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  • #77,021
  • Oct 22, 2014 11:57pm Oct 22, 2014 11:57pm
GBPJPY Long Trade Open:

M15 Classic, pre-LS. This is based on consolidation (position building) below whole number (PVSRA = bulls) with nice PA waves and then a strong thrust up thru the whole number, which I interpret as the Asian session MMs aggressively accumulating long orders - so much so they could not hold the price low - ahead of the coming GBP releases. Now, they are working the price back down somewhat. I have decided to make a pre-LS entry here. No TP/SL at this time.
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  • #77,022
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:40am Oct 23, 2014 1:40am
Hi All SonicR,

Just pick up the Sonic system about a month ago and reading thru all the attachments as best as I could. Started applying it recently in my LIVE account.

Would like to seek your enlightenment on the following AU to see whether I'm on the right path.

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- Price went up to whole number(Dotted line) with high volume buying signaling MM's intention to short.

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- Further high volume at the peak to suggest that MM is pushing price up for more shorting.


Would love to have Master Sonic and some seniors to correct me if I'm wrong or what should also be looking at to complete the whole picture. Am I on the right path?

Thank you in advance.
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  • #77,023
  • Oct 23, 2014 3:25am Oct 23, 2014 3:25am
GBPNZD close all classic and scout longs, it's appear now classic short figure on H1. Will see ...

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  • #77,024
  • Oct 23, 2014 3:46am Oct 23, 2014 3:46am
please touch my target again
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  • #77,025
  • Oct 23, 2014 4:58am Oct 23, 2014 4:58am
Quoting traderathome
EURUSD Long Trade Open: M5 Classic, pre-LS. This is based on several factors: 1) the Asian session MMs started off with a small hike for altitude before driving the price lower - coaxing shorters in so they can close their own - all below the half number (PVSRA = bulls) where, 2) from the lows there began a series of bullish PA waves, 3) that are diminutive due to tight ranging (MMs trying to keep PA looking bearish so shorters will continue to come in), 4) all ahead of EUR releases coming in a few hours. This has the look of being whacked further...
I hoped on this parade also, but waited for the Dragon to show the way on M15. I placed TP at a conservative 50% on H4 fibo, but I am thinking RDH is within reach and more logical.


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  • #77,026
  • Oct 23, 2014 5:27am Oct 23, 2014 5:27am
Quoting slimypips
{quote} I hoped on this parade also, but waited for the Dragon to show the way on M15. I placed TP at a conservative 50% on H4 fibo, but I am thinking RDH is within reach and more logical. {image} {image}
About your M15 chart, the wave ain't right.
L - H - LL - HH, not valid wave combination.
Bullish wave = L - H - HL - HH.
Bearish wave = H - L - LH - LL.

That LL I see it as stop hunt on long...

-AdrianC.
  • #77,027
  • Oct 23, 2014 6:52am Oct 23, 2014 6:52am
Quoting AdrianC
{quote} About your M15 chart, the wave ain't right. L - H - LL - HH, not valid wave combination. Bullish wave = L - H - HL - HH. Bearish wave = H - L - LH - LL. That LL I see it as stop hunt on long... -AdrianC.

Your right, how's this wave??

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  • #77,028
  • Oct 23, 2014 7:05am Oct 23, 2014 7:05am
Quoting slimypips
{quote} Your right, how's this wave?? {image}
Much better this way

-AdrianC.
  • #77,029
  • Oct 23, 2014 7:06am Oct 23, 2014 7:06am
The Power of Sonic R System.
You know it when you're at the wrong side.

Dow Jones.
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-AdrianC.
  • #77,030
  • Oct 23, 2014 7:38am Oct 23, 2014 7:38am
Quoting traderathome
GBPJPY Long Trade Open: M15 Classic, pre-LS. This is based on consolidation (position building) below whole number (PVSRA = bulls) with nice PA waves and then a strong thrust up thru the whole number, which I interpret as the Asian session MMs aggressively accumulating long orders - so much so they could not hold the price low - ahead of the coming GBP releases. Now, they are working the price back down somewhat. I have decided to make a pre-LS entry here. No TP/SL at this time. {image}
GBPJPY Long Trade Closed:

Closed for gain of 54.2 pips average, 108.4 pips total.
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  • #77,031
  • Oct 23, 2014 9:11am Oct 23, 2014 9:11am
Quoting traderathome
USDJPY Long Trade Open: M15 Classic. H1 shows that today the MMs have already whacked the price down to previous support, and that the price is now back up to previous resistance. So, was that move down designed to sucker in shorters so the MMs could have liquidity to build long? Who knows, but there was a very strong strike below the lower whole number some days ago, which might have been the MMs closing shorts. And this move down earlier today might be the MMs rebuilding long. I do not know, cannot know, but at this point I am going to try this...
USDJPY Long Trade Closed:

Closed for gain of 130 pips average, 1,950.2 pips total.

