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  • #68,801
  • Apr 12, 2014 10:35am Apr 12, 2014 10:35am
just another example on m1 chart,,,,indicates effort to rise before test of supply,,on low volumes in a narrow range?
i think,,correct me if im wrong its a sign of bears.

what happened to price? weeeeeeeee-----> downit went
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  • #68,802
  • Edited 1:42pm Apr 12, 2014 11:02am | Edited 1:42pm
[Quote = devontrader; 7401502] sólo otro ejemplo en el gráfico m1,,,, indica el esfuerzo a subir antes de la prueba de la oferta, en bajos volúmenes en un rango estrecho? creo,, corríjame si soy malo que es un signo de los osos. ¿qué pasó con los precios? weeeeeeeee -----> downit fue {image} [/ quote]

In what contribute these indicators that we can not see in the Candlestick, Price Action and Volume and S & R?
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Check your emotions. How are you?
  • #68,803
  • Apr 12, 2014 11:07am Apr 12, 2014 11:07am
Repsaj

you.put your curser over the little symbol and it tells you.
  • #68,804
  • Apr 12, 2014 11:11am Apr 12, 2014 11:11am
I think for everyone these 2 indicators with volume analyses could be useful so would like tah to take a look and maybe make changes if needed

I think they may complement the system but will let tah make that decision once he has the 2 indicators to look at
  • #68,805
  • Apr 12, 2014 11:56am Apr 12, 2014 11:56am
Quoting devontrader
I think for everyone these 2 indicators with volume analyses could be useful so would like tah to take a look and maybe make changes if needed I think they may complement the system but will let tah make that decision once he has the 2 indicators to look at
I only use 2 indicators.

1. The mindset of smart money.

2. Where can they make the most money.

It´s like a shark attacking a single tuna for a quick meal or a shark attacking a whole bunch of tuna for meals on end.

Which shark do you want to be ?

H
"The future is already written in the past"
  • #68,806
  • Edited Apr 13, 2014 4:10am Apr 12, 2014 12:04pm | Edited Apr 13, 2014 4:10am
Message that was sanctioned by master sonic and approved for all to share

deleted at the request of tah.

your wish is granted tah
  • #68,807
  • Apr 12, 2014 12:09pm Apr 12, 2014 12:09pm
REPSAJ

i fully respect your view along with hansma

but

for some they cant read the price action and volume yet

if this helps then great

each to there own method within the boundry of the sonicrsystem
  • #68,808
  • Apr 12, 2014 12:25pm Apr 12, 2014 12:25pm
Quoting devontrader
REPSAJ i fully respect your view along with hansma but for some they cant read the price action and volume yet if this helps then great each to there own method within the boundry of the sonicrsystem
Do you think that someone who can not read the Price Action should not expose his own money in this business?
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  • #68,809
  • Apr 12, 2014 12:35pm Apr 12, 2014 12:35pm
Repsaj

im merely saying if it helps you to read and use pvsra then fine,,,not everyone is totally 100% with reading a chart.

so i intentions is to provide to help.

if you read the 5 step secret pdf it says merely looking for engulfing candle or pin bar

if you know anything about vsa ,,,a head shake--stop hunter-- pin bar is known in vsa terms as an upthrust.

if you know any setups regarding smart money and volume one is effort to rise which then is followed by an upthrust the the seq is completed by a no demand which is signs of weakness. the no demand commonly happens when price rises up to retest the high before falling.

these 3 seq all come within 25bars

if your trying to learn pvsra and not totally with it then if you see a coloured candle and a coloured volume then the indicator can tell you via the symbol whats happend ie stopping volume.

while your getting to grips with it the indicators can help,,,,once your with it then take the indicators off.

they are purely there to help if so find it useful.

i think of it as providing an option with may help.
  • #68,810
  • Apr 12, 2014 12:41pm Apr 12, 2014 12:41pm
Quoting Repsaj
{quote} You do not have the source files (. mq4)?

