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  • #69,681
  • Edited 11:35am Apr 25, 2014 11:20am | Edited 11:35am
EURUSD:

Continues to range. Continues to be bearish (more of the high volumes are at the highs and coming down off of the highs). We just have to wait this out by monitoring for proper Classic setups to trade,.....and trade proper Classic setups either way regardless of "technicals", but watched like a hawk.

When a range break comes, it could be either way. And either way could be a head fake, too.
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  • #69,682
  • Apr 25, 2014 11:32am Apr 25, 2014 11:32am
Quoting bilgpk
Hi all, I've got around 56 pips before. But, is it wise for me to do this re-entry again? P.S. : I'm still using demo account. Hehehe. Thanks, BilGPK {image}
Yeayyy, another 71 pips taken when I was not around. Total 127 pips for USD/JPY.

https://charts.mql5.com/4/544/usdjpy-m15-fbs-inc.png

And also 120 pips for AUD/USD following the basic sonic rule.

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Thanks seniors.
  • #69,683
  • Apr 25, 2014 11:44am Apr 25, 2014 11:44am
GBPUSD:

Still ranging in area of whole number. Still bearish (volume falling off). Just need to wait it out. Stick to Classic setups, either way, but watched like a hawk.
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  • #69,684
  • Apr 25, 2014 11:50am Apr 25, 2014 11:50am
GBPAUD:

Trend is down, but we are involved with a retrace, which has reached a significant S&R area. Bearish, because volume at top of retrace is falling off (liquidity for continued shorting is decreasing). We just have to wait it out. Stick to Classic setups, either direction, but watched like a hawk.
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  • #69,685
  • Apr 25, 2014 11:53am Apr 25, 2014 11:53am
GBPJPY:

Continues to be supported near highs. Continues bearish because volume is falling off, meaning liquidity for shorting is declining. Just have to wait it out. Stick to Classic setups, either way, watched like a hawk.
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  • #69,686
  • Apr 25, 2014 12:06pm Apr 25, 2014 12:06pm
Quoting bilgpk
{quote} Yeayyy, another 71 pips taken when I was not around. Total 127 pips for USD/JPY. {image} And also 120 pips for AUD/USD following the basic sonic rule. {image} Thanks seniors.
Hello
when i watch your chart AUD/USD , i see your trade and your entry were near 0.9275 and exit near 0.9302, so
0.9302-0.9275 =27 pips so why 120 pips?
did you take many lots ?

Congratulations for your successful trades.
Regards
  • #69,687
  • Apr 25, 2014 12:25pm Apr 25, 2014 12:25pm
Quoting heavenpv
{quote} Hello when i watch your chart AUD/USD , i see your trade and your entry were near 0.9275 and exit near 0.9302, so 0.9302-0.9275 =27 pips so why 120 pips? did you take many lots ? Congratulations for your successful trades. Regards
0.9301-0.9277 = 24 pips. size=0.05 so around 120 pips right?

am I wrong? hahaha. no congrats, it is still only a demo account.
want to learn first, rather than losing my money again.
hahaha.

Best regards,
Bilgpk
  • #69,688
  • Apr 25, 2014 12:28pm Apr 25, 2014 12:28pm
Quoting traderathome
GBPJPY: Continues to be supported near highs. Continues bearish because volume is falling off, meaning liquidity for shorting is declining. Just have to wait it out. Stick to Classic setups, either way, watched like a hawk. {image}
Prof Tah, have a good weekend
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  • #69,689
  • Apr 25, 2014 12:31pm Apr 25, 2014 12:31pm
Quoting traderathome
GBPJPY: Continues to be supported near highs. Continues bearish because volume is falling off, meaning liquidity for shorting is declining. Just have to wait it out. Stick to Classic setups, either way, watched like a hawk. {image}
Traderathome, I see we have different volumes in the weekly candles.
Declining volumes are a feature of the retracements. Just look at a chart to see it.
Also, my interpretation of the chart also differs from yours.
For me, the GBPJPY pair is bullish.
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  • #69,690
  • Edited 1:23pm Apr 25, 2014 12:40pm | Edited 1:23pm
Quoting Repsaj
{quote} Traderathome, I see we have different volumes in the weekly candles. Declining volumes are a feature of the retracements. Just look at a chart to see it. Also, my interpretation of the chart also differs from yours. For me, the GBPJPY pair is bullish. {image}
PVSRA: GBPJPY, Bull or Bear?

If you believe that declining volumes are a feature of retracements, then take another look at your WEEK chart and see that as the price has been moved up to highs over the past three weeks the volume has been declining precipitously. So, to your way of thinking, this move up is just a retracement; a harbinger of a down trend. As I see it, the MMs continue to push price upwards to the established highs as part of supporting the price in order to suck in longs for liquidity to build short. As time goes on fewer and fewer longs are getting suckered, so the volume is dropping. Hence, this is bearish, both by your way of thinking and by my way of thinking.

