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  • #17,701
  • Apr 13, 2014 6:49pm Apr 13, 2014 6:49pm
Quoting sparrowia
I'm just going to jump in here as I've been lurking and learning. {quote} Fin: Repaint just means that the indicator will show one signal and then later change to another signal based on new data from the market. From a trading standpoint a repainting indicator cannot be trusted because it changes and thus the signals it provides change. You should download Symphonie 4.4h (I think this is the latest). It does not repaint. Eval: Thank you for sharing this system with everyone. I'm going to start trading it this next week. Right now I like...

I trade EURUSD, USDJPY, GBPUSD, EURCAD, EURJPY, Gold, and DOW futures most of the time. I tend to stay with EURUSD because it is the most likely pair to keep a longer trend. Unfortunate for the last 2 years it have go nowhere....

Evaluator.:nerd:
  • #17,702
  • Apr 13, 2014 7:06pm Apr 13, 2014 7:06pm
Quoting Evaluator
{quote} I trade EURUSD, USDJPY, GBPUSD, EURCAD, EURJPY, Gold, and DOW futures most of the time. I tend to stay with EURUSD because it is the most likely pair to keep a longer trend. Unfortunate for the last 2 years it have go nowhere.... Evaluator.:nerd:
I want to use this occasion "that you are here" to thank you, Evaluator. I think I will use it this week with post # 15822 for the system and post # 17261 for your final settings. Just tell me if I solved the puzzle.

*Still, if I have questions in applying it, I will ask you !

Cheers.

FA.
  • #17,703
  • Apr 13, 2014 7:34pm Apr 13, 2014 7:34pm
Ok. I have problem on where exactly I shall put the setting in the input of the indicator. Specifically, Do I have to fill the number of time frame I use, like 1, 5, 15 minutes in?

Most importantly, I found 3 places I shall fill in the Extreme Indicator if I use timeframes 5 minutes and 15 minutes, while if I use the other time frames, I shall fill with only 2. This is of course if I use settings in post # 17261. So, where shall I fill the 3 and where shall I fill the 2, noting that when I did that for the time frame 5 minutes, the third number "the bar count" which is "0.05 or 0.2" in the settings, MetaTrader 4.0 considered it "and it should do" as a complete number.

So HELP !
  • #17,704
  • Apr 13, 2014 7:56pm Apr 13, 2014 7:56pm
If I:
1. go to -----> MQL4 folder then --------> Indicators folder then paste Symphony Indicator;
2. Then went to my terminal and activate every thing in Options ------->Expert Advisors, then drop the indicator in one 5 minutes EURUSD chart and input its setting and click OK.....
Will I after saving it as a template load that template and use it for other 5 minutes charts for other pairs, or I shall do the procedure from scratch ?

I am new to all of these steps .

FA.
  • #17,705
  • Edited 8:19am Apr 14, 2014 7:59am | Edited 8:19am
Anyone else trading the 1H charts? In back testing they seem to give great signals consistently with very little DD. I am in USDJPY and EURUSD trades right now on that timeframe with both at + SL. With all the news coming out this week for USD I figured a higher timeframe was going to be safer.

Thoughts?
  • #17,706
  • Apr 14, 2014 8:57am Apr 14, 2014 8:57am
Quoting finaladd
Ok. I have problem on where exactly I shall put the setting in the input of the indicator. Specifically, Do I have to fill the number of time frame I use, like 1, 5, 15 minutes in? Most importantly, I found 3 places I shall fill in the Extreme Indicator if I use timeframes 5 minutes and 15 minutes, while if I use the other time frames, I shall fill with only 2. This is of course if I use settings in post # 17261. So, where shall I fill the 3 and where shall I fill the 2, noting that when I did that for the time frame 5 minutes, the third number...
Attached is my 15 minutes chart with its Evaluator's latest settings in post # 17261. How can I input them while there is no placeenough for all numbers he puts, especially the Extreme inputs. I'm waiting for a help to fix things !
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  • #17,707
  • Apr 14, 2014 9:13am Apr 14, 2014 9:13am
Quoting finaladd
{quote} Attached is my 15 minutes chart with its Evaluator's latest settings in post # 17261. How can I input them while there is no placeenough for all numbers he puts, especially the Extreme inputs. I'm waiting for a help to fix things ! {image} {image} {image}
Fin: The indicator has all of the required fields. The extreme is 2 fields. He lists 4 on the M5 settings but says *OR*. So for the first field use .00057 OR .002 and in the second field use .05 OR .2.
  • #17,708
  • Apr 14, 2014 9:36am Apr 14, 2014 9:36am
Quoting sparrowia
{quote} Fin: The indicator has all of the required fields. The extreme is 2 fields. He lists 4 on the M5 settings but says *OR*. So for the first field use .00057 OR .002 and in the second field use .05 OR .2.
Thanks sparrowia. I am not talking about the "or" formula, as it is understandable. If you go to post # 17261, see the settings for the extreme Indicator for the 5 minutes and 15 minutes, take the 15 minutes to make things clear: he puts three rows:
0.007
then
0.00052
then
0.9 or 0.5

