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  • #76,661
  • Edited 2:23pm Oct 8, 2014 1:24pm | Edited 2:23pm
Quoting FxAndres
Hello again if any Sonic R support is here i want show this. I dont know if im wrong , but this mean exausthion? Price is near on the top after big raise , but volume has gone {image}
FxAndres,

You might be on demo, and you might be thinking all this experimentation on demo is okay and fun to do, but let me tell you, you are developing very bad habits! I guarantee you, if you keep this up, you will likely never be a successful trader. If and when you attempt to trade for real, you will lose your money.

You keep soliciting advice and comments. You have received plenty enough already such that you should not be doing what you are doing. You are attempting to pick tops/bottoms in anticipation the price will capitulate to your trade direction. Again I ask you, have you even bothered to do a respectable job on your Post #1 Homework? If so, you know what a Classic setup looks like. You are playing with fire. The question is, are you too undisciplined to care.

-tah
  • #76,662
  • Edited 2:47pm Oct 8, 2014 1:35pm | Edited 2:47pm
Quoting traderathome
GBPUSD Long Trade Open: Classic entry, pre-LS. This is not a qualified Classic setup. The most recent PA wave is bullish and the Dragon is angling up, but the Trend is still angled down and the Dragon is below the Trend. And, of course, this is not the LS. This entry is based on the fact that the Asian session MMs started things off with a small whack from which the price quickly rebounded. Furthermore, the M15 PA at the lows is an inverted H&S with the current PA being at the neckline of this H&S. {image}
GBPUSD Long Trade Closed:

Closed for gain of 70.0 pips average, 699.8 pips total.

I dug myself quite a hole during this super-lousy trading on my part. I ignored my initial SL and added in the red, and added in the red, and added in the red. I post this because: 1) it is the completion of a previously posted initiation of a trade, and 2) as an example of what not to do!

Like Master Sonicdeejay says, "A good trader gets out when wrong. A great trader reverses!" I could have made profits in both directions.

Edit: I had a PM from a Sonicer on this post. He mistook some of what I said as bragging. Sonicers, let me make this perfectly clear. My intent here is to: 1) complete the posting of a previously opened trade, and 2) demonstrate what not to do. I am ashamed of this trade and I count myself lucky to be out of it without loss, because I have had too many others of this nature that ended in red, red, red losses! This is what comes of developing habits that are bad. They are not easily changed into good habits. It is a very, very bad habit to let a trade run deep red. And it is worse to add when that happens. Like Sonic said, "A good trader gets out when wrong......" I obviously was not a good trader on this one because I let this trade run too red AND I then added to it! That is the message I most want to communicate to all Sonicers.
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  • #76,663
  • Oct 8, 2014 2:10pm Oct 8, 2014 2:10pm
Quoting traderathome
EURGBP: Sonicers, we might also be on the lookout for a Classic short setup on this pair. The Day chart shows the MMs now have the price back up to a significant SR area, from which it could bounce back down. You can see on the attached H1 chart that both the London and US MMs have been engaged in pushing up the price on this pair today. Right now, this appears very bullish, but PA always does just before the MMs initiate price reversals. The key here is to be patient. As Sonic says, "It is too late to long and too early to short". If I am right...

EURGBP Short Trade Open:

M5 Classic entry. However, LS is over and Dragon was not below Trend. On the good side: Dragon down, Trend down, PA below both, and this has had a bull swing of 100+ pips taking price up to key SR, which can be seen on Day chart.

