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  • #22,161
  • Mar 21, 2014 5:38am Mar 21, 2014 5:38am
Quoting BorisViven
hi, my 2 trades during London. I don't trade the way you show in the last posts ("Marty's style") but i think it's a good way. I rather try to trade like Realjumper teached to us in the M1 Genesis strategy in post #1. Thanks to you all dom edit : but i have so much to learn... in particular the art of staying in the trade... {image}
Nice trades Boris. I was late on the scene tonight as the GJ and EJ had left without me so I took the EA short instead for +24. Left a lot more on the table for everyone else.........

PM1
  • #22,162
  • Mar 21, 2014 6:15pm Mar 21, 2014 6:15pm
Quoting BorisViven
hi, my 2 trades during London. I don't trade the way you show in the last posts ("Marty's style") but i think it's a good way. I rather try to trade like Realjumper teached to us in the M1 Genesis strategy in post #1. Thanks to you all dom edit : but i have so much to learn... in particular the art of staying in the trade... {image}
Good trading BV

The key to good exits is the same as good entries................trust the indies/signals/system

Cheers J.
Winning isnt everything but coming second sucks (Charlie Brown)
  • #22,163
  • Edited 11:54pm Mar 21, 2014 10:23pm | Edited 11:54pm
Quoting BorisViven
I don't trade the way you show in the last posts ("Marty's style") but i think it's a good way.
I think you were referring me there. Both Marty and RJ are great traders and results from the trading style of both, are excellent. Though, agreed with RJ's type of trading style, you will get a lot more entries than Marty's trading style. So, here, on this excellent thread, it has not only given us a Great System to Trade. But, has also given 2 different (profitable and reliable) trading styles from very knowledgeable & experienced traders. Now, it's in our hands, to see What Suits us the Best..

And, as u will see, Yesterday, Trading as per Marty's Style, I had only one trade on GJ during FO-LO and didn't took the second sharp turn post LO. Closed GJ for +56 at S2.

Reason for Entry:-

1.) M30 & H1 Stoch quite Strong.
2.) M15 Stoch also Strong.
3.) M5-H1 Matrix all Red.
4.) AscTrend upto H1 all Bearish.

So, the pair was strong Bearish, no doubt. And, triggered an entry on M1 trade as soon as M5 Stoch got aligned to all the 3 Stochs (15, 30, 60).Now, here, M5 Stoch was very low, even below 20. Reason to take such a low Stoch was....all Stoch''s were Strong and in Alignment and more importantly H4 Stoch was quite Strong and you will see each HTF Stochs were backing LTF Stoch's. So, in such a Strong Setup, it will hardly give M5 Stoch a chance to retrace back and recross back in the same direction.

And, i didn't took the second trade, the one that reversed, Post LO..Though, it looked nice, once it broked S1 ( M15, M30, H1 Stoch were Strong). But, again M5 Stoch were too low, for me and H1 Matrix was still bearish, to take that trade. (So, it was a more like a CT trade, which i always tends to avoid). Note :- I would have taken this Low M5 Stoch trade..If, H1 Matrix supported it & if all other HTF Stoch's are backing LTF's Stoch and H4 Stoch is Strong and backing M30 and H1....Like it was in the First Trade, that i took.

But, for the one's that considers CT Trades, then for them it was a very profitable trade to miss..

For Exit:- Here, I exited my trade on S2..Because it was behind my mind..LO can either boost your move or it can reverse it all..So was happy to close it out at S2 because was getting 50+ pips..But, if i would have used system for exit (Mostly, that I do) then I would have exited at the green circle shown in M1 chart. My Criteria For Exit:- M5 TVI giving opposite signal and M5 ,M15 stoch crossing and moving in the same direction of M5 TVI. (Again, this was invented by Marty, u will see it if u search Marty's posts of this year,..it's working for me..and my exits has improved dramatically by following this). But, Note :- This works only if you are in a Strong Trend move..I would not recommend this exit criteria for a CT Trade..


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Secret Lies in buy LOW sell HIGH concept keep working on it until u succeed
  • #22,164
  • Mar 21, 2014 10:53pm Mar 21, 2014 10:53pm
Quoting mazprofx
{quote} I think you were referring me there. Both Marty and RJ are great traders and results from the trading style of both, are excellent. Though, agreed with RJ's type of trading style, you will get a lot more entries than Marty's trading style. So, here, on this excellent thread, it has not only given us a Great System to Trade. But, has also given 2 different (profitable and reliable) trading styles from very knowledgeable & experienced traders. Now, it's in our hands, to see What Suits us the Best.. And, as u will see, Yesterday,...
A very thorough explanation Maz...............as you have just posted you only need one good trade.................you don't need heaps of trades to build the account........some traders see that activity = profitability....................in most cases it doesn't................it pays to wait for these great setups and trade them appropriately. Well done.

