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  • #67,361
  • Edited 1:10pm Mar 16, 2014 12:54pm | Edited 1:10pm
Quoting CoreNYa
{quote} For me in this situation is same UJ, EJ, GJ. I think, if one of them sink 500-1000p+ (sure, on daily and period of half year) all of them sinking. {image}
CoreNYa,

"For me in this situation......."

Exactly what "situation" are you referring to?

"I think, if one of them sink 500-1000p+ (sure, on daily and period of half year) all of them sinking."

Exactly "Why?" do you think that way?

...................................................................................................

The two statement above point to a possible "problem", being that decisions seem to be based on ill-defined criteria and more on just "feelings". Moreover, being that there is an obvious tendency here to form a bias ahead of whatever the Market Makers end up actually doing.

We cannot know how price will move next. Period!

When you talk about "situations", ill-defined or not, and about what you "think", both as justifications for trading decisions, you are about as far removed from what the Sonic R. System is all about as you could be.

What Sonicers want to see posted here are real-time trades, well charted, and analysis based on Price action (including waves), Volume and S&R (see Post #1).

CoreNYa, I have done the same as you are doing. The sooner you correct yourself, the better off you will be as a trader. No disrespect to you is intended.

-tah
  • #67,362
  • Mar 16, 2014 1:07pm Mar 16, 2014 1:07pm
Quoting CoreNYa
{quote} For me in this situation is same UJ, EJ, GJ. I think, if one of them sink 500-1000p+ (sure, on daily and period of half year) all of them sinking. {image}
CoreNYa,

I am just attempting to understand your reasoning for the above statement?
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  • #67,363
  • Mar 16, 2014 1:26pm Mar 16, 2014 1:26pm
Quoting FXRobert
{quote} Very nice place for build long start after open market. M15. {image}
I waiting for my entry with build scouts.
Why?

D1 - not clear for me
I don't see confirmation stopping price i reaction like white rectangle

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H1
1. Price down with inrcease volumen for me
2. Resistance and battle small body candles with w wide cadle wick
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M15.
Rect 1. Price fast down with inrcease volumen (nice wide wick)
Rect 2. Price this same area with lower volumen - is good
but price up very lower volumen - not good
3. Price down with increase volumen withe arrow
4. Price up with increase volumen good for me (red arrow)
BUT
5. Two candles (Supply coming in) hit above half numer possible sell becouse next candles is down - not good for me at the moment.

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  • #67,364
  • Edited 1:59pm Mar 16, 2014 1:40pm | Edited 1:59pm
Quoting CoreNYa
{quote} This situation: {quote} Why: - When pair swap is positive and price is at daily high level, rather than SL i place hedge at 5% my account and hedged position close at BE +/- couple of pips. - I dont have trade feelings, if expectations call feelings, well for every my trade i have feeling to price go against me 2K+ pips. - PA is pretty wide for me in this moment (daily i need just 25p, so dont need PA), my trades in this moment is based only at Volume, S&R and divergence... and work just fine for me Dont forget, im newbie, hobby trader,...
CoreNYa,

This is, after all, the Sonic R. System thread. Folks here are Sonicers. They expect to see Classic trades or prescribed Scout trades as the posted trades, and they expect to see analysis per Post #1.

If your posts are too difficult to understand and to relate to what we do here, you can expect that I or someone else will call you on it. This is not a bulletin board thread where anyone can post any kind of system trade they want to. If they do, and are called on it, and do not change, they will be expelled.

Personally, I cannot relate what you are doing to the Sonic R. System. There are plenty of other threads on FF where anyone can post anything, and all of them less successful than the Sonic R. System thread when it comes to producing successful traders. Do you get my meaning?

If you do not understand what I am saying, or if you do understand but do not intend to trade the Sonic R. System, then you should move on to one of these other threads, whether you are a "hobby" trader or not. What you need to understand above all else is that Sonicdeejay and I are building via this thread a textbook of the Sonic R. System. Your type posts so far do not belong in it. Ok? You need to get with the program here, or go "hobby" elsewhere.

You are putting me in an awkward position. I am trying to not be disrespectful of you. On the other hand I simply must defend this thread against pollution of stuff that is not of the Sonic R. System. I do hope you understand and appreciate this.

-tah
  • #67,365
  • Mar 16, 2014 1:46pm Mar 16, 2014 1:46pm
Quoting CoreNYa
{quote} Now im confused, you asked me if i mean about TAHs charts with UJ and i send GJ? I think its better for me go to sleep.
Good Night..........
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  • #67,366
  • Edited 8:12pm Mar 16, 2014 2:08pm | Edited 8:12pm
Quoting cigarguy
{quote} I agree UJ MM's are Bulls. High volume as price hits lows in demand area. Watching for supporting volume to start building longs Monday to be conservative. Some probably have scouts out now!.... {image} {image}
Need supporting volume to enter UJ longs for me at this demand area/support based on late Friday's PA, but need to see Mondays PA and further study of PA associated with volulme. Appears to me that MM's ran price below key level 101.500 possibly closing shorts to build longs.

