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  • #73,601
  • Jun 24, 2014 10:47am Jun 24, 2014 10:47am
Quoting Patron
{quote} You want to convince me that a good entry is bad? Thanks for your interest. But we will never understand. I'm too stupid to figure out what to do MMs. So I never think of the MMs. And I take positions by Classics or price action. You send me to post 1 with laughter? I've read many times the post 1. And there does not speak of ghosts, speaking of the system and the type of trading that yes I understand perfectly. As for the pdf, I read at the time, and I stayed with what I consider is right.
im not laughing you, the post 1, there is couple of pdf explained pvsra, if you have read and understand it, you should know why is the classic entry goes bad. You found your classic long, everything seem good and logic, but the pvsra telling you that MMs are bear.. you jump in to long... bang... you become liquidity..

i have bookmarked a post, by a guy some times ago, i use it as guidance before i jump in to open any position,

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...12#post7466312

hope it can help you, im still in learning phase, those comment just my opinion, no need to argue anything here..
  • #73,602
  • Jun 24, 2014 10:49am Jun 24, 2014 10:49am
Quoting bolehbah69
{quote} im not laughing you, the post 1, there is couple of pdf explained pvsra, if you have read and understand it, you should know why is the classic entry goes bad. You found your classic long, everything seem good and logic, but the pvsra telling you that MMs are bear.. you jump in to long... bang... you become liquidity.. i have bookmarked a post, by a guys some times ago, i use it as guidance before i jump in to open any position, http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...12#post7466312 hope it can help you, im still in...
bolehbah69,

you do your homework well.
Keep it up, may the God of Pips be with you.

-AdrianC.
  • #73,603
  • Jun 24, 2014 10:51am Jun 24, 2014 10:51am
Quoting bolehbah69
{quote} im not laughing you, the post 1, there is couple of pdf explained pvsra, if you have read and understand it, you should know why is the classic entry goes bad. You found your classic long, everything seem good and logic, but the pvsra telling you that MMs are bear.. you jump in to long... bang... you become liquidity.. i have bookmarked a post, by a guy some times ago, i use it as guidance before i jump in to open any position, http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...12#post7466312 hope it can help you, im still in learning...
Okay, thanks for everything. Bye.
Donde hay Patron no manda Marinero
  • #73,604
  • Jun 24, 2014 10:59am Jun 24, 2014 10:59am
Quoting Patron
{quote} I did not understand anything, neither. At the opening of London, "EURUSD" was clearly bullish, for whatever reason (liquidity or whatever). It's that simple. The MMs do what they want, I will not guess. Technically the pair was rising, why I have to assume that the price will go down? Is the volume? The volume accompanied, as it should, the upside breakout. The dragon rises, the trend is up Why sell? Price action is the best trigger, after the analysis. Imagination only leads to losses or huge drawdowns. {image}
I agree with you.

EU - bullish to me and I'm holding my longs.
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Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
  • #73,605
  • Jun 24, 2014 11:21am Jun 24, 2014 11:21am
Quoting antonmn
The classics AUDUSD NZDUSD please forgive me for all the clutter {image} {image}
Well done

But I only see one classic there. NZDUSD second entry, others are scouts.
Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
  • #73,606
  • Jun 24, 2014 11:22am Jun 24, 2014 11:22am
Quoting FXRobert
EURGBP open and closed {image}
Quoting FXRobert
{quote} by mistake I closed {image}
Wow
Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
  • #73,607
  • Jun 24, 2014 12:02pm Jun 24, 2014 12:02pm
Quoting loeil
{quote} Well done But I only see one classic there. NZDUSD second entry, others are scouts.
thanks
Years wandering the desert and laughter by the mirage
  • #73,608
  • Jun 24, 2014 1:58pm Jun 24, 2014 1:58pm
Quoting bolehbah69
{quote} im not laughing you, the post 1, there is couple of pdf explained pvsra, if you have read and understand it, you should know why is the classic entry goes bad. You found your classic long, everything seem good and logic, but the pvsra telling you that MMs are bear.. you jump in to long... bang... you become liquidity.. i have bookmarked a post, by a guy some times ago, i use it as guidance before i jump in to open any position, http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...12#post7466312 hope it can help you, im still in learning...
bolehbah69,

Thanks for posting that link. Those types of examples help me to understand the Sonic R. System better and better. Along with all the pdf's that others put together to help the community I thank all who contribute. I have yet to read the WHOLE thread yet but am getting there.

