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  • #915,721
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:07pm Aug 9, 2014 3:07pm
@EURUSDD


MIss-priced by whom ? .. the market ?


if so.. how can a miss-priced situation occure... ?


u talk about single bars.. but as u know the market and price is in a continous flow and actually doesent care about single bars.. etc...
its all about marketing itself to fasciliate a trade that is all there is to it.. and to some price is either at an unfair or fair value.. so how does miss-pricing fits into this ?
  • #915,722
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:14pm Aug 9, 2014 3:14pm
Quoting Ken A
Be truthful and honest, then maybe then will have serious discussion. Otherwise, just another circus clowns con-artist selling confidence and nothing more. This place is already full of scammers no need to teach them to get smarter and smarter with knowledge to scam the noobs.
What is really depressing is that these scammers are not even smart, they are just unscrupulous.
Fix up, trade sharp ...
  • #915,723
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:17pm Aug 9, 2014 3:17pm
Quoting Ken A
{quote} Still no one can answer the WHEN before the fact. Solution: using no stop loss, wishing, praying, waiting for price to come back to get out at breakeven or small profits. Genius, absolutely genius you really have Le Holy Grail
timing is a bitch..
  • #915,724
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:19pm Aug 9, 2014 3:19pm
Quoting PrymeTyme
@EURUSDD MIss-priced by whom ? .. the market ? if so.. how can a miss-priced situation occure... ? u talk about single bars.. but as u know the market and price is in a continous flow and actually doesent care about single bars.. etc... its all about marketing itself to fasciliate a trade that is all there is to it.. and to some price is either at an unfair or fair value.. so how does miss-pricing fits into this ?
Mis-prising is identified through the similarity principle. The fractal nature of price flow implies that there are certain prices where all indicators should agree on every possible time frame.
For example, suppose you put zigzag indicators with the following parametrs

12-5-3
24-5-3
32-5-3
45-65-4
-
-
-
-
-
etc
on the 1hr timeframe. There will be certain prices or bars where all those zigzags will give the same value(ie have a leg ending there). usually, it is accepted that if the leg of a zigzag indicator with a higher parameter(ie. 24-5-3) ends at a given price, then all zigzags with smaller parameters should also end there. If one of the smaller zigzags do not end there, we have mis-pricing of the 1st degree.

The market will correct it by returning to that price. The correction will end after all zigzags finally agree.

Now, there are optimal timeframes to choose in order to represent all players in the market.

This is just a basic way to identify 1st degree mis-pricing in the market. It is an intrinsic property and independent of the underlying process.
  • #915,725
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:25pm Aug 9, 2014 3:25pm
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote} Mis-prising is identified through the similarity principle. The fractal nature of price flow implies that there are certain prices where all indicators should agree on every possible time frame. For example, suppose you put zigzag indicators with the following parametrs 12-5-3 24-5-3 32-5-3 45-65-4 - - - - - etc on the 1hr timeframe. There will be certain prices or bars where all those zigzags will give the same value(ie have a let ending there). usually, it is accepted that if the leg of a zigzag indicator with a higher parameter(ie. 24-5-3)...

now aside from the zigzag indy...

its all about the market participants .. so if smaller TF players agree on price VS. bigger TF players , the smaller ones are in the terretory of the deep pocket players and usually sit on the the shorthand side.. ie. puke sooner if price turns against them..

so the fractal part is.. small TF players agree on price against each other.. till they lift or move price in the terretory of bigger TF players.. and if one or the other doesnt agree.. we have a misspricing ?

usually against smaller TF players ?? right ?
  • #915,726
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:32pm Aug 9, 2014 3:32pm
Quoting Eurusdd
in the few minutes, I am going to post a series of pictures to justify whay I called a problem at 1.33364. Two years ago, I managed to find a crude way to adapt a similarity principle to mt4 charts. I used 24 different timeframes and found out that the optimal numbers that can spot mis-pricing for the forex random process or processes governed by human emotions are 2, 3 and 4. In the pictures below, a mis-pricing is identified when the low/high of a bar is not accompanied by an omega eventually in the direction of the market at that time. I will...

Hi Eurusdd,

Thanks for your effort and explanations.

I examine your examples and notice that a problem is corrected after a bar with omega is formed in an opposite direction. You often said every little up is a chance to sell. Why don't make a call at opening of a bar after omega bar? This way i don't se to get more than 20 pips off course.
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  • #915,727
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:33pm Aug 9, 2014 3:33pm
Quoting PrymeTyme
{quote} now aside from the zigzag indy... its all about the market participants .. so if smaller TF players agree on price VS. bigger TF players , the smaller ones are in the terretory of the deep pocket players and usually sit on the the shorthand side.. ie. puke sooner if price turns against them.. so the fractal part is.. small TF players agree on price against each other.. till they lift or move price in the terretory of bigger TF players.. and if one or the other doesnt agree.. we have a misspricing ? usually against smaller TF players ?? right...
You are there. That is one of the reason, it is very difficult to create a mis-price opportunity on higher time-frames.
Reasons:
1: Correcting them will be difficult
2: fewer participant trade those timeframes
3: trends are more well-defined!


for example there is no mis-price bar on the bi-monthly( and higher time-frames) chart since 1990. The flow is cute and perfect.
  • #915,728
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:36pm Aug 9, 2014 3:36pm
Juice!!!!! is this thing still going on?
  • #915,729
  • Edited 3:39pm Aug 9, 2014 3:37pm | Edited 3:39pm
Quoting MrNow
Juice!!!!! is this thing still going on?

