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  • #71,061
  • May 9, 2014 10:39am May 9, 2014 10:39am
I have a long in UJ that I may hold over the weekend. As I look at today's previous price action I see alot of drop-base-rallies and we are at a very strong area of support on the longer timeframes.

I have tried to free up my summer schedule to study as much as I can on PVSRA. Mainly price action and areas of supply/demand. there is lots to be read over the next few weeks =)
  • #71,062
  • May 9, 2014 12:27pm May 9, 2014 12:27pm
GJ - some thinkings for next week. Will see how it goes, it's friday, too soon to tell, but I'm personally looking for longs there
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  • #71,063
  • May 9, 2014 1:04pm May 9, 2014 1:04pm
Quoting cigarguy
{quote} sonicdeejay, Well as TAH frequently offers, the true intentions of the MM's can often be seen on the M1 charts with PVSRA and I personally have found this to be sound advice. Your comments to the contrary are welcomed! Regards Cigarguy
lower tf doesnt give much information, a lot of noise. You could confuse yourself in term of analysis unless you are scalping for small profit. Fx is basically longer term game, we cant have much in that fast action on lower TF.. My point of view to master sonic always analyze over d1, w1 and h4 TF and using m15 for Entry and Exit..
Hope you understand my english.

feinan
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  • #71,064
  • May 9, 2014 1:18pm May 9, 2014 1:18pm
Quoting loeil
GJ - some thinkings for next week. Will see how it goes, it's friday, too soon to tell, but I'm personally looking for longs there {image}
Nice spot here. Persoanlly i think it might go either way, let's see what happen next, perhaps a classic long i'll add =) meantime i starting to short UCad, and as well as AU short.
  • #71,065
  • May 9, 2014 1:31pm May 9, 2014 1:31pm
Quoting loeil
GJ - some thinkings for next week. Will see how it goes, it's friday, too soon to tell, but I'm personally looking for longs there {image}
loeil,
Agree with you.
For me MMs are building Long now, but i see potential bear for short term. No stopping Volume appear yet. good to building long IMO but i rather look for Classic short next week before im going long.. I know Open position ratio isnt part of PVSRA analysis but i like to take a peek to confirm MMs movement..

feinan
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  • #71,066
  • May 9, 2014 1:36pm May 9, 2014 1:36pm
Sonicer, I have opinion why Sonicdeejay and TAH suggest that we can build and
add more while in green, otherwise, not. The reason, I guess, is because not everybody know the
limit of the account. We all trader, knows that a drawdown is a drawdown. Even
it temporary, drawdown had a negative effect on our mental.

Actually, since the birth of Sonic, I've been a silent reader. Watch closely,
try it, get busted (not a demo, it was real account) over and over again until
the birth of PVSRA and scout. As a silent reader and silent practitioner of
sonic since the very beginning, I know that this system evolve so much.
Especially with PVSRA. But PVSRA that followed blindly without experience, will
bust our account into margin call if we don't do proper money management.

The temptation to busted is so big. Only trader with experience can easily cut
looser position. But remember, this forum is public. Many new trader read it. As
a beginner, they might not as easy like us who register as a member, or even
better TAH and sonicdeejay, to cut looser position. Many don't have a
flexibility to build many position with micro lot, mini lot and regular lot at
single account. My firm of brokerage is a perfect example on that. FYI, on my
country, this year, only 3 licensed brokerage firm that allowed to serve
minilot. Micro? That's unregulated on our country. For regular lot? Many got
license. That's it. Can you all imagine with 10.000 USD 1:100 leverage, how many
position you can build on regular lotsize? Risking 30% will use 3 regular
lotsize. That's not what the mission that Sonicdeejay want to achieve by making
this thread. The mission of sonic system is that everybody, no matter how much
the capital he / she have, no matter the size of lot he / she use, can maximize
their winning edge in the arena of dog eat dog.

