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  • #77,181
  • Oct 30, 2014 9:19am Oct 30, 2014 9:19am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} muhitalam, We do things differently on this thread. Before you express advice to others you'd better read and comply with Post #1. The Sonic R. System is not based on formal wave analysis. And Patron keeps trying to interject it. -tah
Hello traderathome ,

I am agree with this. i am just saying we should friendly here. Patron shouldn`t do that. it`s his mistake. My point is lets solve this friendly as patron said bye though he don``t left LoL. you get my point?
  • #77,182
  • Edited 11:39am Oct 30, 2014 11:28am | Edited 11:39am
Quoting muhitalam
{quote} Hello traderathome , I am agree with this. i am just saying we should friendly here. Patron shouldn`t do that. it`s his mistake. My point is lets solve this friendly as patron said bye though he don``t left LoL. you get my point?
Elegant Simplicity and Effectiveness

muhitalam,

I got your point the first time. Let me tell you, and others, something.

When I was first invited to this thread by Sonicdeejay I stopped the manner in which I was trading and adopted his. I did not try to "marry" the two. It was a decision, followed by a struggle just like most everyone has when they come here and soon realize that this is not an "add on" program, but an "adopt and apply, or leave" program. This is the only way the integrity of Sonic R. has withstood the test of time to become the premier thread on Forex Factory.

If I made the "sacrifice" to cleanse myself and turn to embrace Sonic R., then others can also. Nobody is forced to come here and nobody is forced to stay. And those that do come here with expertise they feel can benefit Sonic R. need to be very careful as to how they attempt to share it, because some areas of expertise - no matter how valid in their own right - just do not fit the Sonic R. System and therefore do not belong here. Other areas of expertise could conceivably help, but only if they make our elegantly simple and effective system more simple and effective. Anything that requires less simplicity just does not belong, because simplicity and effectiveness is an absolute "must be" trait for any system to fit the large majority of retail traders. They are the ones we are helping, not the few or select that possess hard worked for talents that would be too difficult or even insurmountable for many others to achieve with proficiency.

You see, the Sonic R. System is not just about becoming a better trader. It is about making it possible for most people to become better traders.

-tah
  • #77,183
  • Oct 30, 2014 11:32am Oct 30, 2014 11:32am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Patron, Here you are. As Gupito said, the wave form could be better, but it does qualify as H-L-LH-LL, and you can see on both this chart and Gupito's chart that the Dragon was angled down at entry. This is a simple 1-2-3 directional wave crossing the Dragon that is angled in the same direction. The fact that you do not recognize this as a Classic setup proves how poorly you have studied the material linked in Post #1, and how steeped you are in your own wave analysis method. Now, I supplied what you were waiting for....
Let me defend (without talking about waves) and for the last time, my honor, using your own work against your own arguments.
For me, the "Classic" is the show on the graph. However, this Classic should not be taken due to the proximity of major news, because, the larger trend is opposite.

As a picture is worth a thousand words, and my English is very bad, I'll upload a chart that you, tah, placed as a prime example.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...25#post6518525
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  • #77,184
  • Oct 30, 2014 11:34am Oct 30, 2014 11:34am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Elegant Simplicity and Effectiveness muhitalam, I got your point the first time. Let me tell you, and others, something. When I was first invited to this thread by Sonicdeejay I stopped the manner in which I was trading and adopted his. I did not try to "marry" the two. It was a decision, followed by a struggle just like most everyone has when they come here and soon realize that this is not an "add on" program, but an "adopt and apply, or leave" program. This is the only way the integrity of Sonic R. has withstood the test of time to become...
  • #77,185
  • Oct 30, 2014 11:52am Oct 30, 2014 11:52am
Quoting Patron
{quote} Let me defend (without talking about waves) and for the last time, my honor, using your own work against your own arguments. For me, the "Classic" is the show on the graph. However, this Classic should not be taken due to the proximity of major news, because, the larger trend is opposite. As a picture is worth a thousand words, and my English is very bad, I'll upload a chart that you, tah, placed as a prime example. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...25#post6518525...
I think I've made the sequence on all of my pdf clearly. Conduct PVSRA read first from time to time, then look for classic as setup. If PVSRA told sell, why took setup for long? By doing a homework, and follow the step to the letter, I think this missjudged that commonly happened on new sonicer can be avoided. I'm not instructed to found classic first, then conduct pvsra read. I did instruct to read the buying / selling enthusiasm at certain level, then executed with classic. I made those pdf based on my experience when a certain condition apply. The enthusiasm itself is the clue of direction. By that clue, we alreadyfiltered multi possible setup, and narrowed it into near the edge of price direction setup with classic. If you follow, and read that instruction that I wrote clearly, the misjudged classic setup will be avoided. PVSRA is a clue for direction on the street, while classic setup is the sign lamp that must be turned on before you take a turn.
regards,
-GP-
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  • #77,186
  • Oct 30, 2014 12:18pm Oct 30, 2014 12:18pm
Quoting Gupito1508
{quote} I think I've made the sequence on all of my pdf clearly. Conduct PVSRA read first from time to time, then look for classic as setup. If PVSRA told sell, why took setup for long? By doing a homework, and follow the step to the letter, I think this missjudged that commonly happened on new sonicer can be avoided. I'm not instructed to found classic first, then conduct pvsra read. I did instruct to read the buying / selling enthusiasm at certain level, then executed with classic. I made those pdf based on my experience when a certain condition...
Contradictions.

