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  • #890,341
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:33pm Apr 15, 2014 12:33pm
Quoting Citiboy
{quote} Maybe, but with Russia I think Americans are genuinely afraid and rightfully so. Would young men in America actually go off to right Russians? Sadly, Russians and in general... the men of societies with more traditional gender roles are way more "manly men" than young American guys are. Is that kind of what Putin represents? The 1940s style war effort doesn't seem viable any more because young American men have way less to protect in the way of fighting for wives and family.
u will not be the first to make that misconception, or the last.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #890,342
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:35pm Apr 15, 2014 12:35pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} a few pre=emp emp and the lights go out.. no launch
Hahaha Gator. Possible for both.
US testing their longer term cold war against nuclear powered nation in Pakistan.
But China... no way
You cannot learn better without losing
  • #890,343
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:37pm Apr 15, 2014 12:37pm
Quoting forexings
{quote} Hahaha Gator. Possible for both. US testing their longer term cold war against nuclear powered nation in Pakistan. But China... no way
you dont remember the lights going out in baghdad w/o a shot fired. a grid is easy to take out w/o explosives
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #890,344
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:38pm Apr 15, 2014 12:38pm
Quoting Citiboy
{quote} Maybe, but with Russia I think Americans are genuinely afraid and rightfully so. Would young men in America actually go off to right Russians? Sadly, Russians and in general... the men of societies with more traditional gender roles are way more "manly men" than young American guys are. Is that kind of what Putin represents? The 1940s style war effort doesn't seem viable any more because young American men have way less to protect in the way of fighting for wives and family.
when coming back from war, the wives cheated and slept with the neighbors. Even before going to the war, the wives may have cheated already, and divorce is in the way.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #890,345
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:38pm Apr 15, 2014 12:38pm
Quoting Citiboy
{quote} Maybe, but with Russia I think Americans are genuinely afraid and rightfully so. Would young men in America actually go off to right Russians? Sadly, Russians and in general... the men of societies with more traditional gender roles are way more "manly men" than young American guys are. Is that kind of what Putin represents? The 1940s style war effort doesn't seem viable any more because young American men have way less to protect in the way of fighting for wives and family.
Isn't it young western men would not have the desire and mental attitude to fight a foreign war due to modern progressive attitudes and having more to lose today than young men of the first half of the twentieth century i.e. comfortable lives, high standard of living with constitutional rights etc?

But if say Russia were to invade US mainland, i.e. threatening the existence of that societal ideal, that would produce the opposite effect - ultimate defense of values.
It'll be alright on the night
  • #890,346
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:42pm Apr 15, 2014 12:42pm
Quoting Gaviscon3
{quote} Isn't it young western men would not have the desire and mental attitude to fight a foreign war due to modern progressive attitudes and having more to lose today than young men of the first half of the twentieth century i.e. comfortable lives, high standard of living with constitutional rights etc? But if say Russia were to invade US mainland, i.e. threatening the existence of that societal ideal, that would produce the opposite effect - ultimate defense of values.
Nobody can invade the U.S. Even if they somehow get to the shores, which I highly doubt, there are 300 million guns in private hands. So anything short of nuclear war is fantasy.
  • #890,347
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:45pm Apr 15, 2014 12:45pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} they may be better off making buggy whips. or open the doors for tourism. make the whole country a disney world. 3d machines are getting cheaper and i can make my own tupperware.
Main point being there rather you import or export, a quote or tariff ... any block in trade .. is bad for the country ... they have room to grow in that aspect by a large margin.

My point wasn't that China is about to be a bull market and 'buy buy buy' but I think they are on the verge of a regime change in the way society works. Just like every where else ... people see the inequality and the shaving off tops and they are curious about what else there is. China is already ahead of the game, investing (lending) plenty in Mexico for US business's , same story for South Africa, South America, etc. They are preparing the future .. taking a worthless piece of paper (dollars) and exchanging them for hard assets that no matter what happens, those assets will be there at the end of the day ... very smart.

I think the big surprise of the next couple of decades is going to be the adaptability of the Chinese government compared to any other country (U.S., Russia, any in Europe, South America, South Africa ... )

People in China love weibo (china's twitter), and the government does literally fear the concept of instant demonstrations ... there have been many reports of 10'000's - 100'000s of protesters within hours based on news that spreads from that site ...

I think, rather they have a collapse or not, what is built up from that will have great potential ...and without the red-tape bureaucratic bullsh!t like here in the U.S.

3d Printing technology is exciting, but I am more interested in how the government regulates it ...

there is the business from Austin down here printing guns successfully, how long before the FBI shows up to your door asking about the raw materials that you ordered for your 3d printer ...

