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  • #75,461
  • Aug 26, 2014 6:26pm Aug 26, 2014 6:26pm
Quoting porfirio
eur-gbp...up .... 8.13... ????? I think you expel when they want do not care that you win with them {image}
porfirio,

Whatever chart you are trying to post, it is not of the Sonic R. System. Please read and comply with all of Post #1 rules and recommendations before continuing to post. This thread is for the demonstration and teaching of the Sonic R. System. It is not a bulletin board thread. Please comply if you wish to retain your posting privilege.

I have also sent you a PM about this.

Thank you,
-tah
  • #75,462
  • Aug 26, 2014 6:26pm Aug 26, 2014 6:26pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} According to the released templates, "Chart on foreground" should not be checked! If it is checked, you can have problems with the display of the Access Panel and the Trade Levels, both of which are meant to be used with this unchecked. {image}
Yes. Your're right. I should have put template for Sonic. But I put it from another template (of analysis to higher timeframes). Thanks for the correction.
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  • #75,463
  • Aug 26, 2014 6:33pm Aug 26, 2014 6:33pm
Quoting porfirio
eur-gbp...up .... 8.13... ????? I think you expel when they want do not care that you win with them {image}
Okay. This is not a matter to discuss in this thread, too many post. I suggest you talk in private.
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  • #75,464
  • Aug 26, 2014 6:47pm Aug 26, 2014 6:47pm
ok...sorry

just looking for help

bye Bye
  • #75,465
  • Aug 26, 2014 7:04pm Aug 26, 2014 7:04pm
NZDJPY Long Trade Opened:

Classic entry. Apparent reversal at half level.
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  • #75,466
  • Edited 8:33pm Aug 26, 2014 7:05pm | Edited 8:33pm
Quoting sonicdeejay
Here is why.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfySK7CLEEg {image} Sonic
GBPUSD, EURUSD and volumes.

Hello sonicdeejay. Not replied to your post yesterday, because I thought that maybe happen today. But it did not happen.

There is a similarity between GBPUSD and EURUSD, in volume, in terms of size and time, followed by a gap.

There is some reason that you did not show in your post, which has made ​​the EURUSD did not react like the GBPUSD?

Thank you.
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  • #75,467
  • Aug 26, 2014 7:24pm Aug 26, 2014 7:24pm
EU so bearish...​
  • #75,468
  • Aug 26, 2014 7:34pm Aug 26, 2014 7:34pm
hard manipulation on cad pairs not usuall moves in aussie sesion last night this night too, your opinion
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  • #75,469
  • Aug 26, 2014 7:43pm Aug 26, 2014 7:43pm
Quoting Gold Miner
EU so bearish...​
I do not know if it reads in English: "Sell the news, buy the rumor".
Now what is news EURO weakness, so it's time to take bullish positions.
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  • #75,470
  • Aug 26, 2014 7:47pm Aug 26, 2014 7:47pm
Quoting Patron
{quote} GBPUSD, EURUSD and volumes. Hello sonicdeejay. Not replied to your post yesterday, because I thought that maybe happen today. But it did not happen. There is a similarity between GBPUSD and EURUSD, in volume, in terms of size and time, followed by a gap. Where are the buyers of EURUSD, if we receive similar information and react differently? Can I infer from this that the volume information and gap are not sufficient by itself? Thank you. {image} {image}
EU & GU:

"Can I infer from this that the volume information is not sufficient by itself?" -

Is not sufficient by itself to do what? Predict how price will move next?

Sonic might answer you, but here is my reaction to your question.......

Please keep in mind that PA by itself is insufficient to know how price will move next. Volume by itself is insufficient to know how price will move next. Where PA is relative to inter-day and intra-day swings is insufficient to know how price will move next. Where PA is relative to key S&R (or demand & supply) is insufficient to know how price will move next.

WHY?