Next, if you need further confirmation of bears, just look at the M15 chart. First, we see that the Asian session MMs hiked the price above the whole number where there occurred their heaviest volume. This is a PVSRA indication of bears. Next we see the LS MMs shorted it first, then suddenly whiped n' whacked it above the whole number also on their heaviest volume. This is another PVSRA indication of bears. Then they continued to sell it off, taking the price lower. Thirdly, we see the US MMs started by continuing the selloff and then whipping the price back up above the half number where there occurred their heaviest volume, also followed by continued selling. This is a third PVSRA indication of bears. On just this one chart there is a preponderance of PVSRA evidence of bears. What more does a person need in order to accept that this might be bearish?

I am not trying to convince those biased long. I am simply responding to such a conclusion with evidence to the contrary for the benefit of all Sonicers, whom can make up their own minds. And still, no matter what our bias, we do not know how price will move next and what we should do is simply trade valid Classic setups in either direction, watching them like a hawk.
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  • #69,691
  • Apr 25, 2014 1:07pm Apr 25, 2014 1:07pm
Quoting traderathome
EURUSD: Continues to range. Continues to be bearish (more of the high volumes are at the highs and coming down off of the highs). We just have to wait this out by monitoring for proper Classic setups to trade,.....and trade proper Classic setups either way regardless of "technicals", but watched like a hawk. When a range break comes, it could be either way. And either way could be a head fake, too. {image}
In the EURUSD, my broker shows high volume at lows.

H4 range and volumes at lows
Daily Candles rises, and rises and dragon Trend.

Why is bearish this pair?
I only see him in rank and bullish '.
It is only my opinion. Maybe there's something I do not see.
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  • #69,692
  • Apr 25, 2014 1:16pm Apr 25, 2014 1:16pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} If you believe that declining volumes are a feature of retracements, then take another look at your WEEK chart and see that as the price has been moved up to highs over the past three weeks the volume has been declining precipitously. So, to your way of thinking, this move up is just a retracement; a harbinger of a down trend. As I see it, the MMs continue to push price upwards to the established highs as part of supporting the price in order to suck in longs for liquidity to build short. As time goes on fewer and fewer longs are getting...
I did not try to convince anyone. I only look for what you have given me, that is another point of view. And I appreciate your explanations.
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  • #69,693
  • Apr 25, 2014 1:30pm Apr 25, 2014 1:30pm
GBPJPY

According to my broker, the activity is at the lows. That makes me think bullish.
Only the humble opinion of someone who wants to learn more.
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  • #69,694
  • Apr 25, 2014 1:35pm Apr 25, 2014 1:35pm
GBPAUD Short Trade:

Manually closed trade(s) for 493.5 pips gain.

I made this trade, so I post it, though more a mess than anything else. The rationale for it was that PVSRA is very bearish on this pair, so when the MMs hiked the price above the whole number I looked for entries without waiting for a Classic setup. I traded this on two occasions. On both occasions only the second EPs were truly profitable due to the MMs confining this to the range. I slept thru a great exit for the second trade and closed this where I did so as to not hold this particular pair over the weekend.
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  • #69,695
  • Edited 2:09pm Apr 25, 2014 1:39pm | Edited 2:09pm
Quoting Repsaj
GBPJPY According to my broker, the activity is at the lows. That makes me think bullish. Only the humble opinion of someone who wants to learn more. {image}
PVSRA: Place the Pieces Properly to Complete the Bull vs Bear Picture

Try looking at it this way. The volumes you note actually represent shorting down off from the highs, and then "stop the drop" volume comes in because the MMs are supporting the price; keeping it from dropping too low so they can continue to sucker longs and so that it won't cost them so much to hike the price back up to resume heavier shorting again later (which they then do, repeatedly).

Another thing to note is that the 172.00 whole number is pivotal, meaning it was support and now is resistance,....except for the high volume whip n' whacks up thru it for the accumulation of short orders, and each of which was followed by continued heavy shorting which caused the price to drop and which shows notable volumes during these drops.

Throughout the PVSRA material, I have stressed the need to take individual PVSRA clues and marry them into the overall perspective of PA. What you see here is a 100+ pips bear swing down and then the MMs supporting the price above the half number for accumulation of short orders, with some nice whip n' whacks above the upper whole number for the accumulation of better short orders.