PM1
  • #22,165
  • Mar 21, 2014 11:01pm Mar 21, 2014 11:01pm
Quoting PipMonster1
{quote} A very thorough explanation Maz...............as you have just posted you only need one good trade.................you don't need heaps of trades to build the account........some traders see that activity = profitability....................in most cases it doesn't................it pays to wait for these great setups and trade them appropriately. Well done. PM1
Perfect Wordings with a Moral..

mazprofx.
Secret Lies in buy LOW sell HIGH concept keep working on it until u succeed
  • #22,166
  • Edited 11:29pm Mar 21, 2014 11:05pm | Edited 11:29pm
Quoting mazprofx
{quote}My Criteria For Exit:- M5 TVI giving opposite signal and M5 ,M15 stoch crossing and moving in the same direction of M5 TVI. (Again, this was invented by Marty, u will see it if u search Marty's posts of this year,..it's working for me..and my exits has improved dramatically by following this). But, Note :- This works only if you are in a Strong Trend move..I would not recommend this exit criteria for a CT Trade.. mazprofx. {image} {image} {image} {image}
Hi!! PM1,

Will u Help me, to Find that Marty's post, in which he stated this..I am unable to find that..

mazprofx.
Secret Lies in buy LOW sell HIGH concept keep working on it until u succeed
  • #22,167
  • Edited 11:58pm Mar 21, 2014 11:19pm | Edited 11:58pm
PM1,

I got it..It's as follows:-

Quoting Martyfish
{quote} Stochastics and TVI are recording the change in buying/selling pressure that instigate a change in the direction of PA, that GHL & T3 then register as trend direction. So once Stochs and TVI change and continue in the same direction, trend will also continue in that direction.
I interpreted it, and using it, for my exits. Though, as i said, this only works if you are in a Strong Trend..will not recommend this for a CT trade.

mazprofx.
Secret Lies in buy LOW sell HIGH concept keep working on it until u succeed
  • #22,168
  • Mar 22, 2014 12:38am Mar 22, 2014 12:38am
Quoting mazprofx
PM1, I got it..It's as follows:- {quote} I interpreted it, and using it, for my exits. Though, as i said, this only works if you are in a Strong Trend..will not recommend this for a CT trade. mazprofx.
That's it !

PM1
  • #22,169
  • Mar 22, 2014 3:20am Mar 22, 2014 3:20am
Quoting mazprofx
{quote} I think you were referring me there. Both Marty and RJ are great traders and results from the trading style of both, are excellent. Though, agreed with RJ's type of trading style, you will get a lot more entries than Marty's trading style. So, here, on this excellent thread, it has not only given us a Great System to Trade. But, has also given 2 different (profitable and reliable) trading styles from very knowledgeable & experienced traders. Now, it's in our hands, to see What Suits us the Best.. And, as u will see, Yesterday,...
Hi mazprofx,

very nice trading mate. I like the way you explain your reasons for entries and exit, always very clear !
thanks for that.
thanks for your words, PM1 and JJRE !

take care
dom
  • #22,170
  • Mar 23, 2014 9:48pm Mar 23, 2014 9:48pm
Last post!!

As I said at the beginning of this year, I would not be around as much as I have been in the past because I want to spend more time trading and less time answering extremely annoying questions that have been answered several times already in the past! Just a few days back I got a PM from a non member informing me that the ASCTrend indi repaints!!!...FFS!!!

I'm disappointed that no less than 5 times I have explained at length why I do not want this system changed or modified, yet despite all the promises of the people, both new and old members, I see that people just cannot, or will not respect my request.

I had hoped that when I closed the thread to everyone and only let in people after they had spent some time waiting, and therefore had an opportunity to ready the thread, that things would improve. But that hope has been dashed many times. People say all the right things, and then many just carry on and ignore my request, which is actually a condition of entry here.

So for me, enough is enough. It used to be a pleasure to be here in this thread, but increasingly it has become nothing more than a pain in the ass because people just will not respect my simple wish to keep the thread clean...a request that I have explained at length several times.

So you won......finally you have beaten me into submission!!!

From here on, the thread will be open to anyone who wants to post and I will not be around any longer to police the thread. Further, I will be closing off the facility for receiving PM's because I don't want any further stupid questions that have been answered multiple times, to be wasting my time.

People don't want to spend their time to read the thread, yet those same people are happy to waste my time!!

So it's been a great roller coaster ride and I know several people who have stuck to the system have come out as very profitable traders.....and that makes it all worth while for me.

What am I going to do?......I'm going to continue taking the banks money. I hope you will too.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #22,171
  • Mar 23, 2014 10:32pm Mar 23, 2014 10:32pm
Quoting realjumper
Last post!! . What am I going to do?......I'm going to continue taking the banks money. I hope you will too.
Bugger!!!

Totally understand your decision; pity though. Thank you for a great method and all the best.
  • #22,172
  • Mar 24, 2014 2:13am Mar 24, 2014 2:13am
Quoting realjumper
Last post!!
Sad, sad!
RJ, I am really sad to see you leave but genuinely appreciate the effort you have put in to to keep the thread clean.
Thank you for sharing your hard won skills with this community.
Success is a marathon, not a sprint!
  • #22,173
  • Mar 24, 2014 2:39am Mar 24, 2014 2:39am
I just don't get why people feel the need to PM RJ / anyone ... so much info is on the thread ... sadly though, a lot of people want spoon-fed.

