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  • #72,181
  • May 23, 2014 11:18am May 23, 2014 11:18am
Just to share with all Sonicers,

GBPUSD Short trades opened a few days ago, currently are winning trades. Some of the short trades had been closed due to lack of confidence in myself, therefore I locked profit first. (I am quite new to this Scout, quite risky, IT BETTER TO BE CLASSIC THAN RISKY SCOUT)

PVSRA is truly the best system, or rather method of analyse I have ever seen, I really believe that, if someone can't make money from this Sonic & PVSRA, the problem is not with the system, but with the traders.

Cheers Fellow Sonicers

XT
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  • #72,182
  • May 23, 2014 11:31am May 23, 2014 11:31am
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  • #72,183
  • May 23, 2014 11:39am May 23, 2014 11:39am
TAH,

My recent email to Traders NO Way! I feel that we must stand up as retail traders and not remain silent and have the few important tools that we need taken away.

Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • #72,184
  • Edited 12:32pm May 23, 2014 11:45am | Edited 12:32pm
!!!News Flash....Broker TradersWay Achieves New Heights in Deception....News Flash!!!

Looks like it is not enough advantage for the Robber Bank MMs and the parasitic brokers to feed us volume that is not even real volume. Now a broker is feeding its retail clients intentionally "modified" pseudo-volume, further disadvantaging them!

This particular broker, TradersWay (Warning: no physical address shown on it's internet site), since around May 19, 2014, is feeding to it's retail clients intentionally "doctored" volume that it is totally worthless, totally unrevealing of important changes in activity that retail traders need to be aware of. They call it their "quantity of ticks volume". Good grief. What a deception! Shit given any name still stinks! You can clearly see from the attached picture the reduced effectiveness of the TradesWay "doctored" volume.

And get this! This broker is not only feeding deceptive volume to it's retail clients, it is lying about the importance of it, claiming it's shitty "doctored" volume shouldn't matter because traders don't use volume! If that were the case, why did TradersWay make the special effort to provide no merit volume, deviate and inferior to what MT4 users get everywhere else?

Beware of TradersWay! Behind this are crooks and liars intent on "deceiving and thieving" forex retail traders, plain and simple!

Perhaps this shitty outfit called TradersWay will be shit-canned by every one of it's undeserved retail clients, and take a well earned bow dive.

I hope so,
-tah
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  • #72,185
  • May 23, 2014 12:14pm May 23, 2014 12:14pm
Quoting traderathome
!!!News Flash....Broker TradersWay Achieves New Heights in Deception....News Flash!!! Looks like it is not enough advantage for the Robber Bank MMs and the parasitic brokers to feed us volume that is not even real volume. Now a broker is feeding its retail clients intentionally "modified" pseudo-volume to further disadvantage them! This particular broker, TradersWay (Warning: no physical address shown on it's internet site), since around May 19, 2014, is intentionally "doctoring" the volume it feeds to retail clients so that it is totally worthless,...

TAH,

For whatever it's worth. I just finished talking with TradersWay and they will be visiting our Sonic thread to see how volume is used and will look into this issue.

I have been a client for about 2 years with no issues at all until now. They are going to communicate with Helsinki to see why the sudden volume issue.

Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • #72,186
  • May 23, 2014 12:19pm May 23, 2014 12:19pm
Cigarguy,

While you can, you might want to capture a variety of pictures, both black and white that show the transition from normal MT4 volume to the "doctored" volume, maybe using some different pairs.....whatever gives good contrast to show our case that the effectiveness of the "doctored" volume to see important relative changes in activity, is severely reduced or totally eliminated.

Helsinki?

-tah
  • #72,187
  • May 23, 2014 12:22pm May 23, 2014 12:22pm
Quoting traderathome
Cigarguy, While you can, you might want to capture a variety of pictures, both black and white that show the transition from normal MT4 volume to the "doctored" volume, maybe using some different pairs.....whatever gives good contrast. -tah
TAH,

Good idea I have some already but a few more with different pairs is a good idea then they can't say it was a "pair specific problem."

Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • #72,188
  • May 23, 2014 12:24pm May 23, 2014 12:24pm
Quoting xiaotiao
Just to share with all Sonicers, GBPUSD Short trades opened a few days ago, currently are winning trades. Some of the short trades had been closed due to lack of confidence in myself, therefore I locked profit first. (I am quite new to this Scout, quite risky, IT BETTER TO BE CLASSIC THAN RISKY SCOUT) PVSRA is truly the best system, or rather method of analyse I have ever seen, I really believe that, if someone can't make money from this Sonic & PVSRA, the problem is not with the system, but with the traders. Cheers Fellow Sonicers XT {image}
Thank you hugely xiaotiao - this was the one comment I have been waiting to seel all week long. Sonic R is not the issue why some people have blown their account. It is them, their money management, account balance etc. If you want to do scout - go for a large account size, and be very thorough in your analysis. If you have a small account and not thorough with your analysis - take only classic. Even better take only the best of classic, that others had suggested e.g. using supply and demand, using RSI etc to choose the best classics.
Some traders like TrendyTrade's etc who are making money from Sonic R even still criticise the system - shocking!!!

Anyway, all I want to say is that any trader who is struggling with this God given system should hold themselves accountable and not TAH or Sonic. I am tired of reading their complaints etc. They should grow up or grow out!
  • #72,189
  • May 23, 2014 12:29pm May 23, 2014 12:29pm
Quoting traderathome
Cigarguy, While you can, you might want to capture a variety of pictures, both black and white that show the transition from normal MT4 volume to the "doctored" volume, maybe using some different pairs.....whatever gives good contrast to show our case that the effectiveness of the "doctored" volume to see important relative changes in activity, is severely reduced or totally eliminated. Helsinki? -tah

TAH,

Yes Helsinki, I guess that's where most of the feeds are! It's an ECN, I don't know how the orders are routed and exactly where the feeds are. I'm sure after they visit our thread the will contact me. I may not be able to log in to my MT4 platform Monday.... Account Closed, Checks in the mail.....

Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • #72,190
  • May 23, 2014 12:38pm May 23, 2014 12:38pm
Quoting Gupito1508
Explanation on weakness Many ask explanation about this, and sorry for late reply, got to find the idea to explain. Here I share some, hope it will help as a compliment to the fundamental system (Sonic classic and PVSRA). Regards, Gupito Poernawan On a good day, I'm okay... On a bad day, I'm okay too... {image}
Nice PDF! But i don't know if I understand everything 100%. Let me post my picture of my analysis of the EUR/USD pair.

Is it time of a long?
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  • #72,191
  • Edited 12:58pm May 23, 2014 12:40pm | Edited 12:58pm
Quoting cigarguy
{quote} TAH, Yes Helsinki, I guess that's where most of the feeds are! It's an ECN, I don't know how the orders are routed and exactly where the feeds are. I'm sure after they visit our thread the will contact me. Regards, Cigarguy
Cigarguy,

An "ECN" implies multiple market making Robber Banks all linked for compatibility of quotes and for better visibility by each of them of orders across the entire network. In a word, crooks together thieve the better.

Time will tell, but if a collage of such Robber Bank MMs have decided to further prostitute the volume information fed out to retailers from their network, this could become a real concern.

Some of the biggest of these Robber Banks are now being called in on the carpet for their market rigging misdeeds. More and more are complaining of how it is not so easy to make huge profits stealing anymore. This might be an experiment by some of them, to see if they can get away with it.....keep the retail business and up the "Screw You" factor to squeeze out more profits from the further disadvantaged retailers.

I recently thought on an alternative - looking at candle configurations when PA is whipped/whacked thru a significant SR - as maybe the ultimate condensation of the premise of PVSRA (becoming PASRA, Price Action, S&R Analysis....or something like that). It can work, until they take the price bars away from us too.

-tah
  • #72,192
  • Edited 1:05pm May 23, 2014 12:50pm | Edited 1:05pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Cigarguy, An "ECN" implies multiple market making Robber Banks all linked for compatibility of quotes and for better visibility by each of orders across the entire network. In a word, crooks together thieve the better. Time will tell, but if a collage of such Robber Bank MMs have decided to further prostitute the volume information fed out to retailers from their network, this could become a real concern. -tah

TAH,

Yes I know, I have used an ECN for many years without issues until now. Initially I thought it was probably just a technical problem on their end until I received their emails. That's when I became concerned and decided to post due to their BS responses as I posted earlier. If one broker can get away with tampering with volume possibly others will follow if we just stand by and do nothing. I see that others here have Helsinki as their brokers as well and that would definitely be a catastrophic event for PVSRA! (aka PASRA.....)

I'm sure they will be lurking around this tread

Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • #72,193
  • May 23, 2014 1:03pm May 23, 2014 1:03pm
USDCHF: Probably worth to watching in next week.