"If the MM's run the price down and following that there is increased volume of trades, then MM are BULLS, not BEARS" We'll see.......
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  • #67,367
  • Edited 2:52pm Mar 16, 2014 2:21pm | Edited 2:52pm
Quoting CoreNYa
{quote} If your posts are too difficult to understand - what we do here - WE or ME? I or someone else will call you on it - I appreciate that as a guideline any kind of system trade - I try to discuss with big guys and learn something (and by the way offer my opinion on the analysis to you), while another beginners just seat in background, scratch their heads and leave thread without any word are called on - em i? I cannot relate what you are doing to the Sonic R. System - i trying to adapt it to my needs, until i can not open...
CoreNYa,

What you need to do is very simple and is stated in the Advice for the Newcomers in Post #1. You need to focus on the Classic trade, which can be a single entry trade. And if you present an analysis as reason for your Classic trades, so readers can learn something from your practice of the Sonic R. System, then that analysis should be in accord with what we do here, which is also stated in Post #1...."So, I fine tuned the system with understanding of analysis of Price action (including Waves), Volume and S & R ....", of which Sonic has provided many examples in his own posts, which are also suggested reading for newcomers.

I don't see anything about the Classic that should be too complicated for you. If it is, then I respectfully submit you should not be on this thread. At the very least, you should be making every attempt to adhere to the Sonic R. System, Classic trades if you cannot position build with Scouts, instead of simply saying things "...are too difficult to understand...", and just posting your own brand of trading and analysis. That is what all the other threads are for.

Last week I had to expel a newcomer because that person refused to honor this thread as the textbook for the Sonic R. System. He preferred to dance around until I had enough of wasting my time with him. Please, do not take this to the same conclusion. If you are here to learn the Sonic R. System, then start practicing it!

-tah
  • #67,368
  • Mar 16, 2014 3:06pm Mar 16, 2014 3:06pm
Quoting hansma
UJ Started some long positions based on volume and priceaction. H {image}
Hi hansma, Would you mind sharing your indicator which plots P/L and median position entry?

Thanks in advance.
  • #67,369
  • Edited 4:36pm Mar 16, 2014 4:20pm | Edited 4:36pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} CoreNYa, What you need to do is very simple and is stated in the Advice for the Newcomers in Post #1. You need to focus on the Classic trade, which can be a single entry trade. And if you present an analysis as reason for your Classic trades, so readers can learn something from your practice of the Sonic R. System, then that analysis should be in accord with what we do here, which is also stated in Post #1...."So, I fine tuned the system with understanding of analysis of Price action (including Waves), Volume and S & R ....", of which Sonic has provided many examples in his own posts, which are also suggested reading for newcomers. I don't see anything about the Classic that should be too complicated for you. If it is, then I respectfully submit you should not be on this thread. At the very least, you should be making every attempt to adhere to the Sonic R. System, Classic trades if you cannot position build with Scouts, instead of simply saying things "...are too difficult to understand...", and just posting your own brand of trading and analysis. That is what all the other threads are for. Last week I had to expel a newcomer because that person refused to honor this thread as the textbook for the Sonic R. System. He preferred to dance around until I had enough of wasting my time with him. Please, do not take this to the same conclusion. If you are here to learn the Sonic R. System, then start practicing it! -tah
Quoting CoreNYa
{quote} You dont deserve my opinion and i dont need to be expelled, so for that i will answer at this to PM and spare the thread of pollution. Is that deal ok? Best regards, Core.
CoreNYa,

I took the extra time to explain my reasons are for the preservation of the ongoing content of this exceptionally successful thread; that posts be of the Sonic R. System. I even kindly suggested you take up the Classic trade if you were unable to trade Scouts. I did all I could to coax you in the right direction. You could even have elected to just be a lurker if you had no intentions of being a Sonicer. Many good folks do that to pick up some things that might help them, but that want to trade their own methods. That is fine, and they respect the thread enough to do so without conflict.

Yet, your answer to me is, "You dont deserve my opinion..."

This is not the response of someone trying to be a "team" player. You were fairly warned. Goodbye.

-tah
  • #67,370
  • Mar 16, 2014 4:29pm Mar 16, 2014 4:29pm
Hi TAH, when we are building positions (scout trades) how can we define our stoploss? or you just close all positions at the end of week ?
  • #67,371
  • Mar 16, 2014 4:54pm Mar 16, 2014 4:54pm
Quoting Electro
Hi TAH, when we are building positions (scout trades) how can we define our stoploss? or you just close all positions at the end of week ?
About Setting Stop Losses With Classics or Scouts

The Market Makers can easily whip or whack prices 100-200 pips if there is enough liquidity to obtain positions, and prospects for the future profit of those positions, for them to want to do so. And they know the future, if there is any future to know, because they are the ones that move the prices.