http://www.kvue.com/news/Austin-comp...232071441.html
  • #890,348
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:45pm Apr 15, 2014 12:45pm
Quoting Gaviscon3
{quote} Isn't it young western men would not have the desire and mental attitude to fight a foreign war due to modern progressive attitudes and having more to lose today than young men of the first half of the twentieth century i.e. comfortable lives, high standard of living with constitutional rights etc? But if say Russia were to invade US mainland, i.e. threatening the existence of that societal ideal, that would produce the opposite effect - ultimate defense of values.
put 19 guys together with training and tell them, "the guys over there will kill u if u dont kill them" and you have a family fighting to survive.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #890,349
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:45pm Apr 15, 2014 12:45pm
Quoting attila
{quote} Nobody can invade the U.S. Even if they somehow get to the shores, there are 300 million guns in private hands. So anything short of nuclear war is fantasy.
Right to bare arms and shoot any moving thing on my property. Although, it is kind of scary on how complacent this market is. War brewing, and nobody cares. Maybe when Putin scoops up Poland and Moldova on the dip, someone will pay attention.
When the facts change I change my mind, what do you do sir
  • #890,350
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:46pm Apr 15, 2014 12:46pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} you dont remember the lights going out in baghdad w/o a shot fired. a grid is easy to take out w/o explosives
You are comparing Iraq with China?
Saddam got time to fire hundreds of scud missile for 2 days. Count them for nuclear bomb to US when it's China.
They will never make such battle.
You cannot learn better without losing
  • #890,351
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:48pm Apr 15, 2014 12:48pm
gi joe was fun.. things to do. later
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #890,352
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:48pm Apr 15, 2014 12:48pm
Quoting Pip Anon
{quote} Right to bare arms and shoot any moving thing on my property. Although, it is kind of scary on how complacent this market is. War brewing, and nobody cares. Maybe when Putin scoops up Poland and Moldova on the dip, someone will pay attention.
Reminds you of Churchill huh? : You were given the choice between honor and war. You chose dishonor and you will have war.."
  • #890,353
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:50pm Apr 15, 2014 12:50pm
Quoting Pip Anon
{quote} Right to bare arms and shoot any moving thing on my property. Although, it is kind of scary on how complacent this market is. War brewing, and nobody cares. Maybe when Putin scoops up Poland and Moldova on the dip, someone will pay attention.
I'm expecting yen become a safe haven again
War in ukraine will help it
  • #890,354
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:51pm Apr 15, 2014 12:51pm
China has the world by the short and curlies due its Rare Earth monopoly. With computer chips taking over the world, rare earth is the new oil.
As the lights go by so too do the shadows move
  • #890,355
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:52pm Apr 15, 2014 12:52pm
Quoting slow-trader
{quote} 3d Printing technology is exciting, but I am more interested in how the government regulates it ... there is the business from Austin down here printing guns successfully, how long before the FBI shows up to your door asking about the raw materials that you ordered for your 3d printer ... http://www.kvue.com/news/Austin-comp...232071441.html
I do not think 3D printing is practical. For integrity and structural strength you need molding.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #890,356
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:53pm Apr 15, 2014 12:53pm
Quoting Matts Micro
China has the world by the short and curlies due its Rare Earth monopoly. With computer chips taking over the world, rare earth is the new oil.
you do realize the largest rare earth resources are in Afghanistan.. wondering why we spent 15 years in those mountains..


http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...es-afghanistan
  • #890,357
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:53pm Apr 15, 2014 12:53pm
Quoting attila
{quote} Reminds you of Churchill huh? : You were given the choice between honor and war. You chose dishonor and you will have war.."
It's just crazy. Obama speaks softly and carries a whiffle bat. Nobody on Earth takes this dude seriously. If Putin decided to fly a jet, making passes in proximity, I would shoot that fecker down and tell the next one not to get too close.

Putin will do what he wants, when he wants without givin a flip. He's old school. Obama just doesn't wanna hurt anyone's feelings. This guy's foreign policy is a joke.
When the facts change I change my mind, what do you do sir
  • #890,358
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:54pm Apr 15, 2014 12:54pm
Quoting Gaviscon3
{quote} Isn't it young western men would not have the desire and mental attitude to fight a foreign war due to modern progressive attitudes and having more to lose today than young men of the first half of the twentieth century i.e. comfortable lives, high standard of living with constitutional rights etc? But if say Russia were to invade US mainland, i.e. threatening the existence of that societal ideal, that would produce the opposite effect - ultimate defense of values.
Don't forget

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/1...-s-east-coast/

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...-Off-U-S-Coast

Do we believe the intel community (Air Force Cyber command/CIA) that they didn't know about it .. just as they didn't know Russia was going to invade Ukraine ... and they don't know where flight MH370 is ...

Or do they know, and they are simply collecting data ... information.

The Snowden doc's showed a lot of information (The NSA can hack a computer based on collecting the SOUND of the processor/frequency) ... was that a planned leak by the CIA by some do-gooders that knew change is coming and wanted reform to be ahead of the curve ... or is everything as is what is presented.

The Air Force launched secret cargo into space. and has been. That is fine, BUT international treaties only allow a certain size cargo container to be shipped to space or else you have to tell other members of the world what the flight manifesto is ... The Air Force has been breaking those rules also.

http://www.space.com/18851-air-force...7b-launch.html



I think the US knows what is going on ... there are some sharp un-elected officials who have war time experience from the cold war days ... and a basic low ranking Brig General has to attend war school in order to put on a star ... they hammer out the details and they don't forget. 99.9% of the military is preparing for the .01% chance that something happens. What if something is happening.
  • #890,359
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:56pm Apr 15, 2014 12:56pm
Quoting artocarpus
{quote} I'm expecting yen become a safe haven again War in ukraine will help it
Possible. I just don't think it will really happen until hell breaks loose. Traders wanna hold on to this crummy rally at all costs. Yen barely did anything after reports the BoJ won't ease.

.15% upside on potential war? Geez, I've see it shoot up 2% on lesser things.
When the facts change I change my mind, what do you do sir
  • #890,360
  • Apr 15, 2014 12:56pm Apr 15, 2014 12:56pm
Quoting Pip Anon
{quote} It's just crazy. Obama speaks softly and carries a whiffle bat. Nobody on Earth takes this dude seriously. If Putin decided to fly a jet, making passes in proximity, I would shoot that fecker down and tell the next one not to get too close. Putin will do what he wants, when he wants without givin a flip. He's old school. Obama just doesn't wanna hurt anyone's feelings. This guy's foreign policy is a joke.
Obama looks that way, agree.. However, I would not count him out.. at all.
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