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  • #68,661
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:04pm Apr 10, 2014 4:04pm
Quoting devontrader
TAH just an observation from past postings ive read could candles be coloured red and green for bullish and bearish price movement. also with regards to pvsra ,,, could a row of arrows or a single big red or green arrow be displayed to identify bullish or bearish MM once identified by the system? would this easy indication take away a lot of the newbies struggling to learn pvsra. or maybe make it easier for them to understand over time
devontrader,

No. No. No. It is time to stop looking for indicators to spoon feed you and for you, as a "could be profitable trader", to begin exercising your brain.

-tah
  • #68,662
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:19pm Apr 10, 2014 4:19pm
Quoting SaiLyfee
{quote} traderathome, I am very much on the same page with this post of yours as I am wishing to give classic entries just as much as an opportunity I have been with my scout entries. For the sake of others here wishing to try out HA candles as well (such as myself), I ask if you would mind posting your HA candles indicator?
SaiLyfee,

I am using the HA indy supplied with MT4. I just today managed to get it recoded so that as the chart scale is changed, so do the size of the HA candles, but the "product" is not near well done enough for me to release. Furthermore, I just started back down this road after giving it up a couple of years ago, and I'd appreciate some time to get my socks wet before before suggesting to anyone else that the water is deep enough to dive into head first.

-tah
  • #68,663
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:22pm Apr 10, 2014 4:22pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} ElectroGypsy, Okey, if you think my full year reveal of trading while PVSRA was an "in-work" experimental project does not show profitability, then you post for a full year. Let's see if you can net as much as 1,463 pips per week average! I cannot believe you put so little thought into your accusation! How much better is it to net out with such profit after absorbing such huge losses during the experiment! And furthermore, now that the year of reveal is complete, last week I posted 2,767 pips gained and this week I have banked 2,527 pips...
You didn't respond to my next post and have dodged the critical points of my posts. Read my next post before commenting again.

Let me make this concise:
1. Have you graphed your trading results? Have you looked your equity chart? Does that show long term profitability?
2. You didn't answer my question. Why have you stopped posting your results? See my previous post for why this consistency is key.
3. You didn't answer my question. Why is Sonic planning on selling services if his system is profitable? See my other post (to which you have't replied) to understand why this is a huge conflict of interest.

You love playing the "show me your profits" card every time someone challenges you without responding with substance yourself. I'm not here to be a teacher. I'm here to be the student.

Answer those three questions.
I'm a dog chasing cars.
  • #68,664
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:33pm Apr 10, 2014 4:33pm
Quoting ElectroGypsy
{quote} You didn't respond to my next post and have dodged the critical points of my posts. Read my next post before commenting again. Let me make this concise: 1. Have you graphed your trading results? Have you looked your equity chart? Does that show long term profitability? 2. You didn't answer my question. Why have you stopped posting your results? See my previous post for why this consistency is key. 3. You didn't answer my question. Why is Sonic planning on selling services if his system is profitable? See my other post (to which you have't...
As you mention 'I'm a dog chasing cars' - keep on chasing car. Don't waste your time on trading.
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  • #68,665
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:40pm Apr 10, 2014 4:40pm
Guys Guys Guys


TAH ---- Yes sir i accept your reply and like everyone will do best

Electrogypsy----yes i understand where your comming from, but , it did come accross heavy and critical even if points are valid or not.

your comments are respected but lets concentrate on what this is really about.

caring is sharing!!!!

we all care we all share,,,here to help all ableto trade and profit

do you have a system like this one???

then please start your own thread and pls post your link here for all to follow you like all did with master sonic.

if not then please is you have good ideas to improve this system for the good of all,,,join us!
  • #68,666
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:41pm Apr 10, 2014 4:41pm
Quoting JRissa
Heads up EU! Great place to start short now. (in my opinion) If price continues upwards, I would not add before next full number. {image}
No One Can Know How Price Will Move Next

The first pic. below was posted by JRissa, and represents a competent analysis in my opinion. But, subsequent PA reverted back to the upside. The point is that the Market Makers, seeing all positions and all pending orders, decide on how price will move based on what will make them the most profits. Their decision is not based on historic PA, current PA, nor even fundamentals and "news".