This could continue higher (ref: inverted H&S mentioned in posts), but I have decided to take profit and wait and see if there comes a nice retrace and a new setup.
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  • #77,032
  • Oct 23, 2014 9:14am Oct 23, 2014 9:14am
EURAUD Long Trade Open:

M15 Classic: LS, Dragon angled up, Trend angled up, PA above both, nice bullish PA waves. Plenty of activity below whole number yesterday and today (PVSRA = bulls), and now it looks like a bounce up off of the whole number.
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  • #77,033
  • Edited 11:01am Oct 23, 2014 9:54am | Edited 11:01am
AUDUSD:

Sonicers, I still am of the opinion that the Robber Banks are setting this is up for a run down to the 0.8400 - 0.8450 region. And right now the lower half number is the key. The MMs are supporting - keeping it from falling below - the price at that level. My guess is they are attempting to make PA look bullish in order to deceive longs into the market, so as to obtain the liquidity they themselves need to continue loading up on short orders.

All this is speculative - all it can ever be - but, the half number below current PA is still a very important area, because if the MMs are bulls instead of bears, they will likely head fake below this level before running the price up. In my opinion, though, the Robber Banks/MMs are indeed bears.

Right now the activity on pairs involving the Aussie dollar seems to be either: 1) prices are being pushed up - favoring the Aussie dollar, or 2) prices are being supported. For example, AUDJPY got the pump today, and my bet is the MMs were gleefully taking the short side of every long order processed. On the other hand, we have AUDUSD still ranging, but supported from dropping out of the range, as the MMs gleefully take the short side of every long order processed.

So, there is my speculation. Time will tell.
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BTW, here is a M1 view of the Robbers forcing the price of AUDJPY up towards RDH in the last minutes of the LS. The higher they get it, the better the price region for the after-hours activity of the MMs, as they scour to accumulate more short orders ahead of the last day of trading for the week. Also, it is better for these thieves once they decide to pull the rug out from under the price, as they have a lot more altitude from which to start their concentrated short selling from. This way, they can collect a lot more short orders before price ever reaches the pre-pump levels.
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Mission accomplished! The Robber Banks got the price up to RDH in the last minutes of the LS. Were they anxious to get the price up there because that was where they want to buy more?
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  • #77,034
  • Oct 23, 2014 10:27am Oct 23, 2014 10:27am
eurgbp short
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Dragon the best Indicator
  • #77,035
  • Oct 23, 2014 10:35am Oct 23, 2014 10:35am
Quoting traderathome
AUDUSD: Sonicers, I still am of the opinion that the Robber Banks are setting this is up for a run down to the 0.8400 - 0.8450 region. And right now the lower half number is the key. The MMs are supporting - keeping it from falling below - the price at that level. My guess is they are attempting to make PA look bullish in order to deceive longs into the market, so as to obtain the liquidity they themselves need to continue loading up on short orders. All this is speculative - all it can ever be - but, the half number below current PA is still a...

When postin entries it would be apperciated if you dont post an analyze and edit it after many traders took the trade.

Im not saying that im taking entries based entirely on other traders analyzis, but it is a bit annoying to see an analyse and after some time you come back to see it is changed to a gamblers entry.

Thanks
  • #77,036
  • Edited 11:57am Oct 23, 2014 11:24am | Edited 11:57am
Quoting NWGstudent
{quote} When postin entries it would be apperciated if you dont post an analyze and edit it after many traders took the trade. Im not saying that im taking entries based entirely on other traders analyzis, but it is a bit annoying to see an analyse and after some time you come back to see it is changed to a gamblers entry. Thanks
.....changed to a gamblers entry

NWGstudent,

First off, trading is gambling. No matter how one tries to justify it as something else, every trade entry is a gamble. No matter how good a setup there is, it does not mandate that the Robber Banks/MMs follow thru on the "promise" of the setup. Every time a traders puts money down on a trade, they put themselves at the mercy of the Robber Banks/MMs, with only their own good judgement to save themselves from ruin.