Tah sends me to read the first post. You send me to read your PDF.

You talk about me as if i was a rookie. I've been older than you in this business. And I try to help people to self motivate not bored. I do not need to read the pdf of someone less experienced than me. Yet I read courtesy and detected errors. But I never said nothing, wanting to be friendly. While you have no qualms with me.
It is you who should read well what I publish to grow.

That's incredible. I defend with an example of you, because you do not accept my arguments, nor worth.

Contradictions.

For me this silly dispute over.
I wish you all the best.
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  • #77,187
  • Oct 30, 2014 12:27pm Oct 30, 2014 12:27pm
Quoting forexTN14
{quote} Hi TAH, can you share with us your opinion about this pair. Personally, iam in this trade,too. I am trading the same direction. 1. Position: EP @95.00 with 1lot SL @96.65 Yearly S&R Level 2. Position: EP @95.25 with 2 SL @96.65 Yearly S&R Level 3. Position: EP @95.50 with 4 SL @96.65 Yearly S&R Level next Sell Limit @96.00 with 4? What do you think ? many thanks and cheers.
This is the most sucking trade, i got now in portfolio and just cant let it go ...
  • #77,188
  • Oct 30, 2014 12:35pm Oct 30, 2014 12:35pm
Quoting traderathome
GBPJPY Long Trade Open: M15 Classic entries. What can I say? That is a setup. I think I have set a reasonable TP and SL. Now, time will tell. {image}
GBPJPY Long Trade Closed:

Closed for gain of 26 pips average, 78 pips total.
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  • #77,189
  • Oct 30, 2014 12:39pm Oct 30, 2014 12:39pm
Market Comment, JPY Pairs:

In after hours the thieving MMs are pushing these up. This is an "across the board" Stop Hunt of shorts on these pairs. This is being done ahead of the JPY releases coming in the last Asian session of the week. Figure it out.
  • #77,190
  • Oct 30, 2014 12:43pm Oct 30, 2014 12:43pm
Quoting Patron
{quote} Contradictions. Tah sends me to read the first post. You send me to read your PDF. You talk about me as if i was a rookie. I've been older than you in this business. And I try to help people to self motivate not bored. I do not need to read the pdf of someone less experienced than me. Yet I read courtesy and detected errors. But I never said nothing, wanting to be friendly. While you have no qualms with me. It is you who should read well what I publish to grow. That's incredible. I defend with an example of you, because you do not accept...
Hi Patron,

I normally stay out of this kind of dispute on the internet as I find it distracting and pointless.

Having said that, I do want to mention that while you make a good example of the Long Classic setup on 15 minutes chart, I think what Gupito is trying to imply is that when he switched over to higher TF (1 hr), the volume is decreasing at the top which indicates bearish scenario.

Now, if I understand this correctly, Gupito is arguing that he first looked at the 1 Hour chart and since he saw volume is decreasing, he did not even bother looking for a LONG classic setup as it contradicted his 1 Hour timeframe analysis. Hence he was only looking for SHORT classic setup on the 15 minutes timeframe since the 1 hour timeframe shows itself to be bearish.

Lastly, Post#1 linked the PDF Gupito is referring to and it is part of the reading I did.