No TP or SL at this time. GBP releases tomorrow. Asian session MMs might whip this back up, maybe to the highs and maybe even above the upper whole number, because they have not had a chance to accumulate shorts at those prices. So might the Frankfurt and London MMs. Until then, I won't attempt to place a SL or decide on a target.
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  • #76,664
  • Oct 8, 2014 6:01pm Oct 8, 2014 6:01pm
Quoting Nestledrink
{quote} I haven't tried applying Sonic R classic entry on 4 Hours timeframe charts. How long have you been doing it and how is it performing?
Well playing H4 with sonic surely is different. My GBPJPY entry is one example. My rules are: (a) below the dragon (b) trend line heading down (c) price below trend heading (d) entry in London Session, i have another one actually, when the dragon trend and line trend has crossed, but since 4 out of 5 checked, i made the entry.
Still not done yet, as MM has not driven to 170, yet. Did i have the patient, and conviction to do it? (these questions keep running in my head). Sonic rules can be applied to any timeframe, i believe. But with LS rule, more suitable to below H1 timeframe.
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  • #76,665
  • Oct 8, 2014 6:24pm Oct 8, 2014 6:24pm
What time frame suitable for sonicers? My personal opinion: M15. Before i post about H4 entry, here i post H1 entry. All entries H1 and up, usually stay more than 24 hours. I think it will give you mental stressed. Read back all the sonicers entries, and timeframe they use, M15 entries usually end up below 24 hours. Any suggestions?
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  • #76,666
  • Oct 8, 2014 6:58pm Oct 8, 2014 6:58pm
Quoting AdrianC
{quote} Hi Prof Tah, Nice timing Let's ride this roller coaster~ -AdrianC.
roller coaster on other direction. Lucky did not entered short on this one. The channel trend and fibs did play important role as well.
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  • #76,667
  • Oct 8, 2014 7:16pm Oct 8, 2014 7:16pm
The Classic Setup and Various Time Frame Charts

Master Sonicdeejay selected the M15 chart as the "best" time frame to trade on, just as he selected EURUSD as the "best" forex pair to trade. Does that mean a trader cannot apply the setup to a different time frame chart, or a different forex pair? No. Of course a trader can do these things. But, what are the differences, or consequences of doing so?

If you look at a Day chart that shows price action has just created a Classic setup, you will quickly see that the entry price is far removed from the last significant high or low on the chart. This should not come as a surprise. We know the Sonic R. System is not a top/bottom picking system. It is predicated on certain conditions that can be signals of trade direction as well as momentum to carry the trade to profit. Yes, even on a Day chart, there are times of varying momentum! So, if one wants to try and capture more of those "lost" pips profit, just drop down to a lower TF chart. That will place the Classic setup closer to tops/bottoms. If you carry this to the extreme, you will find yourself on the M1 chart. Now, the Classic setup is much closer to tops/bottoms. Is there a consequence? Yes. The entry area for the Classic setup is also now closer to the first substantial "stop/pause" or "stop/retrace" area that is "sized" for that time frame chart! You see, as you move down in TF charts the charts begin to show Classic setups in the opposite direction as well!

The M15 chart shows Classic setups in the direction of the prevailing trend, as well as opposite. Both can be traded for profits, but the counter trend setup needs to be, as Sonic says, "...watched like a hawk..." As you move up in chart TF, fewer if any Classic setups show up for the retraces in the trend. Thus, there are fewer fresh Classic setup trading opportunities for the trader. If you move down in chart TF, more Classic setups show up, but their "life span" is significantly reduced,....reduced profits in an environment where the cost of trading spreads/commissions are not reduced.

Master Sonicdeejay believes the M15 chart is overall the most suited to overall the most traders. And helping the most traders become more successful is what the Sonic R. System and this thread is all about.

-tah
  • #76,668
  • Edited 8:03pm Oct 8, 2014 7:21pm | Edited 8:03pm
AUDUSD:

Sonicers, AUD high impact releases in less than ten minutes. Yesterday, the MMs pumped the price back up in the down trend. Admittedly, price could go either way. My personal guess is that if the price goes up, it will only be to gain even more altitude so the MMs can obtain new shorts at higher prices. Time will tell.