Every trade.....every Classic entered and every Scout added....is subject to the impossible to know future move of price by the Market Makers. As soon as any trader begins to think they can know how price will move, their arrogance is notched up and their odds for losing are also.

This post is not about JRissa. I only used another Sonicer's posted analysis to prove this most important truth about market pricing, and present it again in case there are any Sonicers that still think they should be able to know where price is going. We can't and we shouldn't think we can. What we can know is that if price does move in one direction or the other, where are the (S&R) places in that direction that the price might - maybe - reach.

This is why Master Sonicdeejay urges Sonicers to not attempt to build a trade when the price is moving against the trade!

-tah
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  • #68,667
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:49pm Apr 10, 2014 4:49pm
Quoting Repsaj
We're out of time in London, then this we are not a Classic. But looks like. {image}
Add scout M1.
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Check your emotions. How are you?
  • #68,668
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:52pm Apr 10, 2014 4:52pm
Quoting ElectroGypsy
{quote} You didn't respond to my next post and have dodged the critical points of my posts. Read my next post before commenting again. Let me make this concise: 1. Have you graphed your trading results? Have you looked your equity chart? Does that show long term profitability? 2. You didn't answer my question. Why have you stopped posting your results? See my previous post for why this consistency is key. 3. You didn't answer my question. Why is Sonic planning on selling services if his system is profitable? See my other post (to which you have't...
This doesn't sound at all like you are being a student... rather someone who is just criticizing TAH's recent activity. Just because he stops posting his results doesn't mean that he's still not making pips. Plenty of people come in here and learn what they need to and move on.. why? Because most people don't have the patience to try and teach newbies in an online forum. If you had read in detail any of this thread then you would realize that this is one of the most active threads of FF.. and for good reason.

Don't be lazy and go through the material and find out for yourself if it is profitable. You can't expect to just cut corners and get somewhere.
  • #68,669
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:54pm Apr 10, 2014 4:54pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} {quote} Sonicers, I am not attempting to deviate from the Sonic R. System by posting with HA candles and a simple volume histogram. A price action display (any form) and "a bit of volume" - to quote Master Sonicdeejay - are both part of the essentials for the Sonic R. System, which remains the analysis of price action, volume and S&R, and that entails the use of the Dragon angle and Trend with price action waves to find trade entry. I, and others, have used HA candles before. They are not the best choice to use in conjunction with our colored...

TAH,

Thank you for this post. Your response was characteristic of the professionalism and attention to detail that was expected. I do use HA candles and have since back in the THV days and found they work for me. I have refrained from posting my HA candle charts in order to be in compliance with the Sonic R Thread rules.

If it is no longer considered to be "non-conforming to the Sonic R method", I shall post occasionally with HA's. If this is against your posting rules, then I will not. I traded with HA's long before volume was a consideration for me due to the different data supplied from Broker to Broker. As you are fully aware, if you look at different charts from different Brokers, the volume can appear quite different, as to color and size as related to the colored Sonic candles. In contrast, to look at those same charts all using the same HA's, the colors and indicated trends will be almost identical vs. volume. IMO, this could be exceptionally helpful to new traders by making a already great method even better by removing some of the frustration of subjectiveness when analyzing and discussing posted charts. Volume is useful mostly due to your implementing it into the PVSRA method and of course should continue to be considered in the manner in which you have been tirelessly training so many for so long.

I posted my previous post asking for clarification because I could feel the confusion that was being experienced among traders by attempting to understand, an already difficult and subjective method and only confused more by the posting of non-Sonic R charts posted by their leader and mentor.

Thank you for clearing this up and good luck with your HA testing. With your prior experience from the THV thread, when we all used the same colored HA's, and your knowledge of coding and implementing indicators into trading methods, I believe you pretty much know where your going with this.

