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  • #71,121
  • May 10, 2014 5:55pm May 10, 2014 5:55pm
Quoting denmas
{quote} Hi Jouker, Can u tell me why my volume is red? Yours is green as I see... {image}
You both obviously have different brokers. Each broker only shows volume that is through them so each different broker is showing volume from different sets of traders. if you look closely you can see that almost all the separate sets of high volume bars are somewhat different in relation to each other. You can also see that his screen shot is a few bars less than yours so he may have taken the picture before you did.
  • #71,122
  • May 10, 2014 6:02pm May 10, 2014 6:02pm
Quoting billko1977
{quote} You both obviously have different brokers. Each broker only shows volume that is through them so each different broker is showing volume from different sets of traders. if you look closely you can see that almost all the separate sets of high volume bars are somewhat different in relation to each other. You can also see that his screen shot is a few bars less than yours so he may have taken the picture before you did.
Thanks billko1977
Do you think it risky for me to have such broker?
  • #71,123
  • May 10, 2014 6:20pm May 10, 2014 6:20pm
Quoting Jouker
NZD/USD Saturday night - Cartoon for good Sleep Good night and we will see what will happend next week! {image} {image}
Nice analysis This is how I like my charts to look when I post them and is a great way of communicating your basis for taking those trades

I think it will be very interesting to see what happens with this pair. Longer term I am short but it has the potential I think to go higher before reversing down.

Note: I think wicks as well as representing buying and selling activity, they can also represent price being pushed back up on light volume for continued shorting or price pushed down on light volume for continued longing all as a way to deceive us. So long as we acknowledge we can't know what will happen next and don't get emotionally attached to our trades and know when to cut them short if they are in the red then all is good!
  • #71,124
  • Edited 9:17pm May 10, 2014 8:30pm | Edited 9:17pm
NZDUSD:

MONTH - Just a reminder that this is priced at historic highs. And now the USD is coming out of its last years of slump.
DAY - The bull bar at the highs is typical of showing the MMs running price up and closing longs into the buying momentum they created. Look at the PVA Volume window. That is what is called "Bear Engulfing" volume!

Unless I miss my guess, loeil would classify the "background" as being bearish now. So, if he were trading this he would probably already have stared building shorts.

As for "True Blue" Sonicers, since the Classic short setup at the Asian open last Wednesday, it has been cycling down hill. Is it time for a retrace in the new down trend? Will the retrace present a counter trend Classic long setup? And if so, would it be worth the gamble to take a counter trend long setup? Applying the FR study to the DAY chart run down, price could retrace back to the upper whole number area, which would be a decent long trade. Or should we wait the retrace out and just look for a new Classic short setup that is with this new down trend?
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  • #71,125
  • May 10, 2014 10:21pm May 10, 2014 10:21pm
Hi all can you help me with something? I don't want to use the colored PVA candles.. I want to use normal candles but when I do the candlesticks end up showing behind the dragon indicator. What settings so I can have price at the forefront of my chart?
  • #71,126
  • May 10, 2014 10:37pm May 10, 2014 10:37pm
Quoting Dyekid217
Hi all can you help me with something? I don't want to use the colored PVA candles.. I want to use normal candles but when I do the candlesticks end up showing behind the dragon indicator. What settings so I can have price at the forefront of my chart?
You have to select Chart to foreground in chart properties. And that screws a lot of other things up. Highly not recommended!
  • #71,127
  • May 10, 2014 11:03pm May 10, 2014 11:03pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} You have to select Chart to foreground in chart properties. And that screws a lot of other things up. Highly not recommended!
Ah ok thanks proffessor!
  • #71,128
  • May 10, 2014 11:06pm May 10, 2014 11:06pm
Dear Prof TAH,

Do you think it's ok to have chart with different PVA volumes from yours?
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  • #71,129
  • May 10, 2014 11:39pm May 10, 2014 11:39pm
Quoting Jouker
NZD/USD Saturday night - Cartoon for good Sleep Good night and we will see what will happend next week! {image} {image}

Nice analysis..u have..possible bull in the back ground... it is ok to send scouts and "only" start to build when things get it right (In ur direction)..