By the birth of PVSRA and scout, it means that you enter only if the classic
setup nearly form. Otherwise, never jump into the market. The trade level of our
sonic system shows the perfect example the mistake that I do, and when to cut
loss. The level and price that I cut loss, is reach again today. Nearly a month
from now. Imagine that, waiting a month? Wanna keep adding position with regular
lotsize (as I said before, my brokerage only serve regular lotsize)? Afford the
drawdown, with swap each day? Why not cut loss the position? Looking for better
entry, and learn from that cut loss, and recover. Yes, I did it. For real, I cut
loss. 20% drawdown is not an easy way to cut loss. But I recover. Yes, I recover
by learn from that bad trade, comeback into the market, and at the end of that
month, that 20% drawdown is break even. Do not, I repeat, do not add while in
red if you can't afford to cut looser position easily.

That's it. May the chart below shows some good example how to trade. The system
is good, better, and best. But somehow, I did it wrong. This all my opinion.
Hope it enlight all sonicer and even the silent reader.

Regards,
Gupito Poernawan


On a good trade, I'm okay
On a bad trade, I learn and okay too...
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  • #71,067
  • May 9, 2014 1:40pm May 9, 2014 1:40pm
Quoting diginime
{quote} Nice spot here. Persoanlly i think it might go either way, let's see what happen next, perhaps a classic long i'll add =) meantime i starting to short UCad, and as well as AU short.
UCad, i smell long on this pair. MMs moves the price up and down, theydont want we realize what they are doing.. I could be wrong, have seen before.

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  • #71,068
  • May 9, 2014 2:03pm May 9, 2014 2:03pm
Quoting Gupito1508
Sonicer, I have opinion why Sonicdeejay and TAH suggest that we can build and add more while in green, otherwise, not. The reason, I guess, is because not everybody know the limit of the account. We all trader, knows that a drawdown is a drawdown. Even it temporary, drawdown had a negative effect on our mental. Actually, since the birth of Sonic, I've been a silent reader. Watch closely, try it, get busted (not a demo, it was real account) over and over again until the birth of PVSRA and scout. As a silent reader and silent practitioner of sonic...
Gupito,

For my Experience as I had blown 2 accounts last year, Scout is okay, but limit the scout usage and maximize your position with Classic entry, SL is important when you add Scout, you need learn to Respect your SL.

Unrealized P/L and Realized P/L are just an Illusion, its basically already added or subtracted the Winning/Losing Amount to your account.
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I always take Scout trade as losing position until market proves me wrong, and then i can add classic entry.
always plan for a trade, and trade that plan. mind your risk and exposure.

hope you understand me.
feinan.
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  • #71,069
  • May 9, 2014 2:04pm May 9, 2014 2:04pm
Quoting feinan
{quote} UCad, i smell long on this pair. MMs moves the price up and down, theydont want we realize what they are doing.. I could be wrong, have seen before. feinan {image}
I saw some nice bar at H4, as well as H1. All pump back to whole number. For sure, now, we won't know what they're up to. After the storm just now, it's best to watch what happen next, but i think, there's still some potential of going down, perhaps a 30-60 pips, and see what happen there =) found something interesting in M5 as well. Above whole number, greedy MM =P
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  • #71,070
  • May 9, 2014 2:23pm May 9, 2014 2:23pm
Trading high impact news is always fun
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  • #71,071
  • May 9, 2014 2:31pm May 9, 2014 2:31pm
Quoting Drawme5
{quote} Never as good as my Master.. but I´m improving 4066 pips on GJ {image}
Quoting loeil
{quote} GJ - closed for 4640 pips gain {image}
Quoting JRissa
{quote} GJ took profits also from this one. {image}
Quoting feinan
USD/CAD Long Closed after news came out.... banked 45pips. dont want be greedy.. The reason i long because i see range so low today, MM are loading short in a downtrend market and building longs. and now those sellers are trapped in MMs pocket. {image}
when i start to trade like you guys, i will be Pro

Great job !
  • #71,072
  • Edited 3:51pm May 9, 2014 2:43pm | Edited 3:51pm
Quoting feinan
{quote} lower tf doesnt give much information, a lot of noise. You could confuse yourself in term of analysis unless you are scalping for small profit. Fx is basically longer term game, we cant have much in that fast action on lower TF.. My point of view to master sonic always analyze over d1, w1 and h4 TF and using m15 for Entry and Exit.. Hope you understand my english. feinan
feinan,

Your English is fine, but I have never suggested to anyone to trade the M1 time frame. To the contrary, I have always advised when posting charts, that this style is for the experienced scalper only. I have mainly posted M1 charts due to receiving PM's from traders requesting to see lower f/f charts because of their interest to incorporate PVSRA into their existing scalping methods. I have been successfully scalping for many years and have found that PVSRA gives another obvious advantage as to the mindset of the thieving MM's.