In post #1 Sonic recommends a SL of up to 100 pips on EU.

Frankly, where you place a hard SL is your decision. It should be at least based on how many trades you have exposure from, should a 100-200 pips whip or whack take place, while the trade is still valid. Or, is it still valid? Your decision.

Personally, I prefer the "hands on" approach, with no hard SL. That keeps the brokers "Hands off!" of my trades. Setting a hard SL is giving legal license to the Market Makers to steal your money any time they want it badly enough (yours and everyone else's with SLs in the same area). I object.

-tah
  • #67,372
  • Edited 9:06pm Mar 16, 2014 8:32pm | Edited 9:06pm
Quoting cigarguy
{quote} Need supporting volume to enter UJ longs for me at this demand area/support based on late Friday's PA, but need to see Mondays PA and further study of PA associated with volulme. Appears to me that MM's ran price below key level 101.500 possibly closing shorts to build longs. "If the MM's run the price down and following that there is increased volume of trades, then MM are BULLS, not BEARS" We'll see....... {image}
Entered UJ long scout based on above. Quick scalp closed +21 @ 101.55, confirmed by supporting volume from demand/support. PA may have more downside to come, but had enough confirmation for this scalp anyway. I normally do not trade on Sundays, but possible set up appeared late Friday with expected vol confirmation Sun.
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  • #67,373
  • Mar 16, 2014 10:56pm Mar 16, 2014 10:56pm
USDCAD Comment

Friday the price was pushed back up to the 1.1100 whole number area. High volume accompanied the push up thru this level, followed the rest of the day with high activity as the MMs manipulated the price down (selling) and up (suck in longs for more selling). Even as Friday started to move off-stage there was very notable price manipulation up/down within the quarter area below the whole number, and even another notable level of activity one time when the price again made it up thru the whole number. This is very bearish and I used the M30 chart to show just how concentrated this up/down price manipulation was late Friday. This is how the MMs accumulate positions, and in this case my bet is they accumulated short positions.

We could get a short setup today or tomorrow. We cannot know exactly when. But when a proper Classic short setup occurs, my bet is that it will turn out as a good short trade.
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  • #67,374
  • Edited Mar 17, 2014 12:17am Mar 16, 2014 11:18pm | Edited Mar 17, 2014 12:17am
tah right now im seeing usdcad as a buy @ 1.1078 if it goes down now versus up.
  • #67,375
  • Mar 17, 2014 12:51am Mar 17, 2014 12:51am
CoreNYa,

Per our agreement, you are reinstated.

Good Trading to You,
-tah
  • #67,376
  • Mar 17, 2014 1:35am Mar 17, 2014 1:35am
Quoting FXRobert
{quote} I waiting for my entry with build scouts. Why? D1 - not clear for me I don't see confirmation stopping price i reaction like white rectangle {image} H1 1. Price down with inrcease volumen for me 2. Resistance and battle small body candles with w wide cadle wick {image} M15. Rect 1. Price fast down with inrcease volumen (nice wide wick) Rect 2. Price this same area with lower volumen - is good but price up very lower volumen - not good 3. Price down with increase volumen withe arrow 4. Price up...
USDJPY long clasic.
I know to early before LS open but nice waves and volumen increase up.
I add 1 order.
SL set TP not set.


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  • #67,377
  • Mar 17, 2014 1:46am Mar 17, 2014 1:46am
Quoting cigarguy
{quote} Entered UJ long scout based on above. Quick scalp closed +21 @ 101.55, confirmed by supporting volume from demand/support. PA may have more downside to come, but had enough confirmation for this scalp anyway. I normally do not trade on Sundays, but possible set up appeared late Friday with expected vol confirmation Sun. {image}
Great trade. Patience and patience
  • #67,378
  • Mar 17, 2014 2:10am Mar 17, 2014 2:10am
Quoting traderathome
USDCAD Comment Friday the price was pushed back up to the 1.1100 whole number area. High volume accompanied the push up thru this level, followed the rest of the day with high activity as the MMs manipulated the price down (selling) and up (suck in longs for more selling). Even as Friday started to move off-stage there was very notable price manipulation up/down within the quarter area below the whole number, and even another notable level of activity one time when the price again made it up thru the whole number. This is very bearish and I used...
USDCAD Comment

A proper London session Classic short setup has yet to come, but here is more PVSRA that clearly indicates the MMs are bears. Look at the upper wicks and high activity as price is pushed back up to the whole number level.
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  • #67,379
  • Edited 2:49am Mar 17, 2014 2:28am | Edited 2:49am
UJ - long.

I don't like the last bullish high volume, it seems too high what remains me that it can still contains buyings and selling's both, which means that MMs might be not ready yet. Just my opinion..
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Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
  • #67,380
  • Mar 17, 2014 2:35am Mar 17, 2014 2:35am
Quoting traderathome
Interim Solution for Our Indicators
tah,

thanks a lot for your kind words!

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