M15 is not even close to a setup at this time. With the USD high impact release later today, we might get one.
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Edit: Okay, almost a half hour has passed since those AUD high impacts. My take on the PA is that the MMs went on a shorting spree that took the price quickly down. And then they manipulated the price right back up again. Hence, they are extreme bears now, and will be supporting the price probably at least until the coming USD release, so they can suck in longs to get ongoing liquidity to continue to accumulate short orders in this price area or higher. Note that the price is already 50 pips above RWH, and they might even get it up to RDH - almost 100 pips above RWH! - before removing their support of the price and driving it down.
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  • #76,669
  • Oct 8, 2014 8:08pm Oct 8, 2014 8:08pm
Quoting bolehbah69
{quote} roller coaster on other direction. Lucky did not entered short on this one. The channel trend and fibs did play important role as well. {image}
Hehe, I closed this before Lc. Book my profit on book.
Congrats for the massive pips

-AdrianC.
  • #76,670
  • Oct 8, 2014 8:27pm Oct 8, 2014 8:27pm
USDJPY:

1. Week is strong down. Price is already below RWL.
2. H4 shows price consolidating below Dragon-Trend, and with a recent price spike up which likely indicates MM manipulation to accumulate shorts at higher prices.
3. M15 shows that in more detail. Yesterday, after the close of the LS, the US MMs manipulated the price up another 25+ pips and then suddenly went on a shorting spree. That the price has not gone back up might be an indication of large short orders sitting above the more recent highs, now that everyone knows what the MM's game plan is.

Of course, if the MMs are planning to whack this, maybe in conjunction with the coming USD release, these thieves might also whip it up again - Stop Hunt shorts - before cancelling their support of the price and pulling the rug out from under it.
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  • #76,671
  • Oct 8, 2014 8:45pm Oct 8, 2014 8:45pm
Quoting bolehbah69
{quote} roller coaster on other direction. Lucky did not entered short on this one. The channel trend and fibs did play important role as well. {image}
bolehbah69,

Your chart does not expand, and I cannot read anything on it due to such small display. Please repost a chart that is expandable, so myself as well as all Sonicers can see it!

-tah
  • #76,672
  • Oct 8, 2014 8:57pm Oct 8, 2014 8:57pm
I'm quite new to this thread (lurking about 3 weeks) but I must say I'm very impressed by the strong leadership / mentor-ship of TaH, Sonic and others. I am studying the post #1 links, re-reading examples and trying to follow along with recent threads. I find the discussions of entry points as well and analysis of closed trades very enlightening. Unfortunately my hindsight is much clearer than my foresight and thus I haven't been on the plus side pip-wise yet but I'm patient. Hopefully my performance will improve.

pgq
  • #76,673
  • Edited 9:14pm Oct 8, 2014 9:01pm | Edited 9:14pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} bolehbah69, Your chart does not expand, and I cannot read anything on it due to such small display. Please repost a chart that is expandable, so myself as well as all Sonicers can see it! -tah
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picture analysis belong/credit to a retail trader(trantula) on ff

not to offense but some support and resistance area like fibo/trend line channel, previous buy/sell area are important as volume itself, you cant depend only volume its own. Secondly, you should really follow the movement of MMs, even the you said the mms is going to move price up and move it down later, meanwhile it move it up, we dont know how many pips they capable of moving it up, so why dont you just join the MMs take the profit and close it later once there is some sign they moving it down.

just my opinion.
  • #76,674
  • Oct 8, 2014 9:13pm Oct 8, 2014 9:13pm
Quoting pquin
I'm quite new to this thread (lurking about 3 weeks) but I must say I'm very impressed by the strong leadership / mentor-ship of TaH, Sonic and others. I am studying the post #1 links, re-reading examples and trying to follow along with recent threads. I find the discussions of entry points as well and analysis of closed trades very enlightening. Unfortunately my hindsight is much clearer than my foresight and thus I haven't been on the plus side pip-wise yet but I'm patient. Hopefully my performance will improve. pgq
Welcome, and good luck.