And so, we have the matter of good judgement to consider. Sometimes a trade is not going as we hoped, and we are faced with making a decision to fold, hold or maybe add to the trade. It is never recommended to blatantly add to a trade that is in the red. Amen! However, there will be times that the trader accurately perceives what the MMs are up to, and will violate that recommendation and add to the trade that is in the red. This is highly risky, but it is sometimes highly rewarding, too. Ultimately, traders make their own decisions, and sometimes they just "know" it is time to do what is not "recommended" to do.

Personally, I do not like to post trades that start out in such a manner, as that smacks of picking tops or bottoms. But, when there are extenuating circumstances, such as the original intent of the Scout by Sonic, I will post accordingly. And, there is the situation where a Classic goes rogue sometimes, a situation where the trade is red and it is not recommended to add, but I add due to the way I perceive what the MMs are up to. For trades such as these, by the time I post the trade closed, it can look quite different from the initial post. This is the real world, and every trader must manage their own trades their own way when confronted with price manipulations by the Robber Banks/MMs.

It would be nice if the market was nice - nice, consistent, predictable - and we could forever enter Classics and always things would go nicely our way. But, then we'd all be soon millionaires! The Robber Banks/MMs do their best to see that does not happen. So, if you fret over how trades are posted initially and then managed differently than you expected them to be managed as the trade "unfolds", then I suggest you just learn to live with it, and from it.

Not everything I do, should you do. Heck, not everything I do, should I do! But, once the start of a trade is posted, I intend to post the closing of that trade, no matter what it reveals was done during the trade.

BTW, you never posted the actual trade you are bitching about. Next time it would be helpful to everyone here if you did. So far as I can see, I have been consistently posting about bears as regards AUDUSD since I entered my current short trade of this pair on Tuesday this week:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...63#post7815063

This short trade is an example of building up to four entries while the trade was running green, but then suddenly the thieves whipped up the price. I perceived it was a Stop Hunt on shorters like myself. I saw what the MMs were up to and so I violated the recommendation to not add to a trade in the red. I added. As a result, my trade is more profitable as things stand now. It is still running, and so it is still subject to more price swinging. Time will tell.

-tah
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  • #77,037
  • Oct 23, 2014 11:45am Oct 23, 2014 11:45am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} .....changed to a gamblers entry NWGstudent, First off, trading is gambling. No matter how one tries to justify it as something else, every trade entry is a gamble. No matter how good a setup there is, it does not mandate the Robber Banks/MMs from following thru on the "promise" of the setup. Every time a traders puts money down on a trade, they put themselves at the mercy of the Robber Banks/MMs, with only their own good judgement to save themselves from ruin. And so, we have the matter of good judgement to consider. Sometimes a trade is...
I think you views on trading are a bit offset.

If my intention was to gamble I would make deposits with casinos instead of trading. Trading is not gambling if you base your trading on high probability trades and fundamentals.

Ofcourse I donīt deny there will be loosing trades, if everyone won, there wouldnīt be a market to trade and you cant stick under a chair that traiding involves high risk.

Iīm trying out this system to see if it would work for me to, and as said before the chart is eye candy, this system got by far most post and has stayed a long time, there is no doubt it is worth checking out.

And therefor im lurking this thread to see various setups and getting heads up to go into my own chart and coupling things together, and it is great to see people post their setups, but when there is a setup like the one you posted and say it is high probability for the trade reaching next round number iīll take that for good fish since im new to this system.

When im getting back after the price went straight down 15 pips you changed your post saying this is a higly risky trade. Well then it is no trade, at least not for me.

If something changes it would be better to come back and quote your original post and let the fellow traders know that things has changed. By guess I can tell you aint taking high risk trades yourself, then you would been out of the game, by experience i know the market will slaughter you in short time if you dont watch your steps.

So obviously there isnt any reason to post a high risk trade as a entry, then it would be better to clearly notify fellow sonicers it is a possible setup but still a no entry.

I got out 11 pips in minus eating up my profit today, still not on the red side so im good.

Just a bit frustrating and unexpected by a well experienced trader.