you dont neet the mql4 source file

goto file--open data folder---mql4----indicators (insert indicators here)

close mt4

open mt4

indicators should then be in custom indicator list
  • #68,811
  • Apr 12, 2014 12:50pm Apr 12, 2014 12:50pm
Quoting devontrader
Repsaj im merely saying if it helps you to read and use pvsra then fine,,,not everyone is totally 100% with reading a chart. so i intentions is to provide to help. if you read the 5 step secret pdf it says merely looking for engulfing candle or pin bar if you know anything about vsa ,,,a head shake--stop hunter-- pin bar is known in vsa terms as an upthrust. if you know any setups regarding smart money and volume one is effort to rise which then is followed by an upthrust the the seq is completed by a no demand which is signs of weakness. the no...
I respect his intentions, which are highly commendable. I just wanted to know if the indicators contributed something else besides what we already know or should know.
You answer that would be useful for those who do not understand PVSRA; then I say that someone who does not understand should not expose the money.
Yet I have an utility such indicators to implement a robot, but that is out of this thread
Check your emotions. How are you?
  • #68,812
  • Edited 1:55pm Apr 12, 2014 1:01pm | Edited 1:55pm
Quoting devontrader
{quote} you dont neet the mql4 source file goto file--open data folder---mql4----indicators (insert indicators here) close mt4 open mt4 indicators should then be in custom indicator list
Here I do not agree with you. In this thread I find the source code of all indicators is in sight.
And, yes, you must know the source code, to experiment and improve what it takes:
(Stopping volume is suggested by the indicator a little early)

By the way, What is the purpose MA in 3 Colors (diamonds). ex4?
Who does not have a simple moving average of 20 periods, if to use it?

Also look at the mess on the panel.
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  • #68,813
  • Apr 12, 2014 1:49pm Apr 12, 2014 1:49pm
ma in 3 is basically some ones attempt to write a mt4 indicator of the tradeguider proprietry trending indicator to indicate the vsa trend
  • #68,814
  • Apr 12, 2014 1:54pm Apr 12, 2014 1:54pm
Quoting kdxrider3
One more thing to share .... Here at this site Myfxbook you can draw out charts to see how real time markets prevail - good stuff....attached is the GJ Daily( after you draw up the lines the candles fill in later ) ....here you can see I was expecting a drop but it went sideways this can help a lot of Sonicers see there predictions...but of course don't predict ....just follow the SM ...but if you want to throw up a few lines on a chart then go back a week or month later it can be VERY interesting... The best to all.... {image}...
kdxrider3,

MT4 has always allowed users to do the same thing. Dress up any chart with whatever lines and text you want to, and then close the chart. Just be sure you have previously selected to "save" closed charts. Anytime later - hours, days, weeks, etc. - you can select the chart from the drop down menu and see what you saved and everything that happened since.

If you save the chart as, for example, an H1 chart then do not close/save another H1 chart of the same pair because the last closed H1 chart of the pair will override any previously closed H1 chart of the same pair. What I do is switch the chart TF (after marking it up) to a TF chart that I would rarely be using and closing (like a Month chart TF). That way, I can always find that Month chart later and open it up, without fear that I inadvertently close another Month chart of the same pair and TF which would have overwritten the one I wanted to keep for the future.

-tah
  • #68,815
  • Edited 3:32pm Apr 12, 2014 3:06pm | Edited 3:32pm
Quoting hansma
{quote} I only use 2 indicators. 1. The mindset of smart money. 2. Where can they make the most money. It´s like a shark attacking a single tuna for a quick meal or a shark attacking a whole bunch of tuna for meals on end. Which shark do you want to be ? H
Wisdom of Hansma

hansma,

Nice post as usual, intelligent statements causing traders to pause and think, and realize they have no real idea what you are talking about!

I am not sure I do, either. What adds to the value of this thread is when the wise go beyond statements to detailed explanations. I do not consider myself so wise, but here is my "interpretation" of what you mean. Really, hansma, it would help if you confirm this, or provide your own explanation.

AUDUSD example:

1. DAY chart shows previous "supply" area (resistance), where the price action encountered the execution of so many selling orders (closing longs and opening shorts) that the price subsequently began dropping. Also shown is a possible "demand" area (support) that might be a target area if price drops.

