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  • #900,541
  • May 23, 2014 1:07pm May 23, 2014 1:07pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} in the real world the u.s. is quietly on the path to 10 million barrels of oil per day... a boost in gdp and a import reducer. it has a x2 affect. and w/o the added cost of shipping overseas. it will be cheaper to produce things where the energy with other things are easily available cheaper.
Gator, energy doesn't get cheaper ... Yes, it's a factor in cost of production - but not everything. The USSR, since it decided to transform into a well fare system driven by PR companies and services industry, as no longer interested in machinery or heavy production or any type of production.
"It's the Margin, Stupid."
  • #900,542
  • May 23, 2014 1:12pm May 23, 2014 1:12pm
Quoting Vachus
{quote} Gator, energy doesn't get cheaper ... Yes, it's a factor in cost of production - but not everything. The USSR, since it decided to transform into a well fare system driven by PR companies and services industry, as no longer interested in machinery or heavy production or any type of production.
energy is everything. Human civilization is evolved around the utilization of energy and how efficiently to use energy.
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  • #900,543
  • May 23, 2014 1:16pm May 23, 2014 1:16pm
Quoting Vachus
{quote} Gator, energy doesn't get cheaper ... Yes, it's a factor in cost of production - but not everything. The USSR, since it decided to transform into a well fare system driven by PR companies and services industry, as no longer interested in machinery or heavy production or any type of production.
really.. we pay 3-4$ here for ng... what is it in the ez? what is it in japan? check out the u.s. domestic oil prices compared to ice.. one of us is wrong. maybe its me in a state with 4% unemployment, one that deals in energy
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  • #900,544
  • May 23, 2014 1:22pm May 23, 2014 1:22pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} energy is everything. Human civilization is evolved around the utilization of energy and how efficiently use energy.
A major fraction of oil in the America is burnt as gas to drive cars and that will affect Americans to commute. With too expensive gas price, people less likely to move around, go shopping. Transportation of goods by trucks is going to be expensive too.
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  • #900,545
  • May 23, 2014 1:22pm May 23, 2014 1:22pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} really.. we pay 3-4$ here for ng... what is it in the ez? what is it in japan? check out the u.s. domestic oil prices compared to ice.. one of us is wrong.
Regardless, i think in Greece or Europe generally slightly cheaper ... the reason, you and I pay so much is Gasoline and energy products are highly taxed! ( Like Alcohol & Cigarettes) So, it makes no difference if you produce it or import it. The two giants taking the profits remain as the government and the producer.
"It's the Margin, Stupid."
  • #900,546
  • May 23, 2014 1:23pm May 23, 2014 1:23pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} in the real world the u.s. is quietly on the path to 10 million barrels of oil per day... a boost in gdp and a import reducer. it has a x2 affect. and w/o the added cost of shipping overseas. it will be cheaper to produce things where the energy with other things are easily available cheaper. atm in germany who is going to build a new plant with russia signing a deal with china.. is it just a little possible russia can close the valve to ez. is it possible some market movers are anticipating the possibility
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...cle-disappears
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  • #900,547
  • May 23, 2014 1:26pm May 23, 2014 1:26pm
brent oil
http://invezz.com/news/commodities/1...ve-weekly-gain
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  • #900,548
  • May 23, 2014 1:28pm May 23, 2014 1:28pm
Quoting Vachus
{quote} Regardless, i think in Greece or Europe generally slightly cheaper ... the reason, you and I pay so much is Gasoline and energy products are highly taxed! ( Like Alcohol & Cigarettes) So, it makes no difference if you produce it or import it. The two giants taking the profits remain as the government and the producer.
show me a link to a official sight.
btw are you depending on Greece?
taxes for one of the best road systems in the world
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  • #900,549
  • May 23, 2014 1:32pm May 23, 2014 1:32pm
theres a reason WTI is lower than Brent.....
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  • #900,550
  • May 23, 2014 1:35pm May 23, 2014 1:35pm
Quoting tomspin
{quote} http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...cle-disappears
take my word for it. there are some major finds here and in texas that are not yet disclosed.
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  • #900,551
  • May 23, 2014 1:35pm May 23, 2014 1:35pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} really.. we pay 3-4$ here for ng... what is it in the ez? what is it in japan? check out the u.s. domestic oil prices compared to ice.. one of us is wrong. maybe its me in a state with 4% unemployment, one that deals in energy
Many dutch people living close to the belgium border often grab gasoline in belgium instead of holland. The reason is a very high tax on gasoline over here. Many fuel stations near belgium are actually having a truly hard time right now because of this..
  • #900,552
  • May 23, 2014 1:35pm May 23, 2014 1:35pm
Quoting Citiboy
theres a reason WTI is lower than Brent.....
http://www.energyandcapital.com/resources/brent-vs-wti
  • #900,553
  • May 23, 2014 1:37pm May 23, 2014 1:37pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} show me a link to a official sight. btw are you depending on Greece? taxes for one of the best road systems in the world
You are right, i made the mistake because we use Liters - not Gallons. You know Gator, in Europe people don't really relay on cars like you have in the states ... It's double the U.S. Price! But, you may already know - this has to do with heavy taxation not factors or imports!
"It's the Margin, Stupid."
  • #900,554
  • May 23, 2014 1:42pm May 23, 2014 1:42pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} take my word for it. there are some major finds here and in texas that are not yet disclosed.
Well I heard a tin hat story that US has actually the biggest pool of oil in the world but oil cartel won't tell anybody about it, until they see it neccesary. It has something to do with fecking over Saudis and dollar destruction - as I said one of those theories, IMO until you change from importer to exporter it is not significant, of course gradual process must take place but still.
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  • #900,555
  • May 23, 2014 1:55pm May 23, 2014 1:55pm
#kindergarden .. RT .. My Dad Is A Ninja !!

[take my word for it.] ...
  • #900,556
  • May 23, 2014 1:58pm May 23, 2014 1:58pm
Quoting Piters
#kindergarden .. RT .. My Dad Is A Ninja !! [take my word for it.] ...
What is this?!
"It's the Margin, Stupid."
  • #900,557
  • May 23, 2014 2:00pm May 23, 2014 2:00pm
Quoting Vachus
{quote} You are right, i made the mistake because we use Liters - not Gallons. You know Gator, in Europe people don't really relay on cars like you have in the states ... It's double the U.S. Price! But, you may already know - this has to do with heavy taxation not factors or imports!
you're missing the point. it dont matter if they walk in the ez.. the industrial plants in germany produce something. the most expensive cost to produce any heavy industrial product such as a car is energy. it cost more then labor and steel. the plastics are made from energy. the steel is melted and formed with energy. the labor uses energy in its job regardless if human or bot. in the u.s to produce a car, labor is about 10%. energy is better than 60% of the cost. i dont know the cost % in the ez.. basic math shows its higher than the u.s. for the last 40 + years energy in the u.s. was on the downside of the peak.. oil production dropped on a chart to about 50% from the high from the mid 70ties. and in the the last 5 years it is on the up swing. to where the current trajectory can make the u.s. a oil exporter.
even in china where labor is cheaper, it dont make economic sense. in a lot of production. when unsubsidized energy is factored in
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  • #900,558
  • May 23, 2014 2:00pm May 23, 2014 2:00pm
Quoting Vachus
{quote} What is this?!
my question too,

when I saw last few posts.. !!



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  • #900,559
  • Edited 2:17pm May 23, 2014 2:02pm | Edited 2:17pm
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  • #900,560
  • May 23, 2014 2:03pm May 23, 2014 2:03pm
Quoting ibox
{quote} If your broker told you so , you should immediately open a long
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