In reference to sonicdeejay's comment; He dropped in and made a quick comment on my post and I was requesting clarification. His comment appeared, although very short, to be somewhat contradictory to the comments provided by TAH relative to the importance of observing the M1 charts for PVSRA clues. Yes of course, I realize that most, as position traders, conduct their analysis on the higher t/f's as your Leader suggests.

Regards
Cigarguy
Keep It Simple
  • #71,073
  • May 9, 2014 3:12pm May 9, 2014 3:12pm
GBPJPY:

close shorts on the daily support area.

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  • #71,074
  • May 9, 2014 3:16pm May 9, 2014 3:16pm
Quoting feinan
{quote} Gupito, For my Experience as I had blown 2 accounts last year, Scout is okay, but limit the scout usage and maximize your position with Classic entry, SL is important when you add Scout, you need learn to Respect your SL. Unrealized P/L and Realized P/L are just an Illusion, its basically already added or subtracted the Winning/Losing Amount to your account. {image} I always take Scout trade as losing position until market proves me wrong, and then i can add classic entry. always plan for a trade, and trade that plan. mind your risk and...
I do understand. I intended that post to the other that recently jump into sonic system. Never scout when your account size can't afford it.That chart that I post, all trade stopped by SL, that's why it stopped on a single price at once.
That SL is what I can afford and risking according my money management. That loss being BEP at the next trade that I've posted here, in this forum too. My intention post that is to give an enlightment, so that a newcomer, focusing first on "classic", while they study PVSRA to conform the classic oportunity.
Actually I put that SL just because I got a meeting, and can't see the chart for while, but I know some High Impact news will release.

At the end, may this discussion bring enlightment, build an understanding, and experience.

P.S : I often says to my friends at the office when they ask a tip to be Succeed on this bussiness, "take a loss as an experience".

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  • #71,075
  • May 9, 2014 3:21pm May 9, 2014 3:21pm
Great week guys ! Wishing everyone a great weekend ! Cant wait to see what the market will have in store for us next week.
Take what the market gives you.
  • #71,076
  • May 9, 2014 3:46pm May 9, 2014 3:46pm
Quoting cigarguy
{quote} feinan, Your English is fine, but I have never suggested to anyone to trade the M1 time frame. To the contrary, I have always advised when posting charts, that this style is for the experienced scalper only. I have mainly posted M1 charts due to receiving PM's from traders requesting to see lower f/f charts because of their interest to incorporate PVSRA into their existing scalping methods. I have been successfully scalping for many years and have found that PVSRA gives another obvious advantage as to the mindset of the thieving MM's. In...
I do analyze H1, M1, M5 and M15. Sometimes I look on H4 for global picture, D1 maybe once a week. M1 and M5 like TAH said, and the concept of Sonic complimentary (PVSRA), is to read the hidden Intention of MM. A pure classic without PVSRA compliment will only put you buy on top or sell on low.

You know what Feinan, before I knew PVSRA, I got that bad trade almost 90% of my trade. I'am a looser. Higher High, lower High, dragon angled up, classic entry Long, but then price action move down. Looking trend from higher TF? I did it, and still being looser. But when PVSRA implemented and incorporated with classic, made my trade better.I bet you never looked at Thomson reuters eikon quote screen (one tick one second and maybe more while hectic). Almost all the senior trader on my office can trade without chart. Why? They feel the tick. By feel the tick, they can feel the hidden intention of MM. That's the same concept with PVSRA. Volume is count of ticks. When I share and discuss about PVSRA with my mentor, he said yes, that's it, He always find difficulty to teach me with easier word about tick, because it instinct that build naturally while you trade without chart. Nowadays, trade with a chart is make our life simpler. The count of tick to see hidden intention of MM can be seen at M1. The truth is, m1 and m5 is a compliment. Logically, the result trend on higher tf is being produced and pushed by multiple PA on lower timeframe. So, by zooming in into m1, and look for the PA with the count of tick (volume), it will reveal the true intention of MM.