I think we all should just get along here as our goal is the same (to take money away from banks )

Regards
  • #77,191
  • Edited 12:59pm Oct 30, 2014 12:47pm | Edited 12:59pm
Quoting traderathome
AUDJPY Short Trade Open: M15 Classic, post-LS, as price retraced upwards. This is looking bearish to me due to the heavy activity above the whole number today (PVSRA = bears). And there is a AUD high impact release coming in the next Asian session. So,.......I decided to take on a short trade of this one. No TP. No SL because the Asian session MMs might Whip N' Whack it - Stop Hunt shorts - when the time comes. {image}
AUDJPY Short Trade Clsosed:

Closed for loss of 160.2 pips average, 5,768.6 pips total. Just wiped out most of the pips for these past three weeks! But, I am still up 899.2 pips gain for this period, or about 300 pips per week.
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  • #77,192
  • Oct 30, 2014 1:12pm Oct 30, 2014 1:12pm
Sonicers,

I have just entered fresh short positions on several JPY pairs, as I feel the MMs are currently Stop Hunting shorts ahead of the coming JPY releases. I have not "bet the farm" on this because experience tells me just when I think such activity by the MMs means the top is near or already made, the price pushes can continue for much, much longer, as what happened to my AUDJPY trade just closed for a big loss.

So, I have made Scout entries now, under these extenuating circumstances, just in case the tops are near or already made. But my plan provides for plenty of flexibility to add between now and after the releases, even into next week. If what we are currently seeing in after hours is not the work of the MMs manipulating these pairs upwards for major trend reversals, then I will simply fold the entries I have just made and consider the gamble was worth taking.

I do think all of these pairs warrant constant watching now for shorting opportunities (valid Classics). Time will tell.

-tah
  • #77,193
  • Oct 30, 2014 2:05pm Oct 30, 2014 2:05pm
Quoting Nestledrink
{quote} Hi Patron, I normally stay out of this kind of dispute on the internet as I find it distracting and pointless. Having said that, I do want to mention that while you make a good example of the Long Classic setup on 15 minutes chart, I think what Gupito is trying to imply is that when he switched over to higher TF (1 hr), the volume is decreasing at the top which indicates bearish scenario. Now, if I understand this correctly, Gupito is arguing that he first looked at the 1 Hour chart and since he saw volume is decreasing, he did not even...
Nestledrink,

"I think we all should just get along here as our goal is the same (to take money away from banks ) " - Nestledrink

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Please stop by our banking office and sign up for your extravagant CEO pay. And don't forget to sign up for your super-extravagant severance pay package,....in case you screw up royally and we have to "let you go" to appease the stupid shareholders, that we routinely fleece for our own comforts.
  • #77,194
  • Oct 30, 2014 4:15pm Oct 30, 2014 4:15pm
Quoting Nestledrink
{quote} Hi Patron, I normally stay out of this kind of dispute on the internet as I find it distracting and pointless. Having said that, I do want to mention that while you make a good example of the Long Classic setup on 15 minutes chart, I think what Gupito is trying to imply is that when he switched over to higher TF (1 hr), the volume is decreasing at the top which indicates bearish scenario. Now, if I understand this correctly, Gupito is arguing that he first looked at the 1 Hour chart and since he saw volume is decreasing, he did not even...
So badly do I express in English? I never said that the trade of Gupito was misplaced. I even said that I've done and will do similar things.
I only said that it is not called "Classic".

A perfect example of Classic, just to star tah, with the GBPJPY. Although his chart volumes do not appear. I will get you for that relationship.

And yes, that's right: the objective is to make money, the way it is.

This you see here below is what I call Classic.
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  • #77,195
  • Oct 30, 2014 5:34pm Oct 30, 2014 5:34pm
Quoting Patron
{quote} So badly do I express in English? I never said that the trade of Gupito was misplaced. I even said that I've done and will do similar things. I only said that it is not called "Classic". A perfect example of Classic, just to star tah, with the GBPJPY. Although his chart volumes do not appear. I will get you for that relationship. And yes, that's right: the objective is to make money, the way it is. This you see here below is what I call Classic. {image} {image}
Looking at Gupito's chart he did draw the H-L-LH line that he used to qualify the trade as Classic so in his eyes it is a Classic entry. It doesn't look as neat as the examples you showed above but I feel that as long as you know what you're doing, it's fine.

The thing with technical analysis is that everyone interprets the "lines" slightly differently. You can ask 10 people to draw a "trendline" of the same pair for instance and a few will deviate slightly from the pack and that is okay. The concept might be objective (H-L-LH) but the interpretation and reading will probably differs from person to person because we view things differently.