Cheers!
  • #73,609
  • Jun 24, 2014 2:04pm Jun 24, 2014 2:04pm
Quoting FXRobert
EURGBP open and closed {image}
Well done!

P.S Exams period but I'm still here.
  • #73,610
  • Jun 24, 2014 2:19pm Jun 24, 2014 2:19pm
Did Wednesday's USD high impact news release just become available to the MM's message boards, or have I just been watching too many conspiracy movies??
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  • #73,611
  • Edited 2:43pm Jun 24, 2014 2:27pm | Edited 2:43pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} You do not understand PVSRA. That is why you do not understand what is going here. In spite of EU historic PA, EU is not really all that bullish anymore. If you want to get up to speed here, you will find everything thru Post #1. -tah {image}
Quoting Patron
{quote} If you request me to sell in this situation (red circle area), you are right I do not understand anything. For me, it is very clear the trade: BUY. I trade with a system, not assumptions. And you will never convince me that sells in that situation. {image}
Patron,

Do not put words into my mouth. I did not request you to sell, or to buy, or to do anything. I simply stated that you do not understand PVSRA.

From the time of my post pointing out EU bearishness, the following PA took a 33+ pips drop. The day range is about 44 pips, so I consider those PVSRA clues to have proven their worth.

Furthermore, after the close of the LS, in after hours when it is easier for MMs to move prices and get the lions share of liquidity when they do, they moved the price back above the whole number and the greatest activity was again above the whole number. This is an additional clue the MMs are bears. In fact, the red volume bar nestled above the whole number is bigger than the green bar that took the price all the way from below up to the top. This is a clear indication of the MMs wanted the higher prices to do the most of their activity,......buy low, sell high.

We Sonicers do not attempt to convince anyone of anything. You came here of your free will. You can study and learn, or simply go on stating that you do not understand. As I see it, the problem is you are looking for hard and fast "rules" to apply to PA. The MMs will never be obligated to such "rules". They run the market as their very profitable business, and they move price according to their very unpredictable human nature to deceive and thieve, not according to any "rules". PVSRA is flexible and applying it is an art. That might sound scary to some, but it keeps up with the MMs better than any of the traditional market "rules", by which most traders lose most of their money.

You came to FF on May 27, 2014 and have since posted about five dozen times to the thread "As Simple As Possible: 00 Level Trading". During that time you have posted here only about a dozen times, starting June 3, 2014, only three weeks ago! Perhaps you will be happier staying over there, since that is where you have been spending the most time. You are not exhibiting the pattern of a good student attempting to learn the Sonic R. System, so I now understand why you don't understand. Even for a good student, three weeks is not enough time. Good luck to you,


-tah
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  • #73,612
  • Jun 24, 2014 2:47pm Jun 24, 2014 2:47pm
AU Short Trade Opened:

Scout entry late in the move, when PA looked to be breaking down another support. No TP at this time.
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  • #73,613
  • Edited 3:36pm Jun 24, 2014 2:50pm | Edited 3:36pm
GBPUSD Short Trade Opened:

Scout entry when PA retraced up to previous whole level support. No TP yet.
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  • #73,614
  • Edited 3:37pm Jun 24, 2014 2:53pm | Edited 3:37pm
GBPJPY Short Trade Opened:

Scout entry when PA retraced up to previous support. You can see that PA then went further up - a hefty push further above the whole number to get higher prices for heavier shorting. No TP yet.
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  • #73,615
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:06pm Jun 24, 2014 3:06pm
I Don't Understand!

