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  • #885,081
  • Mar 21, 2014 2:18pm Mar 21, 2014 2:18pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} what screws china is fresh water too.. in conflict gas/water or any pipeline is vulnerable. if china built all industrial projects next to a limited water supply. they would be vulnerable to conflict. the water quality would probably suffer for the drinking population. one can look on a map and see where these heavy industrial plants would be built. the gas has to get to the water supply. anyone buying pipe manufacturer's stock? cat will build it. thats a hell of a pipeline through some rough real estate

Predict the next week....
  • #885,082
  • Mar 21, 2014 2:24pm Mar 21, 2014 2:24pm
Quoting sami4240
{quote} lol.. its mean u understand what i mean..
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those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #885,083
  • Mar 21, 2014 2:27pm Mar 21, 2014 2:27pm
Can you can a can as a canner can can a can?
  • #885,084
  • Mar 21, 2014 2:29pm Mar 21, 2014 2:29pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} who would of thought, Estonia,Latvia and Lithuania ? http://www.news.com.au/world/russia-...-1226859957676
Latvia shall not be attacked. Would be a disgrace if Dukascopy EU runs away with my money
  • #885,085
  • Mar 21, 2014 2:35pm Mar 21, 2014 2:35pm
Quoting sami4240
{quote} Predict the next week....
one benefit of a industrial, oil, ng, steel, alimini, background is logistics. anything built has to meet in one place, then it has to be shipped to wherever. http://www.gracelinks.org/285/the-hi...ryday-products
growing up next to the mississippi river has its benefits. water usage amounts vary.. either way its a shitload for most raw products. even ng used to produce electricity uses water heavily...
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #885,086
  • Mar 21, 2014 2:42pm Mar 21, 2014 2:42pm
Quoting fatpanda
Can you can a can as a canner can can a can?
yes. i am a canner, of course I can can a can. Any problem with that?

Can you pan a panda as a panda can pan a panda?
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #885,087
  • Mar 21, 2014 2:46pm Mar 21, 2014 2:46pm
Quoting sami4240
{quote} Predict the next week....
sunday monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday saturday
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #885,088
  • Mar 21, 2014 2:49pm Mar 21, 2014 2:49pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} what screws china is fresh water too.. in conflict gas/water or any pipeline is vulnerable. if china built all industrial projects next to a limited water supply. they would be vulnerable to conflict. the water quality would probably suffer for the drinking population. one can look on a map and see where these heavy industrial plants would be built. the gas has to get to the water supply. anyone buying pipe manufacturer's stock? cat will build it. thats a hell of a pipeline through some rough real estate
that is true. China has lots of fresh water polluted. The people running plants mostly have no morals at all.

Fatpanda, do you have a car and do you run red light? Traffic in Chicago is bad. But if you can drive in China, you can drive in Chicago.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #885,089
  • Mar 21, 2014 2:57pm Mar 21, 2014 2:57pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} what would you do?
Well I obviously think that this is going to seriously fuck with the EU so you can bet that I've been selling Euro hard recently.

I totally agree with you, the wolfs at the door, and the crosshairs are now shifting to either Estonia, Latvia, either Lithuania. The situation in Crimea has already established a precedent that is very dangerous for the West in general. It is my belief that Putin will continue to push the envelope and get involved in one of the above mentioned countries, although for different reasons than Ukraine/Crimea.

Crimea is crucial to Russia for both economic and geopolitical reasons, as a bonus their recent actions have confirmed their beliefs in just how week the west really is at the moment. Even the American public has a very strong bias towards isolationist policy right now. Unlike Ukraine, Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania are members of NATO, Putin will go into Estonia under whatever bullshit pretext he feels like, but the only true reason for this blatant aggression will be to test the US's commitment to it's NATO obligations. When the US folds on those commitments by refusing to "boots on the ground" in Estonia, for all practical reasons NATO is dissolved and Russia has carte blanche to do as it wants. Then the real fun begins.