In addition to that, even when you are entering with classic entry, doesn't mean it'll go your way right away. In the case of EUR/USD trade by Gupito, price actually moved slightly higher before the news (probably institutional traders pumping up the price) but he held on to it because of his volume analysis in higher timeframe is saying bearish so he held.

I just feel that as long as you qualify the trade as classic (I usually draw the L-H-HL or H-L-LH lines), it's fine. Don't need to get bogged down too much into the details! =) We're all our own bosses here in this trading business so I think as long as the concept is sound and you're making profit, that's all, really! This is not an EA based trading so there will be different interpretations between members. For example, I usually only trade when dragon is actually above/below the trend for its respective trade (above for long and vice versa). I saw TAH enters a long trade (many times actually) when dragon is below the trend with classic entry. It doesn't really align with my own checklist but that's fine as we are all operating with the same concept here.

I appreciate everyone who posted their trades here as it only makes the system better!
  • #77,196
  • Oct 30, 2014 6:17pm Oct 30, 2014 6:17pm
Quoting Nestledrink
{quote} Looking at Gupito's chart he did draw the H-L-LH line that he used to qualify the trade as Classic so in his eyes it is a Classic entry. It doesn't look as neat as the examples you showed above but I feel that as long as you know what you're doing, it's fine. The thing with technical analysis is that everyone interprets the "lines" slightly differently. You can ask 10 people to draw a "trendline" of the same pair for instance and a few will deviate slightly from the pack and that is okay. The concept might be objective (H-L-LH) but the interpretation...
Are you saying that if I am with a dog, and I think it's a cat, is a cat?
Let's leave, there.
Luck.
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  • #77,197
  • Oct 30, 2014 10:06pm Oct 30, 2014 10:06pm
Quoting Patron
{quote} Are you saying that if I am with a dog, and I think it's a cat, is a cat? Let's leave, there. Luck.
I don't think those two are the same at all. Dogs and cats are vastly different and pretty clear cut differences but the concept of H-L-LH, while it is clear, the implementation itself is certainly subject to interpretation and one person might view it differently. Like I said, Gupito drew the H-L-LH lines where he got the indication. If you don't think it's valid then fine, move on. I don't see why we're debating it unless it's absolutely wrong or the lower high is NOT actually lower high.

In essence, the concept of Sonic R in entering trade after a wave is clear cut but the interpretation of where the wave is might vary from people to people. This is the nature of technical analysis and I just feel debating where you draw the wave is kind of moot if the concept is solid.
  • #77,198
  • Oct 30, 2014 11:31pm Oct 30, 2014 11:31pm
Quoting Patron
{quote} Contradictions. Tah sends me to read the first post. You send me to read your PDF. You talk about me as if i was a rookie. I've been older than you in this business. And I try to help people to self motivate not bored. I do not need to read the pdf of someone less experienced than me. Yet I read courtesy and detected errors. But I never said nothing, wanting to be friendly. While you have no qualms with me. It is you who should read well what I publish to grow. That's incredible. I defend with an example of you, because you do not accept...
I have to admit that I'm less experienced than you. And please don't bother to read my pdf. You already understand the terminology and how to approach the market better than me. I should have not called the trade as classic, but scout. I realized that I still a rookie that have to accept and hear the argument from the veteran here. Your argument is sound, and your experience is undebatable, so I accept it, and not called the trade as classic. Whatever it's name, it's just a name, doesn't matter. I just wanna show to the other, who need example about how to approach when certain condition occur. If it suit their style, let them addopted, if not, everybody here is free to tell it a rubbish example.
I know my experience in this market is limited, and somebody have not to be bother to read all the pdf I wrote that being linked on page 1. Yes, I approach the market with a filtered setup based on higher TF.
I hope this will end the useless debate among us here, and let's talk and post about our trade here according to page 1 rule. I've shown mine, the rookie trading result, let the other veteran shows their trade and setup. As TAH often reffered as veteran, he did the post, with his approach, and how to manage the trade. I'm eagerly wait you, to shows yours, and take a lesson from you...
with humble,
-GP-
It's all started from page one
  • #77,199
  • Oct 31, 2014 12:47am Oct 31, 2014 12:47am
Trade on demo account, 239 pips

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  • #77,200
  • Oct 31, 2014 2:47am Oct 31, 2014 2:47am
I just had to show off this one. The profit target was the top of a previous weekly candle.
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