Sonicers,

Folks come and go from this thread. Those that start whining early on are typically very poor students. They, like most, come here attracted to the success of this long running thread. Unfortunately, their outlook seems to be that they should not be asked to put everything down and go to class to learn something new. It seems they expect to download a template and go to trading.

We make it a point of stating that the Sonic R. System is elegantly simple and effective. It is. What is not so simple and effective is that newbies put everything down and go to class. They bring their own garbage here with them and many attempt to use that garbage as a filter thru which they interpret everything they see here. On top of that, many do not even attend class. They never give themselves a chance to unlearn and relearn, or maybe to learn instead of assume for the first time. It is beyond me how some of these people can come here and present themselves so assertively when they have done nothing right from the moment they arrived.

Well, our doors are open to all, and so long as they display proper posting etiquette they can remain. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.

-tah
  • #73,616
  • Edited 3:50pm Jun 24, 2014 3:28pm | Edited 3:50pm
USDCAD:

The MMs are back to being bulls. Well, we knew this was to come and it was just a question of time.

The first thing the London MMs did was to whack the price a bit to trigger any liquidity for long orders down at the previous lows. Shortly after the US open, these MMs also whacked the price back down to a previous support level to trigger any liquidity for long orders. By "trigger" I mean that the MMs were manipulating the price down the queue of orders, reaching pending short orders, triggering them and taking the long side. Also, they end up reaching the pending SL orders of longs, triggering them and using that liquidity to get additional long orders filled of their own.

Only time will tell how the MMs handle this in coming days and weeks, but if this is the start of their "Bull Run for Profits", it is a nice turn of events.

-tah
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  • #73,617
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:35pm Jun 24, 2014 3:35pm
Quoting traderathome
USDCAD: The MMs are back to being bulls. Well, we knew this was to come and it was just a question of time. The first thing the London MMs did was to whack the price a bit to trigger any liquidity for long orders down at the previous lows. Shortly after the US open, these MMs also whacked the price back down to a previous support level to trigger any liquidity for long orders. By "trigger" I mean that the MMs were manipulating the price down the queue of orders, reaching pending short orders, triggering them and taking the long side. Also, they...
I just hop on the classic long train. Hope the train bring me to sky~
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-AdrianC.
  • #73,618
  • Jun 24, 2014 3:56pm Jun 24, 2014 3:56pm
AUDUSD:

Extremely late in the off-hours of the end of the US session, there is notable bear activity still happening. I take this as a sign the MMs are aggressively accumulating short orders. If the Asian session MMs manage to bring price back up to the most recent area of consolidation (marked) I might add to this short trade.
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  • #73,619
  • Jun 24, 2014 4:07pm Jun 24, 2014 4:07pm
Quoting traderathome
AUDUSD: Extremely late in the off-hours of the end of the US session, there is notable bear activity still happening. I take this as a sign the MMs are aggressively accumulating short orders. If the Asian session MMs manage to bring price back up to the most recent area of consolidation (marked) I might add to this short trade. {image}
¿how do you read the high activity at this hours? In AUDUSD is following the trend, but for example I am not able to read it in EJ. Should I consider in EJ they are accumulating shorts???
  • #73,620
  • Edited 4:45pm Jun 24, 2014 4:17pm | Edited 4:45pm
EURUSD:

A single point of view. Probably just one of many. But, the fact is that the MMs totally control price except when central banks interfere. Do you think the MMs would have left that day bar red? Hell no! That was a 100+ pips drop, about twice the average day range, and it was all selling! They can't let that stand as a waving flag for everyone to start shorting. To disguise as much as possible what that PA was all about, the Robber Bank MMs made absolutely sure that the day closed much higher. And the volume that brought the price above the upper half number later in the day was much lower volume than during the selloff- pure price manipulation to close high to make the situation look different from what it was in an effort to deceive traders for as long as possible.

-tah
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