My friend noticed nice pump&dump action, which MMs repeated over and over again. Prices goes up with decreasing volume.
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Now some actions above whole number. As we know the best place for MMs to selling.
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and price starts to ranging above whole number.
Personally I don't prefer scouts so I'm waiting for proper classic short setup to jump in this trade.
  • #72,194
  • Edited 1:19pm May 23, 2014 1:08pm | Edited 1:19pm
Quoting cigarguy
{quote} TAH, Yes I know, I have used an ECN for many years without issues until now. Initially I thought it was probably just a technical problem on their end until I received their emails. That's when I became concerned and decided to post due to their BS responses as I posted earlier. If one broker can get away with tampering with volume possibly others will follow if we just stand by and do nothing. I see that others here have Helsinki as their brokers as well and that would definitely be a catastrophic event for PVSRA! I'm sure they will be...
Cigarguy,

When you see Helsinki in the Panel as broker, it only means the broker server is set to the Helsinki time zone. The fundamental question is whether the broker server volume is only for the broker's in-house order processing, or if it is volume that includes that, as well as the in-house order processing of every other broker tied to the liquidity providing bank that is serving a number of brokers. It is certainly not the activity of a network of liquidity providing banks because the numbers are simply too low. It is just the activity of the individual broker.

Therefore, when TradersWay mentions Helsinki, are they attempting to disguise their own misdeed as being something done by their liquidity providing bank, or is this actually a new system whereby the liquidity providing bank is collecting all order information from all of its brokers and resending it back to them to feed to their retail clients? Plus, either way, the volume should look much as before, just with larger numbers. What we are seeing is volume prostituted in some other way, regardless of whether it represents a single broker world, or a world of a number of brokers of a single Bank MM.

So, whether the "doctored" volume is of a single broker, or a network of brokers of a single Bank MM, or of a network of multiple Bank MMs, the form of the volume should remain similar, just with larger numbers. Something else more sinister is being "added", and any bullshit about the volume no longer being of just a single broker is subterfuge.

-tah
  • #72,195
  • May 23, 2014 1:08pm May 23, 2014 1:08pm
Quoting Gupito1508
Explanation on weakness Many ask explanation about this, and sorry for late reply, got to find the idea to explain. Here I share some, hope it will help as a compliment to the fundamental system (Sonic classic and PVSRA). Regards, Gupito Poernawan On a good day, I'm okay... On a bad day, I'm okay too... {image}
Thank you
  • #72,196
  • May 23, 2014 1:09pm May 23, 2014 1:09pm
When they take our candles; BUY or SELL, coins will be the indicator of choice.....

Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • #72,197
  • May 23, 2014 1:10pm May 23, 2014 1:10pm
Quoting Elhemano1
{quote} Nice PDF! But i don't know if I understand everything 100%. Let me post my picture of my analysis of the EUR/USD pair. Is it time of a long? {image}

Long is possible sir, but with a respect, bull will be limited... Try to look upon h4 and daily. If you asked me for opinion, I'll wait until temporary bullish is over, then I jump into short after pvsra show weakness on bull. But if you bear to tackle the risk, then long is logical in 1.3600 even better at 1.3550.

That's my opinion. But never depend on the other opinion, so only you and market price, then decide. If something wrong, then there must be a lesson to learn. If correct, cheers up and keep learning

Things to remember, market always dynamic, so learn and learn always

I hope that my english can be understood, because it's not my native language.



On a good day, I'm okay...
On a bad day, I'm okay too...
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  • #72,198
  • May 23, 2014 1:13pm May 23, 2014 1:13pm
Quoting sherdog
USDCHF: Probably worth to watching in next week. My friend noticed nice pump&dump action, which MMs repeated over and over again. Prices goes up with decreasing volume. {image} Now some actions above whole number. As we know the best place for MMs to selling. {image} and price starts to ranging above whole number. Personally I don't prefer scouts so I'm waiting for proper classic short setup to jump in this trade.
USDCHF is back to running pretty much opposite to EURUSD, which is continuing to show bearish. If EU drops further, UChf will rise further.
  • #72,199
  • Edited 4:19pm May 23, 2014 1:15pm | Edited 4:19pm
Quoting brolinko
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  • #72,200
  • May 23, 2014 1:16pm May 23, 2014 1:16pm
Quoting Gupito1508
{quote}  Long is possible sir, but with a respect, bull will be limited... Try to look upon h4 and daily. If you asked me for opinion, I'll wait until temporary bullish is over, then I jump into short after pvsra show weakness on bull. But if you bear to tackle the risk, then long is logical in 1.3600 even better at 1.3550. That's my opinion. But never depend on the other opinion, so only you and market price, then decide. If something wrong, then there must be a lesson to learn. If correct, cheers up and...
Thank you so much.. I will be looking out for that trade and keep learning before i enter a trade.
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