Totally respect your decision RJ - wish you all the best for your future trading, and thanks for sharing Genesis ... 20 months of policing a thread would drive us all a little up the wall I'm sure!

Happy trading!
1 pip at a time ... if the entries are strong, the rest will follow ...
  • #22,174
  • Mar 24, 2014 2:43am Mar 24, 2014 2:43am
Sorry RJ.
Make an effort and always keep 'ordered' the thread which I think is the only one of all FF.
Suffice it to those who are not well go somewhere else ......
Force RJ' always a reference for us.
Hello
  • #22,175
  • Mar 24, 2014 3:35am Mar 24, 2014 3:35am
Quoting realjumper
Last post!!
Sad to see the end of RJ's thread.

Always a brave decision to start a FF System thread, as there is always a never ending stream of people wanting to learn.

That unfortunately means taking people's valuable time.

It is also uncanny how new traders questions never seem to change, they regularly make very similar mistakes, and ask the same questions, but the market dynamics never change - Trend and momentum.

Where in the end, I believe it is people's discipline and patience, are the reasons, most people fail (and lack of capital).

Thanks for all your help RJ, couldn't have made it without your invaluable help.

All the best everyone, and good luck in your trading.
I am a fallible imperfect person; so I must be a fallible imperfect trader.
  • #22,176
  • Edited 4:21am Mar 24, 2014 4:07am | Edited 4:21am
Quoting realjumper
Last post!! As I said at the beginning of this year, I would not be around as much as I have been in the past because I want to spend more time trading and less time answering extremely annoying questions that have been answered several times already in the past! Just a few days back I got a PM from a non member informing me that the ASCTrend indi repaints!!!...FFS!!! I'm disappointed that no less than 5 times I have explained at length why I do not want this system changed or modified, yet despite all the promises of the people, both new and old...
I LOVE IT
Talk to you later...

EDIT:
Thoughts

I kind of think of it like it's a book, and the book is complete. Why do these muppets want to join in? Who gives a fuck about their charts and their stupid questions? Everything is already in the book...but....they are too lazy to read the book.....but they are happy for me to read it to them like a bed time story!!

The book is complete...there is nothing more to say....it's an instruction book, and it's complete!

End of story!!!
  • #22,177
  • Mar 24, 2014 4:29am Mar 24, 2014 4:29am
To RJ, thank you for your time on this thread. I would assume you would pop in here and there. Regardless you gave us a valuable tool. Many has profit and yet some are still learning the real Genesis (like me). I never asked you any questions off PM because you usually addressed it on this thread in the past.

And to others, please stick to Post 1 on this thread, it is the heartline of Genesis.
  • #22,178
  • Edited 5:05am Mar 24, 2014 4:55am | Edited 5:05am
Quoting Fame of me
{quote} I kind of think of it like it's a book, and the book is complete. Why do these muppets want to join in? Who gives a fuck about their charts and their stupid questions? Everything is already in the book...but....they are too lazy to read the book.....but they are happy for me to read it to them like a bed time story!! The book is complete...there is nothing more to say....it's an instruction book, and it's complete! End of story!!!
Very eloquently put FOM!

It's such a shame that it's come to this but it comes as no surprise at all.

To RJ, the Genesis team and to Marty, I thank you all for the help and guidance offered on this thread. I wouldn't be where I am today without your wisdom and insight.

It's going to be 'interesting' to see where the thread goes from here...........................
A MOUSE THAT ROARS IS STILL NOTHING MORE THAN A MOUSE!
  • #22,179
  • Mar 24, 2014 5:02am Mar 24, 2014 5:02am
Quoting realjumper
Last post!! As I said at the beginning of this year, I would not be around as much as I have been in the past because I want to spend more time trading and less time answering extremely annoying questions that have been answered several times already in the past! Just a few days back I got a PM from a non member informing me that the ASCTrend indi repaints!!!...FFS!!! I'm disappointed that no less than 5 times I have explained at length why I do not want this system changed or modified, yet despite all the promises of the people, both new and old...
Sorry to see you leave, RJ.

Without your help I would not have been where I am at the moment.

Wish you all success in your future ventures.

Padila
What the mind does not know, the eyes cannot see
  • #22,180
  • Mar 24, 2014 5:06am Mar 24, 2014 5:06am
Quoting mazprofx
{quote} I think you were referring me there. Both Marty and RJ are great traders and results from the trading style of both, are excellent. Though, agreed with RJ's type of trading style, you will get a lot more entries than Marty's trading style. So, here, on this excellent thread, it has not only given us a Great System to Trade. But, has also given 2 different (profitable and reliable) trading styles from very knowledgeable & experienced traders. Now, it's in our hands, to see What Suits us the Best.. And, as u will see, Yesterday,...

Very nice explanation, Mazpro,

I like the way you have explained the HTF analysis and the exits in M5.

Thanks to Marty for introducing the HTF stochs and M5 exits.
What the mind does not know, the eyes cannot see
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