The wildcard in this scenario is China, and thus far it does not look like the wildcard is going to play in favor of the west.
  • #885,090
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:06pm Mar 21, 2014 3:06pm
Quoting ChevChelios
{quote} Well I obviously think that this is going to seriously fuck with the EU so you can bet that I've been selling Euro hard recently. I totally agree with you, the wolfs at the door, and the crosshairs are now shifting to either Estonia, Latvia, either Lithuania. The situation in Crimea has already established a precedent that is very dangerous for the West in general. It is my belief that Putin will continue to push the envelope and get involved in one of the above mentioned countries, although for different reasons than Ukraine/Crimea. Crimea...
there is no way Russia would allow Crimea to become a navy base of the West. It is clear and simple: Russia would go to war to prevent it from happening.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #885,091
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:11pm Mar 21, 2014 3:11pm
Quoting ChevChelios
{quote} Well I obviously think that this is going to seriously fuck with the EU so you can bet that I've been selling Euro hard recently. I totally agree with you, the wolfs at the door, and the crosshairs are now shifting to either Estonia, Latvia, either Lithuania. The situation in Crimea has already established a precedent that is very dangerous for the West in general. It is my belief that Putin will continue to push the envelope and get involved in one of the above mentioned countries, although for different reasons than Ukraine/Crimea. Crimea...
ok, but what would you do differently.
china can do what they want, but if they raise a hand in aggression with russia. they will lose a trillion + dollars forever. so i doubt it will be as easy as one suggest., they did not vote with russia in the un meeting. wallmart will not do well fighting its customers. neither would china fighting europe and u.s.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #885,092
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:17pm Mar 21, 2014 3:17pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} there is no way Russia would allow Crimea to become a navy base of the West. It is clear and simple: Russia would go to war to prevent it from happening.
after a war and they lost, what then?
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #885,093
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:19pm Mar 21, 2014 3:19pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} there is no way Russia would allow Crimea to become a navy base of the West. It is clear and simple: Russia would go to war to prevent it from happening.
That is true. I guess in my opinion the rhetoric coming out of St Petersburg is signaling that they aren't finished with this land grab. Maybe I need to take my tin-foil hat off but it also seems like the US/Western media is trying overly hard to convince the public/US markets that this is not the case, and that this in large has not sunk into peoples perception of the market's future value.

But hey this is just speculation/my opinion and it would be the first time I've been wrong. Cheers and happy Friday!

p.s. ffleo and gatorinla, keep up the good work. I only recently signed up but I have been lurking around here for longer than I care to admit, I enjoy reading both of your posts/contributions to this thread. Thanks

-Chev
  • #885,094
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:20pm Mar 21, 2014 3:20pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} ok, but what would you do differently. china can do what they want, but if they raise a hand in aggression with russia. they will lose a trillion + dollars forever. so i doubt it will be as easy as one suggest., they did not vote with russia in the un meeting. wallmart will not do well fighting its customers. neither would china fighting europe and u.s.
China would love Russia and the US to fight. China do not participate in the fight. China loves that the US takes Russia one leg off and Russia takes the US one arm off.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #885,095
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:21pm Mar 21, 2014 3:21pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} after a war and they lost, what then?
Then it's November 1989 all over again for the Ruskies, you'll hear from them again in another 20 years.
  • #885,096
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:22pm Mar 21, 2014 3:22pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} after a war and they lost, what then?
I will start long EUR again
Once scalper always scalper
  • #885,097
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:23pm Mar 21, 2014 3:23pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} after a war and they lost, what then?
The US would not go to war with Russia at this moment. Because the war will damage both heavily.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #885,098
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:28pm Mar 21, 2014 3:28pm
Quoting ChevChelios
{quote} Then it's November 1989 all over again for the Ruskies, you'll hear from them again in another 20 years.
not that simple. Russia military is still strong. And Russians are not that easy to whip. Look at WWII, the Germans almost swallowed the USSR, but Russians came back later.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #885,099
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:30pm Mar 21, 2014 3:30pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} China would love Russia and the US to fight. China do not participate in the fight. China loves that the US takes Russia one leg off and Russia takes the US one arm off.
i was raised by a war time participate. i would not underestimate the u.s. 75 years ago several fronts were fought at the same time. if putin wants a fight. he will get one on any nato country.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #885,100
  • Mar 21, 2014 3:30pm Mar 21, 2014 3:30pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} China would love Russia and the US to fight. China do not participate in the fight. China loves that the US takes Russia one leg off and Russia takes the US one arm off.
This.

I think China is the real concern for the West in the long run, Russian aggression now just make China more of a concern in the long run. You can bet that China is watching how this plays out because they been eyeing up those Japanese islands and are just waiting for Russia to show them how the US will respond in a situation like that...

If you think the wolf is at Russia's door, then tell me what do you think is at China's door? After this week, from here it looks like something that is a lot more scary than a wolf...
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