Nah , all cool in here..

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  • #915,730
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:44pm Aug 9, 2014 3:44pm
Quoting MrNow
{quote} Good! Any good conclusion?

yea, buy low sell high.. cut losses and let winners run ....
  • #915,731
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:44pm Aug 9, 2014 3:44pm
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote} I hope you are not going to use that chart to capture an intrinsic property of the market: mis-priced bars. Those arrows,are no where close. Maybe for something else. Those arrows will fail in a strong trending market. They can't capture the real problem bars because : from what I see, you are limited to one time-frame. also, comparing your chart to mine for 15mins, you are way off.
Thank you very much for your answer.

Folio
  • #915,732
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:47pm Aug 9, 2014 3:47pm
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote} Now we have a problem: In the history, all mis-pricing bars were corrected. If this info gets out there, and more people start to llok at the concept: the market may punish us eventually. That is why the source of your signal should be a guarded secret. LET the market be unaware of what you are observing!
Im glad I dont care because I have my own method but have fun destroying your own method. Serious question, are you into sadomasochism?
Either that or you simply have zero experience of how the human mind works with info. And you even wish to work for a financial institution with this mindset? Do you honestly think they will EVER hire you considering a pledge of discretion? I dont like calling out names but this is ignorance of the highest degree.
  • #915,733
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:48pm Aug 9, 2014 3:48pm
Quoting MrNow
{quote} I see a bit like "Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvB5dQHvRSc

yea .. but dirty ..


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  • #915,734
  • Aug 9, 2014 3:54pm Aug 9, 2014 3:54pm
Quoting Robertk
{quote} Im glad I dont care because I have my own method but have fun destroying your own method. Serious question, are you into sadomasochism? Either that or you simply have zero experience of how the human mind works with info.
Let me help you. consider a sub-atomic particle. When you are not watching it, it behaves like a wave. can be everywhere at the same time. The wave function governs the probabilities. But the moment, you try to observe it: the wave function collapses to one particular state and the atomic particle behaves like a particle. I don't know if you have enough sophistication to deal with the complex truth. I don't think you know what this fact means.!!!

To beat this market consistently, till you leave this planet: it is better to keep your method close to your heart!!! Let the market(atomic particle) believe you the observer does not exist. In that way, the market will behave like a wave - showing all her flaws. But the moment you make yourself available, she will adapt to your observation and behave like a particle!

I have more sophisticated methods so I am not worried about the market adapting to this one.
  • #915,735
  • Aug 9, 2014 4:00pm Aug 9, 2014 4:00pm
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote} Let me help you. consider a sub-atomic particle. When you are not watching it, it behaves like a wave. can be everywhere at the same time. The wave function governs the probabilities. But the moment, you try to observe it: the wave function collapses to one particular state and the atomic particle behaves like a particle. I don't know if you have enough sophistication to deal with the complex truth. I don't think you know what this fact means.!!! To beat this market consistently, till you leave this planet: it is better to keep your method...

i see what u did there .. quantum physics...
  • #915,736
  • Aug 9, 2014 4:00pm Aug 9, 2014 4:00pm
When market open pairs that have good potential:

USDATM
USDNUT
USDLIE
IOUUSD
  • #915,737
  • Aug 9, 2014 4:02pm Aug 9, 2014 4:02pm
Quoting Ken A
When market open pairs that have good potential: USDATM USDNUT USDLIE IOUUSD
dont u forget


LOLUSD !!!
  • #915,738
  • Aug 9, 2014 4:03pm Aug 9, 2014 4:03pm
Quoting Eurusdd
{quote} Let me help you. consider a sub-atomic particle. When you are not watching it, it behaves like a wave. can be everywhere at the same time. The wave function governs the probabilities. But the moment, you try to observe it: the wave function collapses to one particular state and the atomic particle behaves like a particle. I don't know if you have enough sophistication to deal with the complex truth. I don't think you know what this fact means.!!! To beat this market consistently, till you leave this planet: it is better to keep your method...
I can try to come up with an "intelligent" question regarding quantum mechanics but quite frankly a much more short and simple answer will be just fine for now. Financial institutions like discretion, you dont have it.
  • #915,739
  • Aug 9, 2014 4:06pm Aug 9, 2014 4:06pm
Quoting PrymeTyme
{quote} i see what u did there .. quantum physics...
sure, I expected you to know,
Now let me just add this:

The key trick is to be invisible to the market so that it does not adapt to your existence. that means the way you make money from her should be managed in such a way that your existence is not known. Greedy people will want to make billions only to lose it after their existence is uncovered.
Let the market shows her flaws to you. nice weekend.
  • #915,740
  • Aug 9, 2014 4:07pm Aug 9, 2014 4:07pm
Quoting Robertk
{quote} I can try to come up with an "intelligent" question regarding quantum mechanics but quite frankly a much more short and simple answer will be just fine for now. Financial institutions like discretion, you dont have it.
financial institutions play a whole different game... they are marketing experts.. ie. make belive.. in order to sell something.. and cash in

they dont predict.. they make it happen... if not .. they lose , they just lose..
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