That intention revelation will make our decision on classic setup or scout better. Classic without PVSRA understanding is looser, and Vice versa. It both compliment each other. So, no matter Cigarguy doing analyze by looking on m1, or even better TAH and sonicdeejay too, as long as it support their decision to entry, I think is good. I believe Sonic with PVSRA, that's why I never post anything here and into other forum with another analyze and another fancy Indie. Sonic is simpler, not overdo, and one last important, since I using PVSRA, the ROI (return of investment) of my client improved drastically. I did cut loss, I did a bad trade, but at the end of the month, ROI target well done achieved.

That's it...
May pips goes with you...
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  • #71,077
  • May 9, 2014 4:04pm May 9, 2014 4:04pm
USD/CHF

A short trade you guys can consider over the weekend for next week.
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  • #71,078
  • Edited 8:49pm May 9, 2014 7:46pm | Edited 8:49pm
Quoting Gupito1508
Sonicer, I have opinion why Sonicdeejay and TAH suggest that we can build and add more while in green, otherwise, not. The reason, I guess, is because not everybody know the limit of the account. We all trader, knows that a drawdown is a drawdown. Even it temporary, drawdown had a negative effect on our mental. Actually, since the birth of Sonic, I've been a silent reader. Watch closely, try it, get busted (not a demo, it was real account) over and over again until the birth of PVSRA and scout. As a silent reader and silent practitioner of sonic...
Sonicers,

Those of you that will persist to add to a trade in the "red", if you do not understand Sonic's intentions and the reasons for his exhortations against doing so, then read this post by Guptio1508.

Thank you, Gupito1508, for taking the time to reveal your personal challenge, as well as those details supporting Sonic's exhortations.

Sonicers experienced with PVSRA know what a wonderful tool it is. Aside from those times in the market when nothing is real clear, PVSRA nails whether the robber banks are bulls or bears. Unfortunately this tempts traders to enter on extreme price moves, which cannot be guaranteed as the final ones. This causes draw downs, and the necessity to wait out the robber bank's "play", which can take days, even weeks, and can end up with a blown account. The best way to determine the robber bank's "play" is over and the profit taking has begun is to await the Classic setup in the direction fully confirmed by all the preceding PVSRA. That is the time to enter the market, and so long as the Classic is henceforth "green" that is the time to be position building. The results will be fewer draw downs, smaller draw downs, and quicker time to profits. Will the robber banks continue to whip & whack after your Classic entry? Sure they will, but the trend will now be with your trade and the whips & whacks will now be retraces in the trend and which will be added confirmation of the validity of your trade. This will give you more confidence to build the Classic trade anytime it is in the "green".

The tools that are a part of PVSRA: PVA Candles, PVA Volumes and the Levels lines, and the manner of performing PVSRA are what has taken the Classic setup from the Dark Ages to the Future. Those that struggled with Classics in the past can now see setups in a different way. This different way is the PVSRA "Market Map" onto which Classic setups appear, and this different way lets us know which setups are the best ones. And that, dear Sonicers, is what every trader using any trading method struggles with.....which setups are the best ones! There is no need to add to trades in the "red". There is only the need to see which Classics are the best ones on the PVSRA "Market Map", the ones that signal the robber bank's "play" is done and the profit taking trend has begun.

-tah
  • #71,079
  • May 9, 2014 7:53pm May 9, 2014 7:53pm
Sonicers,

And here we see the skillful use of the Classic trade, by feinan.....
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  • #71,080
  • May 9, 2014 8:41pm May 9, 2014 8:41pm
hey what's up guys

I'm so glad to find a place here which helped me a lot as a fresh trader.

I've been watching this tread for days and thanks to Sonic and TAH and others guys building such a good topic.

I have some questions about the initial in the sonicr system, can someone please help me to figure that out. I'm sorry I have watched the 1st post through but didn't get the answer.

What do these words mean in the system?
Lo Ny Lc

and these:
PVT MS1 DS1 RWH
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and sorry but what PW is?

what does this mean?
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and this
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