So, my concerns are: those are three rows that need three empty blanks to fill in. Where are the three blanks, knowing that in the "Input" tab in the indicator itself, the third blank is for the bar count "plz see the above image", that has to be in complete correct number not in fractions like those 0.9 or 0.5, so what to do?

Plus, when I downloaded the indicator, I found that the bar count is zero. I put 500, but I don't know if it is right or not.

The last thing is that I chose the alert timeframe number, does it matter if I change the number?

Thanks for sharing your thought.

FA.
  • #17,709
  • Apr 14, 2014 10:19am Apr 14, 2014 10:19am
Quoting finaladd
{quote} Thanks sparrowia. I am not talking about the "or" formula, as it is understandable. If you go to post # 17261, see the settings for the extreme Indicator for the 5 minutes and 15 minutes, take the 15 minutes to make things clear: he puts three rows: 0.007 then 0.00052 then 0.9 or 0.5 So, my concerns are: those are three rows that need three empty blanks to fill in. Where are the three blanks, knowing that in the "Input" tab in the indicator itself, the third blank is for the bar count "plz see the above image", that has to be in complete...
Fin: I think you need to experiment a bit. At the time he posted that chart he mentions (post #17259) that he was using .007 / .5 for extreme. Just mess around with them and backtest. See what grabs the most pips with the least drawdown. There is another chart you can find from page one that omits the other numbers. Use that one or experiment with both. This is about as cookie cutter as you can get, but you still need to put in some time optimizing for your trading style.
  • #17,710
  • Apr 14, 2014 11:18am Apr 14, 2014 11:18am
Quoting Evaluator
I have not updated the Matrix settings I use for long time. My apologizes. Here is my current settings list of input settings that I use to trade and find work best. Best of Luck, Evaluator.:nerd: {image}
Can you see the numbers in the 15 minutes chart sparrowia? They are NOT two cells, they are three and with options in them.
Can you explain please?

FA.
  • #17,711
  • Apr 14, 2014 11:19am Apr 14, 2014 11:19am
Quoting finaladd
{quote} Can you see the numbers in the 15 minutes chart sparrowia? They are NOT two cells, they are three and with options in them. Can you explain please? FA.
Oh, I quoted the post #17261 for the image in it but didn't see it . Whatever.
  • #17,712
  • Apr 14, 2014 1:09pm Apr 14, 2014 1:09pm
Quoting finaladd
{quote} Can you see the numbers in the 15 minutes chart sparrowia? They are NOT two cells, they are three and with options in them. Can you explain please? FA.
I can see them, but there is another chart that omits the extra number (linked to from page 1). In any case, it doesn't matter. The numbers in both of the matrices are almost a year old. Markets change. Use them as a starting point and work from there to optimize it forthe current market conditions. That's really about all the help I can provide. If somebody else has something to add, please jump in.
  • #17,713
  • Apr 14, 2014 5:21pm Apr 14, 2014 5:21pm
Evaluator,

1. Can you please publish your latest setting for the Symphony, specifically:
Alert timeframe: Timeframe: Bar count: Bar width:
Sentiment.........> Fast EMA: Slow EMA: MACD SMA:
Emotion............> ma:
Trendline..........> Trendline CCI Period:
Extreme...........> Step: Maximum:
2. "true" and "false" conditions in the indicator .........> inputs, are something that we may change or no?
3. Do you prefer a timeframe to trade over a timeframe because of its more correct performance and such stuff? I want a period with which I open and close a trade profitably within an hour "but less period is surely accepted". And
4. After dropping the indicator into my desired chart with its desired timeframe and input the settings, can I save those all as a template and load it to benefit from all of its features, instead of "dropping the indicator into my second desired chart with its desired timeframe and input its settings" each time?