You will learn to do this in time; to not get a fixation on just individual components of our analysis, without marrying them into the overall perspective of PA. It is important to see how PA is behaving around the key S&R - our use of Levels - where price is now and where price has come from. This is the price action analysis (which includes waves) which is part of PVSRA. Our use of PVA provides the notable volumes, which is the volume part of PVSRA. And our use of LEVELs is the S&R part of PVSRA.
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  • #69,696
  • Apr 25, 2014 1:50pm Apr 25, 2014 1:50pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Try looking at it this way. The volumes you note actually represent shorting down off from the highs, and then "stop the drop" volume comes in because the MMs are supporting the price; keeping it from dropping too low so they can continue to sucker longs and so that it won't cost them so much to hike the price back up to resume heavier shorting again later. Throughout the PVSRA material, I have stressed the need to take individual PVSRA clues and marry them into the overall perspective of PA. What you see here is a 100+ pips bear swing down...
With all due respect, now I do not understand anything. We'll leave it there. Thank you again for your attention, tah.
Check your emotions. How are you?
  • #69,697
  • Edited 2:51pm Apr 25, 2014 2:34pm | Edited 2:51pm
Quoting Repsaj
{quote} With all due respect, now I do not understand anything. We'll leave it there. Thank you again for your attention, tah.
PVSRA

A lot has been written on PVSRA since April 2013. If you wish to increase your understanding, then reading about PVSRA is the sensible approach. And even before PVSRA, the term "stopping volume" was coined by Master Sonicdeejay to indicate an immediate continuation of PA might not follow and that PA might reverse. Not all reversals of PA (while traded as Classics) mean that the MMs have also reversed their overall sentiment. And this is where PVSRA excels as an analysis when done properly.

For example, MMs might be bears, pushing price lower. Then comes "stopping volume" and price reverses and even presents a Classic long trade. But are the MMs now bulls? Short term, for that retrace upwards - for that Classic long trade - yes. But bear MMs are always putting on bull moves (retraces), which is their way of sucking in longs for liquidity so the MMs can be rebuilding shorts at higher and higher prices again, ahead of the next-to-come bear run for profits. So, you see, in the bigger picture, the MMs remain bears, even while pushing prices back upwards!

The MMs deceive & thieve. A properly performed PVSRA helps to uncloak their real sentiment. This in turn can give Sonicers greater awareness about watching like a hawk when trading Classics that might be contrary to the overall sentiment of the MMs as determined by PVSRA. The reason traders examine charts is to try and get a "read" on which direction price might be going next. No amount of such chart examining can tell us how the price might move next. However, PVSRA can determine the sentiment of the MMs, which has more relativity to what happens overall than does anything else. And once a trader is in a trade, having a good read on the MMs sentiment can be a great advantage when these "deceivers & thievers" begin "whippin' n' whackin'" price to stop out and bully out traders, so the MMs can have that liquidity to execute their own trade orders!

This is the core advantage PVSRA gives traders, an advantage no other form of analysis can so reliably provide.

-tah
  • #69,698
  • Apr 25, 2014 2:52pm Apr 25, 2014 2:52pm
Prof Tah, do you agree UJ bullish?!
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  • #69,699
  • Edited 3:50pm Apr 25, 2014 3:01pm | Edited 3:50pm
Quoting bubblo
Prof Tah, do you agree UJ bullish?! {image}
Not with these two selloffs!
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And here are a few more.....
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Now after all this Pumping and Dumping, if the MMs remain bears after closing shorts for profits at lows, then it is highly probable they will hike the price again, to resume short building at higher prices. Such a bull move - a retrace upwards manufactured by bear MMs - could provide a Classic long setup. If so, we should trade it. But we should do so understanding the prevailing sentiment of the MMs, watching any such long trade like a hawk.

During a long trade, under these conditions, if price starts to drop past the long entry, I'd not be adding Scouts. I'd be closing the trade. On the other hand, under these conditions, if I were in a short trade and the price started to move above my short entry, I'd be looking at the rising price to achieve a key S&R level on notable volume, where I'd be adding short Scouts to the short trade.

Knowing the overall sentiment of the MMs is a huge advantage when in a trade and the price is being whipped or whacked. It can help you decide what to do; close the Classic trade or add Scouts to the Classic trade. PVSRA gives traders this edge!

To be a highly successful trader, master the Sonic R. System Classic trade setup and PVSRA.

-tah
  • #69,700
  • Apr 25, 2014 3:21pm Apr 25, 2014 3:21pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Not with these two selloffs!{image} And here are a few more.....{image} Now after all this Pumping and Dumping, if the MMs remain bears then it is highly probable they will hike the price again, to resume short building at higher prices. Such a bull move - a retrace upwards manufactured by bear MMs - could provide a Classic long setup. If so, we should trade it. But we should do so understanding the prevailing sentiment of the MMs, watching any such long trade like a hawk. -tah
Prof Tah, so agree with you, guess going long before big short coming

Thanks
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