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  • #895,101
  • May 6, 2014 1:06am May 6, 2014 1:06am
Quoting ffleo
{quote} your math is really messed up. Do not try to convince me. You cannot. No matter what, I have more rigorous and longer math training than you can imagine.
lol, I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am using simple math.

A) 10 lots of long nzd = 100,000 units

B) 1 lot of short nzd = 10,000 units. (NOT - 10,000)

so that is 110,000 units used in two different variables ... A + B.

Now since A and B are two different variables, the short isn't an identifier of negative value, so it is absolute (|-1| = 1). You are giving an absolute an identifier that doesn't exist.

B = - 1 lot = 10,000 units since -1 equals a positive, it has to be absolute, therefore A + |B| = C, 11.

I don't know why I am wasting my time on basic geometry.
  • #895,102
  • May 6, 2014 1:08am May 6, 2014 1:08am
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} its simply math. you said 10 long and one short. that is 11 lots total, correct? a short lot or long lot is still a lot, it is an absolute number (-1 = |-1| = 1) http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/absolute-value.html so your math is wrong.
open 10 long and 1 short on demo account and run this script (i hope ur using mt4) and post trade history here, hedge is useful if you use it wisely (like use against long term trade )


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  • #895,103
  • May 6, 2014 1:08am May 6, 2014 1:08am
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} lol, I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am using simple math. A) 10 lots of long nzd = 100,000 units B) 1 lot of short nzd = 10,000 units. (NOT - 10,000) so that is 110,000 units used in two different variables ... A + B. Now since A and B are two different variables, the short isn't an identifier of negative value, so it is absolute (|-1| = 1). You are giving an absolute an identifier that doesn't exist. B = - 1 lot = 10,000 units since -1 equals a positive, it has to be absolute, therefore A + |B| = C, 11. I don't know why...
shit. You try to open 10 longs and 10 shorts. Do it every time. Let us see how your account can grow. You really waste my time here.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #895,104
  • May 6, 2014 1:10am May 6, 2014 1:10am
Quoting mohan76
{quote} open 10 long and 1 short on demo account and run this script (i hope ur using mt4) and post trade history here, hedge is useful if you use it wisely (like use against long term trade ) {file}
hey my friend, opening long and short on the same pair is not hedging. It is a waste of leverage.

The same amount of longs will off-set the same amount of shorts for any profit. It is purely waste of leverage. You also pay for spread
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  • #895,105
  • May 6, 2014 1:14am May 6, 2014 1:14am
Quoting ffleo
{quote} try to solve this problem in this post. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...96#post7351296 If you can, then we can talk. If you cannot, do not try to convince me that my math is wrong.
lol, you never took calculus. a(n) is just the factor of 'n' .. f(x) = ... 1.618 = .618 because all you are doing is using the reciprocal.

That is the same as finding the slope , either positive or negative (reciprocal) ... Delta x/ Delta y will never go beyond 1 deviation, it will only reach nearer and nearer to infinite ... or in economics, perfectly 'inelastic' or perfectly 'elastic' ....
  • #895,106
  • May 6, 2014 1:16am May 6, 2014 1:16am
Quoting mohan76
{quote} open 10 long and 1 short on demo account and run this script (i hope ur using mt4) and post trade history here, hedge is useful if you use it wisely (like use against long term trade ) edit screen shot {file} {image}
read past that post, don't know if you did, I am not hedging. He is freaking out because of what I am trading.

I was mostly long for the past year, now I opened a short and my last long didn't hit TP. So he is saying having my last Long open and some shorts open is the same as closing the long and part of short. I don't know, he makes my brain hurt.

I don't hedge, don't like hedging, and no need to hedge. This isn't a hedge.
  • #895,107
  • May 6, 2014 1:17am May 6, 2014 1:17am
Quoting ffleo
{quote} hey my friend, opening long and short on the same pair is not hedging. It is a waste of leverage. The same amount of longs will off-set the same amount of shorts for any profit. It is purely waste of leverage.
brokers i have used so far freed up leverage by hedge , not a waste of leverage , i mainly use them for partial s/l , i can avoid spread loss with my script (close by option)
Mohan
  • #895,108
  • May 6, 2014 1:18am May 6, 2014 1:18am
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} lol, you never took calculus. a(n) is just the factor of 'n' .. f(x) = ... 1.618 = .618 because all you are doing is using the reciprocal. That is the same as finding the slope , either positive or negative (reciprocal) ... Delta x/ Delta y will never go beyond 1 deviation, it will only reach nearer and nearer to infinite ... or in economics, perfectly 'inelastic' or perfectly 'elastic' ....
you really want to challenge me or what? You really want to challenge my math? You really want to give me opportunity to humiliate you with your math?
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #895,109
  • May 6, 2014 1:19am May 6, 2014 1:19am
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} read past that post, don't know if you did, I am not hedging. He is freaking out because of what I am trading. I was mostly long for the past year, now I opened a short and my last long didn't hit TP. So he is saying having my last Long open and some shorts open is the same as closing the long and part of short. I don't know, he makes my brain hurt. I don't hedge, don't like hedging, and no need to hedge. This isn't a hedge.
slow, check your pm, thanks!
  • #895,110
  • May 6, 2014 1:20am May 6, 2014 1:20am
Quoting ffleo
{quote} you really want to challenge me or what? You really want to challenge my math? You really want to give me opportunity to humiliate you with your math?
um ... yes, yes, and ... yes.
  • #895,111
  • May 6, 2014 1:22am May 6, 2014 1:22am
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} um ... yes, yes, and ... yes.
ok, solve that problem for me. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...96#post7351296

to make it clear: a(n) is the n-th term in a series with properties stated in that post. If you cannot solve that problem, just shut up.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #895,112
  • May 6, 2014 1:24am May 6, 2014 1:24am
Quoting ffleo
{quote} ok, solve that problem for me. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...96#post7351296 to make it clear: a(n) is the n-th term in a series with properties stated in that post. If you cannot solve that problem, just shut up.
how come you haven't rebutted anything I said ... ?