So long as the Robber Banks/MMs have the ability and the right to suddenly whip or whack price in either or both directions anywhere up to 200 pips or more, in order to trigger wrong side pending orders and to trigger stops on right side positions, there is absolutely nothing that works 100% for the purpose that we would like it to work.

Simply put, we can NEVER know how price will move next. What we can do is stick to the Sonic R. System Classic entry setups, get better with time at qualifying them, and employ a sensible stop loss method.

The MMs might move one pair and hold back movement of another pair, even though logic says they should move similarly. The only logic that is accurate 100% of the time in this market is that the Robber Banks/MMs will do whatever they want to do in order to deceive traders, get them to trade on the wrong side, or get them to over trade on the right side, and then steal their money by whipping and whacking prices in a manner that no indicator ever invented can predict or deal with, and that includes PA itself as well as volume.

-tah
  • #75,471
  • Aug 26, 2014 8:17pm Aug 26, 2014 8:17pm
Quoting Patron
{quote} I do not know if it reads in English: "Sell the news, buy the rumor". Now what is news EURO weakness, so it's time to take bullish positions. {image}
Ya..I hope so.
  • #75,472
  • Aug 26, 2014 8:22pm Aug 26, 2014 8:22pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} EU & GU: "Can I infer from this that the volume information is not sufficient by itself?" - Is not sufficient by itself to do what? Predict how price will move next? Sonic might answer you, but here is my reaction to your question....... Please keep in mind that PA by itself is insufficient to know how price will move next. Volume by itself is insufficient to know how price will move next. Where PA is relative to inter-day and intra-day swings is insufficient to know how price will move next. Where PA is relative to key S&R (or demand &...
Sonicdeejay wrote: "There is why". And in chart exhibited two reasons, "buyers are in" and "out Gap Down to Shake Overleverage impatient longs and shorts sucked in ...".
In other words, he said that the reason for the reaction of the GBPUSD was the volume and gap.

It happened exactly the same in the EURUSD.

So I think there must be some difference, that made every pair react differently. So I ask Sonideejay, I do not know if it has been misunderstood in my previous post, What is the difference, I have not seen?

That's my question for Sonicdeejay.

Maybe I asked my question wrong in my previous post. I know that no signal alone works. But I have provoked their response to a bad formulation. Agree.

Anyway, I am not satisfied with just market manipulation as answer to everything. Seeking more answers. And if there are more answers and forgot Sonicdeejay reference, I would like to know.

I hope he understands my question.
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  • #75,473
  • Aug 26, 2014 10:09pm Aug 26, 2014 10:09pm
Quoting Patron
{quote} Sonicdeejay wrote: "There is why". And in chart exhibited two reasons, "buyers are in" and "out Gap Down to Shake Overleverage impatient longs and shorts sucked in ...". In other words, he said that the reason for the reaction of the GBPUSD was the volume and gap. It happened exactly the same in the EURUSD. So I think there must be some difference, that made every pair react differently. So I ask Sonideejay, I do not know if it has been misunderstood in my previous post, What is the difference, I have not seen? That's my question for Sonicdeejay....

Market manipulation is the answer to everything.
  • #75,474
  • Edited 10:42pm Aug 26, 2014 10:31pm | Edited 10:42pm
Quoting Ck87
{quote} Market manipulation is the answer to everything.
Yes, in a broad sense, that is very true.

I do understand where Patron is coming from, though. What are the reasons behind what the MMs do that makes them understand which way to manipulate prices for their own profits? Or to do nothing with price but stagnate it, because that too can cause traders to fold, coughing up liquidity for the MMs just as though they had been stopped out or liquidated out from a margin call.

Unfortunately, it does us no good to understand what it is that the MMs understand, and which makes them manipulate (whip, whack or stagnate) prices in the manner that they do, because they have enough money to use reverse psychology, muddy the waters, and end up stealing even more.