God Bless and Good Trading
Cigarguy
Keep It Simple
  • #68,670
  • Apr 10, 2014 4:58pm Apr 10, 2014 4:58pm
Quoting ElectroGypsy
{quote} You didn't respond to my next post and have dodged the critical points of my posts. Read my next post before commenting again. Let me make this concise: 1. Have you graphed your trading results? Have you looked your equity chart? Does that show long term profitability? 2. You didn't answer my question. Why have you stopped posting your results? See my previous post for why this consistency is key. 3. You didn't answer my question. Why is Sonic planning on selling services if his system is profitable? See my other post (to which you have't...
ElectroGypsy,

Let me make this concise:

1. I don't dodge issues, but neither do I allow myself to be manipulated into extra work to display information in some manner as another might request. I feel I do more than enough here in the service of others as it is.

2. Therefore, I do not chart, but I have posted religiously for every week for a full year the pertinent data. Someone else did a chart on this just a week or two ago. So, if you are more interested in such a chart than in trying to pull my chain, go do your homework.

3. I promised to post for a full year. I did so. And I continue to post my real-time trades and their conclusions, which I have done now for more than five years. If that is not sufficient for you, try doing it yourself.

4. I have no information on Sonic selling anything except for a PM from another person relating to that as something found on Sonic's Facebook, which I do not participate in and have not seen. I have no personal information on this, but Sonic has not posted anything about it on this thread where everything is free.

Please, no more of this nonsense,
-tah
  • #68,671
  • Apr 10, 2014 5:04pm Apr 10, 2014 5:04pm
Quoting Dyekid217
{quote} This doesn't sound at all like you are being a student... rather someone who is just criticizing TAH's recent activity. Just because he stops posting his results doesn't mean that he's still not making pips. Plenty of people come in here and learn what they need to and move on.. why? Because most people don't have the patience to try and teach newbies in an online forum. If you had read in detail any of this thread then you would realize that this is one of the most active threads of FF.. and for good reason. Don't be lazy and go through...
Trust me my friend, I know I can't cut corners and expect to get somewhere. I admit in one of my previous posts that maybe I didn't give this system enough time. I'm not trying to be critical of TAH. TAH just happens to be the man behind the show. I'm trying to point out to the community the importance of honesty and consistency.

This forum is unfortunately starting to lack both of those. That's why I'm trying to provide some honesty. Read what I posted 2 posts ago. I talked a lot about what you are saying.

Can you answer those three questions I posed above? All I want is a real, substantial discussion without namecalling. Namecalling doesn't prove the Sonic system. Dodging the discussion doesn't prove the Sonic system. Results and transparency do.

Anyways, I'm going to hold off on clogging up this thread unless there's some substantial dialogue going on.

EDIT: Thanks for the response TAH. Unfortunately, most of it misses the point I was trying to make two posts ago. The only thing I can respond to is your second point: I have seen that chart. It's incriminating. It doesn't show consistent, long term growth. Of course, I'm trying to think like a professional trader and someone not trying to make millions in a few months.

I wish the best to everyone on this thread. Let the flaming begin.
I'm a dog chasing cars.
  • #68,672
  • Apr 10, 2014 5:06pm Apr 10, 2014 5:06pm
Quoting cigarguy
{quote} TAH, Thank you for this post. Your response was characteristic of the professionalism and attention to detail that was expected. I do use HA candles and have since back in the THV days and found they work for me. I have refrained from posting my HA candle charts in order to be in compliance with the Sonic R Thread rules. If it is no longer considered to be "non-conforming to the Sonic R method", I shall post occasionally with HA's. If this is against your posting rules, then I will not. I traded with HA's long before volume was a consideration...
cigarguy,

The use of HA candles, or simple bars, or even a price line is not contrary to the Sonic R. System; never has been.

PVA Candles and Volumes are a convenience. PVSRA can be performed more or less easily depending on exactly what form of price is used and what form of volume is used.
  • #68,673
  • Apr 10, 2014 5:10pm Apr 10, 2014 5:10pm
Electrogypsy

how about starting your own thread and teach your own successful system for free?