2. H4 chart using PVA Volumes indicator shows once the price came up near to this supply area the MMs suddenly whipped it the rest of the way on notable volume, up and deep into the previous supply area. We might assume the notable volume to be the result of suddenly a lot of selling after the price was into this supply area. Further shown are three immediately following bars (up, down, up) also with high volumes and all spanning the breadth of the supply area. We might assume this indicates the position building efforts of "Big Money" (SMs, Smart Money, alias "MMs"), lots of selling to close longs at profit and selling to open shorts, building their short position for the future.

3. H4 also shows a later strike back up into the supply area, which we might assume was a hunt of pending stop loss orders on shorts. If this assumption is valid, then this is an extremely important clue for traders, because it answers the question....were the MMs buyers that were absorbing (matching) sell orders in order to move the price higher, or were they themselves the sellers? If the MMs are the sellers up here, which this whip back up indicates, then surely the price will eventually be going back down as the MMs whack it down to make profits on the short position being built up here.

4. Since all this action, the MMs seem to be supporting the price around the whole number area, presumably to keep it there for next week action. What action? We cannot know, but all of this would indicate the MMs are into their PVSRA Bear "Position Building" phase.

5. The two indicators hansma uses are the price candlesticks themselves and our PVA Volumes indicator.

hansma, in this example do I have your method of analysis correct?

-tah
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  • #68,816
  • Apr 12, 2014 3:31pm Apr 12, 2014 3:31pm
4. The two indicators hansma uses are the price candlesticks themselves and our PVA Volumes indicator

also known as Volume.Spread.Analysis (VSA)

so the more we can learn about the volume and the spread of the candle the better

hope the attach guide my be of use in some ways
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  • #68,817
  • Edited 3:51pm Apr 12, 2014 3:37pm | Edited 3:51pm
Quoting devontrader
4. The two indicators hansma uses are the price candlesticks themselves and our PVA Volumes indicator also known as Volume.Spread.Analysis (VSA) so the more we can learn about the volume and the spread of the candle the better hope the attach guide my be of use in some ways {image}
devontrader,

I really wish you would read and follow instructions in Post #1, so you would know what you are talking about! This is further evidence you have not done your homework.

You are incorrect in proclaiming that our PVA Volumes indicator is the same as VSA! By posting such assertions without having foreknowledge of the Sonic R. System and precise knowledge about how PVA differs from VSA (which you would have if you had followed instructions), you are misleading Sonicers.

I personally coded PVA using what I had previously coded for a volumes indicator for Sonicers, and incorporating only one concept of VSA which I felt had merit. You are on very thin ice here, by promoting VSA. Be very careful, as this is a warning to you.

-tah
  • #68,818
  • Apr 12, 2014 4:10pm Apr 12, 2014 4:10pm
only trying to help!
  • #68,819
  • Edited 5:13pm Apr 12, 2014 4:43pm | Edited 5:13pm
Quoting devontrader
only trying to help!
devontrader,

Do you really want to help out here, to help yourself and other Sonicers grow in the successful application of the Sonic R. System?

If you do, then complete your homework. Begin posting real-time trades according to the manner we prescribe (see Post #1 again). No matter how they turn out, if they are proper entries and if the posts are in proper format, then they are a valid contribution to this thread which is the text book for the Sonic R. System.

This is the best way for you and for everyone else to help out around here. It does not help at all to ask a myriad of questions already answered in the materials you should have read. And it does not help to be asking questions about how to utilize features of the MT4 platform; there are other places to find such information. Finally, it does not help to think you can add more indicators to the Sonic R. System that is elegantly simple and effective for it's sparing use of them! Why? It is because we recognize that successful traders learn how the market works and learn to exercise their brain, not just follow like sheep to the slaughter wherever they "think" the indicators are pointing!

Though we have the "Secret of Sonic R." pdf, I often think the real secret to the success of practitioners of the Sonic R. System is what was just stated. Maybe we should create another "Secrets" pdf,, title it "Secret of Sonic R. Practitioners" and it need be a pdf. of only the one statement:

Sonic R. System practitioners become successful because they learn how the market works and they learn how to use their brain accordingly, not just blindly follow indicators.

Okay?

Now I respectfully ask you to delete your post:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...75#post7401575

-tah
  • #68,820
  • Edited 8:01pm Apr 12, 2014 7:42pm | Edited 8:01pm
Does anybody know how I could get the SPX500 and JP255U prices to display? It would help make it look a lot more 'complete'
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