Sonic
  • #71,130
  • May 11, 2014 12:44am May 11, 2014 12:44am
Just to confirm I am still near here with you guys )))))
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  • #71,131
  • May 11, 2014 1:48am May 11, 2014 1:48am
Quoting DDaniel
{quote} Loeil, your posts are one of my favorite to read and learn from here. Is there a chance you could post the trades from that big crash, the analysis that brought you to open the positions and the eventual results. And also if you would be generous enough to explain what did you learn from that. After all we are here to learn from those that are more experienced and we can surely share the belief that it is better to learn from others' mistakes(better for the heart at least.) In other words - I want to learn what you have learned without the...
Hi DDaniel,

I hope you will never do what you see on following two charts.

Take care.

Regards

futurespeter

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  • #71,132
  • May 11, 2014 2:19am May 11, 2014 2:19am
Quoting futurespeter
{quote} Hi DDaniel, I hope you will never do what you see on following two charts. Take care. Regards futurespeter {image} {image}

this is not nice.. it is very obvious.. that stacking in the wrong way..

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Sonic
  • #71,133
  • Edited 3:18am May 11, 2014 3:01am | Edited 3:18am
Quoting SaiLyfee
{quote} Nice analysis This is how I like my charts to look when I post them and is a great way of communicating your basis for taking those trades I think it will be very interesting to see what happens with this pair. Longer term I am short but it has the potential I think to go higher before reversing down. Note: I think wicks as well as representing buying and selling activity, they can also represent price being pushed back up on light volume for continued shorting or price pushed down on light volume for continued longing all...
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Tah:
NZDUSD:

MONTH - Just a reminder that this is priced at historic highs. And now the USD is coming out of its last years of slump.
DAY - The bull bar at the highs is typical of showing the MMs running price up and closing longs into the buying momentum they created. Look at the PVA Volume window. That is what is called "Bear Engulfing" volume!

Unless I miss my guess, loeil would classify the "background" as being bearish now. So, if he were trading this he would probably already have stared building shorts.

As for "True Blue" Sonicers, since the Classic short setup at the Asian open last Wednesday, it has been cycling down hill. Is it time for a retrace in the new down trend? Will the retrace present a counter trend Classic long setup? And if so, would it be worth the gamble to take a counter trend long setup? Applying the FR study to the DAY chart run down, price could retrace back to the upper whole number area, which would be a decent long trade. Or should we wait the retrace out and just look for a new Classic short setup that is with this new down trend?


Im always not sure which Timeframe have higher Importance Bigger then better ?
But reading H1 was clear for me and D1 trend is UP. So i think, i can be looking for some longs. (Im not sure with TP - not too high)

But you are probably right too. D1 have nice bear PA candles. So we can probably count, that we can have bearisch (and bigger, based on D1) moves then my long.
And if you are right here with bears - they will need to push price up for more shorting right ? (I can save there my pips if i was not right).
And one more thing - i dont have thant much money to go -1000 pips with 40 positions as loeil and survive )

But again .. we can not ever know the 100% truth, we will see what these skunk bank will do next week
  • #71,134
  • Edited 4:46am May 11, 2014 4:27am | Edited 4:46am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} loeil, Here, from your two recent posts explaining what you look for, is a composite chart of the two situations you discussed. I, for one, find it hard to distinguish the first situation from being different from the second one in any "telling" way. In fact, it is easy to see the first situation as a Classic long setup, but that reverses and was not a good candidate with such a previous down trend (H1 was still seriously down). The second situation is not so nice a Classic long and also in a strong down trend (H1 still seriously down)....
loeil,

Here is another example of "we cannot know how price will move next" and therefore building while trade is "red" is being frowned upon by Sonic. I have included your pic from your Tuesday, May 7, 2014 post in which you stated, "H1 - price came down and same scenario as on M15. Highest volume appears on down bars. Price touched support area and rallied up. Then suddenly high volume down bar with no further progress (down). To me it's bullish behavior."

We can see now that price did progress back down to the lowest previous lows and still has not come back to the previous highs. Now, what if this does what USDCAD did last Thursday and turns down again and drops another 75+ pips? We cannot know how the price will move next. And this is why Sonic is against adding to trades when they are in the "red". They can move further into the "red" after adding!