Thanks a lot.

FA.
  • #17,714
  • Apr 14, 2014 5:42pm Apr 14, 2014 5:42pm
Quoting Evaluator
Exit Strategy One. (most conservative) ............ If the price action movement is stronger that the cycle extreme shows one would be exiting potentially at the first beginnings of a strong movement and will miss out of the entire movement.
SPECIAL EXCEPTION to Exit Strategy (original version only) This exception applies to all Exit Strategies and supersedes them. When a trade produces an Extreme Spikes before reaching 30 pips....,EXIT THE TRADE IMMEDIATELY.

I have read them with their practical applications, but when I reread them in post 1, I am confused now.

Can you please say those two comments in another way Evaluator "knowing I use the v4.4"?

Thanks. FA
  • #17,715
  • Apr 14, 2014 7:38pm Apr 14, 2014 7:38pm
Quoting finaladd
{quote} I have read them with their practical applications, but when I reread them in post 1, I am confused now. Can you please say those two comments in another way Evaluator "knowing I use the v4.4"? Thanks. FA

Please see

  1. Post 17,261

Those are the settings that I use.


Evaluator.:nerd:

P.S. It is listed in post 1

  • #17,716
  • Apr 14, 2014 9:11pm Apr 14, 2014 9:11pm
Quoting Evaluator
{quote} Please see Post 17,261 Those are the settings that I use. Evaluator.:nerd: P.S. It is listed in post 1
Thanks for this Evaluator,

I am talking about two different topics: your settings on post #17261 and how you typed in it for the 5 minutes and 15 minutes -may be by fault- three inputs for Extreme Indicator, please see them there, since one cant put three inputs into two blanks.

While the second topic is for your exit strategies: You told in post 1 what to do after we profit and after an indicator changes its color, but you didn't mention what if the market went against our trade from the trade's beginning, whether to watch a changing in an indication color or not, so, do we have to only put our Stop Loss order, and leave it, or there is something to do?
Thanks.


FA.
  • #17,717
  • Apr 15, 2014 7:14am Apr 15, 2014 7:14am
Quoting realjumper
Lately I have had some requests to explain the way I trade Symphonie, and I have promised to cobble together a document to outline what I do. This method has stood me in good stead for many months now and as most people here will know, I am not above going down to the M1 charts to eek out pips when the PA won't behave. The method I have explained in the PDF inside the attached zip file can be successfully applied to any time frame....although I have only tested at length up to the M15 charts. This method may be added to in the future as Ohammond...
Hi RJ,

Are your quoted settings included in the latest Symphonie System?

Thanks.

FA.
  • #17,718
  • Apr 20, 2014 9:50am Apr 20, 2014 9:50am
Evaluator,

Can I add 2 features to your system?
1. To compute Symphonie's settings automatically by finding out a formula "using probability science & exceptions" between tops & bottoms formed and between each setting "minimum-maximum" in the 4 indicators that works best with;
2. You make your system an EA so one will not be forced to monitor ALL TIME expecting the color change. It is very hard not to know when will the colors change, so we rent a VPS and run the EA on it, no matter how long a trade will be. Every element you have talked is implemented into it:
Risk Management: 10% max of equity,
Entry: All indicators are one colored,
Trigger: Pending Order,
Stop Loss: No more than 50 pips with Trailing Stop at 100 point "10 pips",
Take Profit "Exit": Moderate type which takes half of the trade when "Extreme Indi" changes its color and takes the other half when "Trend Indi" changes its color "not the contrary".

I know you're done with lots of questions but please I hope you answer this.

Regards,

FA.
  • #17,719
  • Apr 20, 2014 11:34am Apr 20, 2014 11:34am
Quoting Evaluator
WOW...market seems as dead as this thread... Anyone out there? Anyone care to post a comment?
I am trying to make this thread LIVE Evaluator. Really good job. However, I can make it an EA with some ideas, yet need your team's & your help.

Finaladd.
  • #17,720
  • Apr 20, 2014 4:59pm Apr 20, 2014 4:59pm
Quoting finaladd
{quote} I am trying to make this thread LIVE Evaluator. Really good job. However, I can make it an EA with some ideas, yet need your team's & your help. Finaladd.
Finaladd - I have capacity on my vps if you wish to have someone else run the system also. Certainly interested. Just PM me if you wish.
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