-AdrianC.
  • #76,675
  • Edited 10:12pm Oct 8, 2014 9:41pm | Edited 10:12pm
Quoting bolehbah69
{quote} {image} picture analysis belong/credit to a retail trader(trantula) on ff not to offense but some support and resistance area like fibo/trend line channel, previous buy/sell area are important as volume itself, you cant depend only volume its own. Secondly, you should really follow the movement of MMs, even the you said the mms is going to move price up and move it down later, meanwhile it move it up, we dont know how many pips they capable of moving it up, so why dont you just join the MMs take the profit and close it later once there is...
bolehbah69,

No offense taken. I agree with your opinion, too. I frequently use the FR tool and sometimes the FE tool to gauge retraces and runs. Trend lines can be important too, especially on real large TFs to gauge possible areas where price might move to. Invariably, the intersection of a TL with whole and half numbers are prime candiates for when such moves arrive at a TL.

Buy and sell areas, consolidation areas.......these are all covered by the term S&R. And knowing S&R is fundamental to the Sonic R. System.

But, in the end, whole and half number areas are the most predominant markers of the ends of bull and bear swings. All one has to do to confirm this is to show these levels on a DAY chart and see how the areas where prices make tops and bottoms are predominantly those areas of whole and half numbers. If not them, then the quarter levels. That's all one needs to see in order to see how simple things really are. It is knowing which ones are coming up next that is the difficult part. And we must remember that we are dealing with price areas, not specific prices. When the price is on the move and approaches a target that the MMs have for it, it will practically always overshoot or undershoot some specific level created by such utilities as pivots, the FR and FE tools and drawn trend lines. And the reason for this is that in periods of very high volatility, such as when price is running hard and reaching a "target", not even the MM's control of things is precise.

And thank you for replacing your chart. But, you could have saved space on the thread by revising your first post instead of adding a second. And next time, how about making the analysis one of your own, and using the Sonic R. System template when you post.

-tah
  • #76,676
  • Edited 11:07pm Oct 8, 2014 10:22pm | Edited 11:07pm
GBPAUD:

Sonicers, get ready. This continues to shape up as the prime candidate for the "Sleeper Trade of the Month" (see previous posts on this).

The H1 chart shows the MMs have just busted the price down thru a trend line to DS1. This has been done at a time when the AUD releases are done with some time ago and the GBP releases are coming up next. On the M1 chart you can see the incredible trading activity that began once the MMs had the price below the half number (PVSRA), all the way down to just below DS1!

It is enough to make one wonder if the MMs will get it down to the lower whole number area. This could happen with some whacking and whipping when the GBP releases come out. You can see from the third chart, wherein the FE tool is applied, the price could go a bit below that whole number.

This is a candidate for a Classic long setup, which if it comes should result in a very, very good long trade, imho.
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  • #76,677
  • Oct 8, 2014 11:13pm Oct 8, 2014 11:13pm
Quoting traderathome
GBPAUD: Sonicers, get ready. This continues to shape up as the prime candidate for the "Sleeper Trade of the Month" (see previous posts on this). The H1 chart shows the MMs have just busted the price down thru a trend line to DS1. This has been done at a time when the AUD releases are done with some time ago and the GBP releases are coming up next. On the M1 chart you can see the incredible trading activity that began once the MMs had the price below the half number (PVSRA), all the way down to just below DS1! It is enough to make one...
Tah, thank you for always doing and share your analysis public

-AdrianC.
  • #76,678
  • Oct 8, 2014 11:26pm Oct 8, 2014 11:26pm
Quoting AdrianC
{quote} Tah, thank you for always doing and share your analysis public -AdrianC.
AdrianC,

You are welcome. I am happy to do this. And it is nice to be surprised when occasionally an analysis works out!

-tah
  • #76,679
  • Oct 9, 2014 12:55am Oct 9, 2014 12:55am
Eur/GBP,

Everything seems to be in very nice setup, raising wedge (H1), classic setup (M15), very high volume, high volume rejection. Entry taken, SL above the whole number. TP not set, seems like price will go down to arround 0.78000.
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Born to fuck
  • #76,680
  • Oct 9, 2014 3:20am Oct 9, 2014 3:20am
EURGBP
Handle with care! Sandwich between whole & half.

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-AdrianC.
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