This sort of trade building fostered disasters last year, as you well know. It needs close scrutiny and good definition of ground rules by one who seems to be improving with it. That is you, my friend. If it can be done, you are the best candidate to try. And, as I said earlier, I will help in any way I can. But, I post this to show that things can turn out opposite the way we anticipate. And to my knowledge so far, we have come up with nothing by way of analysis that says we can, with any certainty, determine this will not happen.

-tah
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  • #71,135
  • May 11, 2014 5:05am May 11, 2014 5:05am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} loeil, Here is another example of "we cannot know how price will move next" and therefore building while trade is "red" is being frowned upon by Sonic. I have included your pic from your Tuesday, May 7, 2014 post in which you stated, "H1 - price came down and same scenario as on M15. Highest volume appears on down bars. Price touched support area and rallied up. Then suddenly high volume down bar with no further progress (down). To me it's bullish behavior." We can see now that price did progress back down to the lowest previous lows and...

Thank you for pointing this out.. a lot of traders here are going against everything you guys have taught and it's got me mixed up while i'm trying to learn. Master sonic as well as you TAH have been teaching this method for quite a while and that's all i studied .. then next thing i see is a complete different strategy. It's got my whole idea of Sonic R. System mixed up.
  • #71,136
  • May 11, 2014 5:09am May 11, 2014 5:09am
Quoting futurespeter
{quote} Hi DDaniel, I hope you will never do what you see on following two charts. Take care. Regards futurespeter {image} {image}
I hope that you have learned something from that! At least I learned and now I know that we watched all that volume thing so wrongly.

Now after one year I have to say that I like my trading method, although there are multiple things to making it better

But Sonicers, those examples shows very clearly how important is background and how important is to read volume rightly!

Do not jump to trade after every high volume! This is exactly what lot of users made last summer and everyone knows results of it!
Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
  • #71,137
  • May 11, 2014 6:06am May 11, 2014 6:06am
Quoting Jouker
{quote} or Tah: NZDUSD: MONTH - Just a reminder that this is priced at historic highs. And now the USD is coming out of its last years of slump. DAY - The bull bar at the highs is typical of showing the MMs running price up and closing longs into the buying momentum they created. Look at the PVA Volume window. That is what is called "Bear Engulfing" volume! Unless I miss my guess, loeil would classify the "background" as being bearish now. So, if he were trading this he would probably already have stared building shorts. As for "True Blue"...
Don't worry Jouker, I hold NU with my two entries and hope high news impact on NU on Wednesday make them fly
  • #71,138
  • May 11, 2014 6:10am May 11, 2014 6:10am
I hav been watching Sonic thread more than year now and what is going on lately here is insane!

I remember god damn well how user traderathome started this PVSRA thing last year, all users followed him. He posted so long stories about PVSRA, how powerful it is, it is only thing for understanding MMs etc. And now what? Suddenly all that PSVRA thing is just some bullshit??

And now everyone is speaking about "rules"! Rules in 1 post has been changed so many times since last year, how we beginners can even trust those rules???

One thing I want to ask is, traderathome, whats going on with you? You seemed so lost lately. Everything what you say has to be true but what others are saying seems so wrong to you. I don't understand anymore, specially I don't understand why your are changing your method all the time? Why not to improve the method what is working so good? I have been tried those classic waves too, I don't know what I'm doing wrongly but for me they won't work. Everytime when I see classic opportunity it fails. Scouts working much much better for me.

Guys maybe it is time to make new thread about scouts, because it seems that scouts guys has not welcome here anymore.
  • #71,139
  • May 11, 2014 6:13am May 11, 2014 6:13am
Quoting DmitryFX
Just to confirm I am still near here with you guys ))))) {image}
This was a very nice building
Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
  • #71,140
  • Edited 6:54am May 11, 2014 6:23am | Edited 6:54am
Quoting traderathome
NZDUSD: MONTH - Just a reminder that this is priced at historic highs. And now the USD is coming out of its last years of slump. DAY - The bull bar at the highs is typical of showing the MMs running price up and closing longs into the buying momentum they created. Look at the PVA Volume window. That is what is called "Bear Engulfing" volume! Unless I miss my guess, loeil would classify the "background" as being bearish now. So, if he were trading this he would probably already have stared building shorts. As for "True Blue" Sonicers,...
I would building shorts when signs of bulls are in the background??? NEVER!! I never do that btw!!!

I'm not watching Daily or even trade by Daily!

And btw I see sign of bulls on NU.
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Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
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