I will be the first to join
or have you not got one or are not willing to share?Sharing is caringand before you ask....no i havent cos altho ive been into trading for a few yrs i not become profitable yet but sonic looks good
  • #68,674
  • Apr 10, 2014 5:32pm Apr 10, 2014 5:32pm
"I wish the best to everyone on this thread. Let the flaming begin" ElectroGypsy


Tah
May I suggest with this last comment of his, best just to block him from the thread.
  • #68,675
  • Apr 10, 2014 5:37pm Apr 10, 2014 5:37pm
My Trade April, 10 2014

EURUSD Tf 15min

Buy @ 1.3852 SL 1.3832 TP1 1.3872 TP2 1.3892

R/R = 1.5

Good Trade
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  • #68,676
  • Apr 10, 2014 5:48pm Apr 10, 2014 5:48pm
To all the good people of this thread im not going to lie, whenever i start to understand something, each day i get more and more confused about whats going on with this method of trading.

It seems to me like each person is seeing and trading this method in their own different way a bit like the image below.

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YOUR MOTHERS ASS
  • #68,677
  • Apr 10, 2014 5:53pm Apr 10, 2014 5:53pm
Nice Classic Setup

This setup illustrates what we should be looking for:

1. London session entry.
2. Nice PA waves.
3. Dragon with good angle.
4. Dragon below Trend
5. Setup in proximity to whole or half number.

We can never know how price will move next, but these conditions met do improve the odds.

Price action is now below the whole number. It is impossible to know when there might be a retrace, but if there is this looks like a trade worth adding to.

-tah
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  • #68,678
  • Apr 10, 2014 6:02pm Apr 10, 2014 6:02pm
Quoting ElectroGypsy
{quote} Trust me my friend, I know I can't cut corners and expect to get somewhere. I admit in one of my previous posts that maybe I didn't give this system enough time. I'm not trying to be critical of TAH. TAH just happens to be the man behind the show. I'm trying to point out to the community the importance of honesty and consistency. This forum is unfortunately starting to lack both of those. That's why I'm trying to provide some honesty. Read what I posted 2 posts ago. I talked a lot about what you are saying. Can you answer those three questions...
ElectroGypsy,

It is you, not me, that is missing the point, missing the obvious answer to your prime question. For the last time, please, do try to carefully read and understand.....

"Thanks for the response TAH. Unfortunately, most of it misses the point I was trying to make two posts ago. The only thing I can respond to is your second point: I have seen that chart. It's incriminating. It doesn't show consistent, long term growth. Of course, I'm trying to think like a professional trader and someone not trying to make millions in a few months. " - ElectroGypsy

The results of my 52 week plan was a NET average of almost 1,500 pips per week! And that was after absorbing all the losses incurred during the learning process! On that basis alone, anyone of average intelligence or above should realize the potential! Nothing more needs to be said, except that nobody here is trying to make millions in a few months. That such is your perception (or why would you even mention it) shows you are either a very poor reader and thinker, or you are simply trying to be obnoxious.

Now, if you cannot understand that....and, .if you want guarantees about the future.....then, yes, please do exit and go. I am thru responding to your fallacious accusations. I have been more than patient with you.

-tah
  • #68,679
  • Apr 10, 2014 6:13pm Apr 10, 2014 6:13pm
Quoting traderathome
Nice Classic Setup This setup illustrates what we should be looking for: 1. London session entry. 2. Nice PA waves. 3. Dragon with good angle. 4. Dragon below Trend 5. Setup in proximity to whole or half number. We can never know how price will move next, but these conditions met do improve the odds. Price action is now below the whole number. It is impossible to know when there might be a retrace, but if there is this looks like a trade worth adding to. -tah {image}
Great example of a "true" sonic classic
Edit: Added a short pending order at 88.600. Wouldn't mind seeing the boat come back and offer another chance for me to get on board tehe
  • #68,680
  • Apr 10, 2014 6:21pm Apr 10, 2014 6:21pm
LOL @ the image

Quoting santos23
To all the good people of this thread im not going to lie, whenever i start to understand something, each day i get more and more confused about whats going on with this method of trading. It seems to me like each person is seeing and trading this method in their own different way a bit like the image below. {image}
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