Thanks Morgan
  • #77,038
  • Oct 23, 2014 12:11pm Oct 23, 2014 12:11pm
GBPJPY Long Trade Closed: Entered on 16th October 2014 and Closed on 23rd October 2014

Closed for Profit of about 210.3 pips average/total. This was for 0.6 lots = $1,213.84


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  • #77,039
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:01pm Oct 23, 2014 1:01pm
Quoting NWGstudent
{quote} I think you views on trading are a bit offset. If my intention was to gamble I would make deposits with casinos instead of trading. Trading is not gambling if you base your trading on high probability trades and fundamentals. Ofcourse I donīt deny there will be loosing trades, if everyone won, there wouldnīt be a market to trade and you cant stick under a chair that traiding involves high risk. Iīm trying out this system to see if it would work for me to, and as said before the chart is eye candy, this system got by far most post and has...
....there is no doubt it is worth checking out

Morgan,

What makes this thread different from the others is we talk about how the market really works here. The market is a business run for profits by the Robber Banks/MMs that make the market; supply liquidity for the market to function. They don't run their business out of goodness. And they don't run it out of a desire for "reasonable" profits. They run it out of extreme greed for all the money they can possibly steal from others. Period!

Most people believe - as the "market" wants them to believe - that such markets are "free" markets where prices are based on "supply" and "demand". We talk here about how nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that the "super-rich" control the markets. And the markets are based on a "supply" of suckers, the "demand" by the liquidity providers/Market Makers to be able to steal from these suckers, and that therefore the markets are set up so the liquidity providers/Market Makers are indeed legally "free" to do so! The only true, enduring fundamental in the markets is that they are run by the corrupt and powerful, that have enough money and the will to use it to control and manipulate prices for the purpose of their own profit making.

Where else but in the stock market can you lose billions in a day, as Warren Buffet did two days ago, due to these corrupt and powerful forces torpedoing prices by selling what does not even exist. It is called Naked Shorting, and by admission of the NYSE itself, it is a "tool" they use to "reduce the price of whatever it considers to be too highly priced"....! And get this! These thieves get to close out their Naked Shorts at profit when they have driven the price lower.....! That surely does sound like a free market where price is based on supply and demand.

Where else but in the forex market can one of the biggest investment houses/banks manipulate prices and make billions a year doing so, such as JP Morgan Chase has just been fined for doing?

If you are a trader, you are a gambler. And whether or not you accept the fact, it is a fact that you are going up against the wealthiest, most powerful, and most corrupt people/organizations in the world.

Yes, we Sonicers have a very successful thread here, partly due to the elegantly simple and effective method of trading, and partly due to the healthy respect for, and growing knowledge of how to combat, the price manipulation we face every day in the market run by these corrupt, greedy Robber Banks/MMs.

Welcome to the Sonic R. System!

-tah

P.S.: As far as posting updates on trades every time the MMs whip or whack price against trades, and then when they whack or whip the price back in the direction of trades, well.......this is totally unmanageable! I am not a signals service! No one is paying me to do what I do to contribute here. I have no time for it. If you would like to start that practice regarding your own posted trades, you are welcome to do so. It is a good idea, and I am sure others here would like you to do it if you have the time to do it and don't mind putting in all the extra work to do it.
  • #77,040
  • Oct 23, 2014 1:16pm Oct 23, 2014 1:16pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} ....there is no doubt it is worth checking out Morgan, What makes this thread different from the others is we talk about how the market really works here. The market is a business run for profits by the Robber Banks/MMs that make the market; supply liquidity for the market to function. They don't run their business out of goodness. And they don't run it out of a desire for "reasonable" profits. They run it out of extreme greed for all the money they can possibly steal from others. Period! Most people believe - as the "market" wants them...
It is great reading, it doesent cost a dime to throw in the words i totally agree. The most powerful people here on the world are in the drivers seat, and they control everything.

It is for me totally clear that our monotary system are built to create bankruptecy, all money is mortage, as lon as we have something called interests the debt will grew at an incredibly speed compared to liqudity. If you loan 200k$ from the bank the chances are that you paid 300k$ when debt free, where does that extra money come from?

It was quite interesting reading you post, but it did not awake me since im already aware of that fact.


Still I disagree in one thing, trading with consistent rules arent gambling. You will have loosing days, somedays the market will kick your face. But if we manage to go on without crying and still stay consisten without emotions we will recover as long as the profits are greater than the losses and we carry on with strict money managment rules i doubt you ever will blow your entire account.

Obviously if you are loosing more than earning you would have to reconsider what you are doing before proceding on.

At least I am more up to high probability trades, if i get stopped out 4 of 10 times im still in profit, if the market does something spectacular im not to worried, my SL will get hit and it was a calculated loss.
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