Does it help a trader to know, or think he knows, why price moves the way it does? Or is a trader better off trading in an "information vacuum" and just tending to his charts? It is the latter. And when the trader wants to know why something "here" moves when something "there" did not, well,.....that is a fruitless rabbit trail. It is a waste of time. The reason does not matter and will not be found on the charts.

Just trade the chart. They are what they are and for reasons that do not matter because even if you knew the reasons, it would not change the chart and the next time such a reason comes around, you can bet the chart will be different anyway. If you do not like what you see on a chart, don't trade it. But don't waste your time trying to understand why the chart is the way it is.

Sonic has often said "Trade what the market gives". He did not add, "Only if you understand why." We trade what the market gives when the market gives the right stuff, according to our system. That is all that matters. Like pairs not moving in like fashion? Who cares! It doesn't matter! And if we could know why, that still wouldn't change the charts.
  • #75,475
  • Edited 10:49pm Aug 26, 2014 10:38pm | Edited 10:49pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Yes, in a broad sense, that is very true. I do understand where Patron is coming from, though. What are the reasons behind what the MMs do that makes them understand which way to manipulate prices for their own profits? Or to do nothing with price but stagnate it, because that too can cause traders to fold, coughing up liquidity for the MMs just as though they had been stopped out or liquidated out from a margin call. Unfortunately, it does us no good to understand what it is that the MMs understand, and which makes them manipulate (whip,...

What do you think about long term investing vs short term trading? To me it seems the highest probability for profit is in the long term investing. Ie. EUR/USD above 1.38-1.39 was so obviously overbought long term and it was, to me at least, a clear case of the robber banks driving price up to destroy all the shorts that knew the fundamentals and knew EU will be weak long term.

Of course that wouldn't stop being robbed if you were shorting on the way up… but eventually, as long as you had good MM, long term investors shorting EU are making really good pips now.

In trading terms, I guess you can label long term investing as sticking to the D1 and higher charts.. maybe even Weekly and higher..
  • #75,476
  • Aug 26, 2014 10:53pm Aug 26, 2014 10:53pm
Quoting Ck87
{quote} What do you think about long term investing vs short term trading? To me it seems the highest probability for profit is in the long term investing. Ie. EUR/USD above 1.38-1.39 was so obviously overbought long term and it was, to me at least, a clear case of the robber banks driving price up to destroy all the shorts that knew the fundamentals and knew EU will be weak long term. Of course that wouldn't stop being robbed if you were shorting on the way up… but eventually, as long as you had good MM, long term investors shorting EU are making...
That is a good question. Everyone has an opinion. Some factors can come into play that make one way better for some, while the other better for others, including the personality and temperament of the trader, the time the trader has during the week to monitor trading, and the willingness to leave trades running thru steep pullbacks, and whether they can hedge or not. Lots of factors. Each person eventually finds what suits them.
  • #75,477
  • Aug 26, 2014 11:13pm Aug 26, 2014 11:13pm
Quoting feinan
{quote} indexes volume are smoother and have better information, better than Forex.. its all about stop hunting, trade what they give.. feinan

Indexes is so tempted to me... But my broker require minimum 1 lot in order to place order for index... is yours same?
I just want to trade forex
  • #75,478
  • Aug 27, 2014 1:38am Aug 27, 2014 1:38am
GBPUSD maybe something change
D1 area support H4 Double bottom

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  • #75,479
  • Aug 27, 2014 6:08am Aug 27, 2014 6:08am
USDCAD

I placed my first short trade on the 18th based on the whip and increasing bearish volume. I am not proud of my second entry and both the second and third entries were high risk as I was in the red, but these positions were able to help me get out with profit as price dropped back down to RWL.

I'm pretty impressed with the placement of my first trade as I could have placed a long instead and gotten out sooner but that would not have fit with the rules.
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  • #75,480
  • Aug 27, 2014 6:11am Aug 27, 2014 6:11am
Quoting Ck87
{quote} Market manipulation is the answer to everything.
Wrong answer. Suspended as a businessman or trader.
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