down to get sellers into the market so this can happen) is what is going on, and can involve some weird PA as the MMs attempt to deceive the market.

-tah
  • #77,673
  • Nov 20, 2014 4:48pm Nov 20, 2014 4:48pm
Hi,
i will be out tomorrow but looking to see what will happen at news, especially at volume... (my charting notes)
good pips to all!
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  • #77,674
  • Edited 6:42pm Nov 20, 2014 6:24pm | Edited 6:42pm
What Do We Really Know About the Robber Bank MMs?

Sonicers,

Here is a question I received by PM. In the past I might have answered this one, and others on this subject, but I find this a good time to reiterate.

"For sure, there must be more than 1 MM, do they communicate with other, I know big one do but what about the smaller "one" and what happens if 2 MMs got different direction ? Are they waiting out and do it one after other ?"

I answer that question this way.....

Think of "ECNs" - Electronically Connected Networks - which link the Robber Banks making the market. And there are more electronic links between banks than just the formal ECNs, too. I imagine they have no lack of ways to be sure they are all on the same page, so they can collude and can even "pool" their resources to be sure what they plan comes off as planned, and split the rewards when it does.

What is fact and what is fiction? Who knows. More and more the big banks are in the news, revelations as to how they have manipulated this or that, news of corruption and greed,....things relative to that about which I have been talking for years and nobody believed, but guess what,......there is still a total "blackout" of news and details revealing the inner-most secrets of their market making operations, the ECNs and other interlinks that might be in use by them to communicate and coordinate price manipulations, and how they work in unison to fleece the market instead of less fruitfully working against each other.

I might be wrong in some ways about some things I comment on. And I might be more right than I know about some things I comment on. I have always answered questions put to me for which I cannot know the absolute truth - and neither can my critics - in this way.....

.......if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, if it looks like a duck,.....then it is a duck! And even if it isn't a duck, I find that so long as I treat it like a duck, I am fine!

-tah
  • #77,675
  • Nov 20, 2014 7:21pm Nov 20, 2014 7:21pm
A classic setup for Gold M15
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  • #77,676
  • Edited 9:30pm Nov 20, 2014 9:20pm | Edited 9:30pm
Quoting dinhienhy
A classic setup for Gold M15 {image}
Gold Bullish?....

Maybe, a pre-LS setup though, and therefore far less trustworthy. The best is to get into the habit of waiting until well into the LS to see what the MMs really have planned. You seem to be all over Forex Factory with your postings, so I can well understand your lack of the trading acumen here. You know the truth to the saying, "...Jack of all trades, master of none!" Whichever way you go, you will probably come to the ultimate conclusion about that path a lot sooner if you aren't trying to straddle so many others at the same time.
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You might want to reconsider the PVSRA indications in the area marked. There are repeated pumps, repeated highest volumes at the tops, and all this adds up to the MMs being sellers, not buyers. And, you might acquaint yourself with the overall price manipulation of Gold, by searching "Big Sting (and the Banks Stink!).
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  • #77,677
  • Nov 20, 2014 10:34pm Nov 20, 2014 10:34pm
Quoting traderathome
AUDUSD Long Open: M5 classic. No TP, SL at this time.{image} Edit: Here is what I see happening. Earlier there was high volume as price made LOD (Low of Day) where the bullish PA wave starts. Later, there was increasing volume as the PA wave constructed the 3rd leg and the classic setup has its breakout. Now, the market is awaiting the FOMC release. Meanwhile, the MMs are working the price lower. So, there are definite bullish connotations. In light of this, I have been adding to the trade at steps down during this retrace, and I plan on continuing...
AUDUSD Long Closed:

Manually closed for gain of 20.4 pips average, 184 pips total.
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  • #77,678
  • Nov 21, 2014 2:59am Nov 21, 2014 2:59am
Quoting forexTN14
Damn great analysis if it s true ... "with every trade have a plan for what you will do if PA does what you do not want it to do (know when to fold, hold or add)" to me this is the hardest point to master and even sometimes unable to master. But TAH, one thing: I dont catch what u mean with "Batman", teach me.
Can you see the batman now?
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  • #77,679
  • Nov 21, 2014 3:46am Nov 21, 2014 3:46am
Quoting forexTN14
GJ Short Open: Classic Setup, M15. {image} Update: connect the highs @M15 for a resistance line & Re-Entry if hits with half position, same SL same TP
TP hits and out, Ive forgotten to take Screenshot.
  • #77,680
  • Edited 4:42am Nov 21, 2014 4:20am | Edited 4:42am
Quoting traderathome
Thoughts on Trading Sonicers, I post this pic because it reveals the true nature of the market. That nature is that it is controlled by Robber Banks who make the market, and they are thieves who will manipulate prices whenever they choose to do so in order to steal money from others and use it to pad their own positions they are building. I saw this suddenly drop before the LS. I set the FR Study as shown. Look what these MMs did with the price! Whack! Whip! Whack! Whip! After the manipulated spike of the price above the upper whole number yesterday,...
Get the money and out for me.

+ 653 Pips in total

I think, it will continue till 1.56 ( Daily Resistance point ) but its friday who knows what they are doing, so out for me.

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Update:

Thinking about Classic Re-Entry @ "touch of dragon" M15 ~ @ 1.5670 > 1.5675 - SL 1.57 TP 1.56

Update 2:

Back in game, lets see what they are doing

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