I will give you another chance, rebut these please!

Quoting slow-trader
{quote} lol, I am not trying to convince you of anything. I am using simple math. A) 10 lots of long nzd = 100,000 units B) 1 lot of short nzd = 10,000 units. (NOT - 10,000) so that is 110,000 units used in two different variables ... A + B. Now since A and B are two different variables, the short isn't an identifier of negative value, so it is absolute (|-1| = 1). You are giving an absolute an identifier that doesn't exist. B = - 1 lot = 10,000 units since -1 equals a positive, it has to be absolute, therefore A + |B| = C, 11. I don't know why...
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} lol, you never took calculus. a(n) is just the factor of 'n' .. f(x) = ... 1.618 = .618 because all you are doing is using the reciprocal. That is the same as finding the slope , either positive or negative (reciprocal) ... Delta x/ Delta y will never go beyond 1 deviation, it will only reach nearer and nearer to infinite ... or in economics, perfectly 'inelastic' or perfectly 'elastic' ....
If I am wrong, please show me exactly how ... I would like to learn from my mistakes.
  • #895,113
  • May 6, 2014 1:28am May 6, 2014 1:28am
FX Rat back

will start seeing movement now
been a bit quiet FX for a while
rat
  • #895,114
  • May 6, 2014 1:30am May 6, 2014 1:30am
Quoting ffleo
{quote} ok, solve that problem for me. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...96#post7351296 to make it clear: a(n) is the n-th term in a series with properties stated in that post. If you cannot solve that problem, just shut up.
literally, you aren't making sense. that is basic Calc I in college. it isn't the nth term, it is the factor of (n). A(n) is the factor of n.

What you are trying to get isn't making sense, you are using the basic .. "function of (input) = output" f (x) = x*x ... f(4) = 16, f(5) = 25.

you are saying F(n) = f(n-1) + f(n-2) ... that isn't complete, that is illogical .. you can't have a function equal a function. that is like saying x^5 = x^4 and x = 5.
  • #895,115
  • May 6, 2014 1:32am May 6, 2014 1:32am
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} read past that post, don't know if you did, I am not hedging. He is freaking out because of what I am trading. I was mostly long for the past year, now I opened a short and my last long didn't hit TP. So he is saying having my last Long open and some shorts open is the same as closing the long and part of short. I don't know, he makes my brain hurt. I don't hedge, don't like hedging, and no need to hedge. This isn't a hedge.
no, i did not read all your post , as per mt4 it's hedge (see my previous screen shot ) hedge have different meanings each trader have his own interpretation , as long as you know what you doing it's good, you don't have prove your self to any one
Mohan
  • #895,116
  • May 6, 2014 1:35am May 6, 2014 1:35am
Quoting ffleo
{quote} you moron, let me make it clear for you. I give you two arbitrary number for the first two terms in a series. Ok, you dumbo. Say they are 5, 8, since the 3 term, it will be the sum of its immediately two previous terms, that is 13, the 4th term is 13 + 8 = 21, and the series goes as: 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, .... Now you dumbfuck prove that 55/34 -----1.618, 89/55 ----> 1.618 when the series gets infinitely long.
first off, you didn't rebut me ... yet.

2cd, 55/34 =\= 89/55, they are different.

55/34 = 1.617647 ...
89/55 = 1.618181 ...

They aren't the same, they are different.

Second.

please rebut everything I said .. I don't know why I am wasting my time ... but you aren't making sense, you are saying that .9999 = 1.000
  • #895,117
  • May 6, 2014 1:35am May 6, 2014 1:35am
Quoting mohan76
{quote} no, i did not read all your post , as per mt4 it's hedge (see my previous screen shot ) hedge have different meanings each trader have his own interpretation , as long as you know what you doing it's good, you don't have prove your self to any one
two different accounts.
  • #895,118
  • May 6, 2014 1:39am May 6, 2014 1:39am
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} first off, you didn't rebut me ... yet. 2cd, 55/34 =\= 89/55, they are different. 55/34 = 1.617647 ... 89/55 = 1.618181 ... They aren't the same, they are different. Second. please rebut everything I said .. I don't know why I am wasting my time ... but you aren't making sense, you are saying that .9999 = 1.000
ok, it is series. I said when the series gets long enough the limit of A(n)/A(n-1) = 1.618.

Ok forget about the Fibonacci number. If you open long and short on the same pair, you wont make profit, they cancel each other on any price movement.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #895,119
  • May 6, 2014 1:39am May 6, 2014 1:39am
Quoting ffleo
{quote} you dumbo silly again. a factor is written as n! = 1x2x3x....n
no ... when you say a(n) = ... that is saying 'the factor of n = ...

you can't factor a factor unless all equal variables are giving. you are saying that 1 = 2, put that into your calculator, you will get an error.

it simply doesn't make any logical sense.

I think what you are trying to say (poorly) is incomplete. you only have part of the equation. literally, you are missing a part of your whole problem.
  • #895,120
  • May 6, 2014 1:41am May 6, 2014 1:41am
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} two different accounts.
that even more silly. One account long a pair, another account short the same pair. One account lose and the other account gain. In the end they cancel each other.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
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