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  • #561
  • Feb 25, 2014 3:06am Feb 25, 2014 3:06am
Quoting bfis108137
{quote} I haven't seen them say they are planning to disable WINAPI. In effect this would mean that dlls would no longer be an option. I don't think this is their plan but humor me and show me where they said this or even hinted at it. Many coders use dlls as a stronger form of defense against decompilation and I can't imagine that they would want to take this away. On the other hand, dlls do offer the ability to do things you wouldn't want. For example I could write a dll that will send me your account balance every day and you probably wouldn't...

Just crossed my mind.

MetaQuotes keep using Windows API. The possibility to have go through their Servers first to get it.
So... MetaTrader Applications for the MetaTrader 4 and MetaTrader 5 in their Site's will be successful.
Always looking the GREAT, never left GOOD Point...
  • #562
  • Feb 25, 2014 3:21am Feb 25, 2014 3:21am
Quoting Tsar
{quote} I hope so.... But they probably will do it, if not... 'MetaTrader 4 App Marketplace' will NOT Success Sale (like MT5 Platform) Please, take a look cTrader platform & ProTrader platform ; the both platforms no need DLL file's ! I think MetaQuotes will follow their way...
First, from a coder's perspective they have done nothing to show this. On the contrary, they have brought mt4 to be almost exactly like c++. You have similar structure where you can include parts or all of the language basically showing that they are going to allow dlls for the foreseeable future. MQ has no reason to block dlls and they haven't given us any reason to believe they will do it. This is like saying they are going to start randomly blocking your trades. They could do anything but there is no basis for this.

Regarding the other platforms, they all use dlls. In ctrader, every reference is a dll. Every indicator or strategy in ctrader and ninja trader (I haven't tried protrader) is a dll. Additionally just like in mt4, in ctrader and nt you can but don't have to use a dll. There is no need for a dll if you don't want it in any of the platforms. The only reason you really NEED a dll is if you don't want people to decompile your code. In this case you can't use c# because it's even easier to decompile c# than it is an ex4. However this is a non factor because you can use c++ code in c#. It is imo easier to use a c++ dll in mt4 than it is to use it in c# but I don't think this is a deciding factor either. Also ctrader and nt give you access to the .net framework which is easier to use than the WINAPI but some would say that using the WINAPI is more of a direct way to do it. You can also use the WINAPI from c# if you want but that would make it harder than it needs to be except in certain scenarios that Microsoft didn't add to the .net framework.

Regarding the language difference, the main difference is the access to the .net framework and event driven programming. The events make it cleaner, less error prone, and faster. This makes the other platforms really good but build 600 has added some events and maybe mt5 has added more. That I don't know though. Dlls is a non factor though.
  • #563
  • Feb 25, 2014 4:20am Feb 25, 2014 4:20am
Quoting bfis108137
{quote} First, from a coder's perspective they have done nothing to show this. On the contrary, they have brought mt4 to be almost exactly like c++. You have similar structure where you can include parts or all of the language basically showing that they are going to allow dlls for the foreseeable future. MQ has no reason to block dlls and they haven't given us any reason to believe they will do it. This is like saying they are going to start randomly blocking your trades. They could do anything but there is no basis for this. Regarding the other...

Thank you for your explanation. Much appreciated...

If you already have experience with cTrader, it will be easier. Will get a Little difference.
ProTrader is almost the Same in Principle. I saw the development of a broader and richer functionality.
When in cTrader there are Two platform while in ProTrader just One platform (like in MetaQuotes)
The interesting is .MQ4 file doesn't need to Compile it ; just put the on-course (the opposite with MT4 Build 600+ only need .ex4 file)
And was decompiled with AlgoStudio Editor and the New name is .cs file (like in cTrader platform)
I tried used old .MQ4 file (MT4 build 509) still working fine...
Always looking the GREAT, never left GOOD Point...
  • #564
  • Feb 25, 2014 5:15am Feb 25, 2014 5:15am
Quoting Tsar
{quote} Thank you for your explanation. Much appreciated... If you already have experience with cTrader, it will be easier. Will get a Little difference. ProTrader is almost the Same in Principle. I saw the development of a broader and richer functionality. When in cTrader there are Two platform while in ProTrader just One platform (like in MetaQuotes) The interesting is .MQ4 file doesn't need to Compile it ; just put the on-course (the opposite with MT4 Build 600+ only need .ex4 file) And was decompiled with AlgoStudio Editor and the New name is...
First, some code will still compile in mt4.

Second, I don't think it really matters if there are 2 or one platforms.



I am good in c# in general but there isn't very much work there that I have found and the custom indicators to build strategies aren't there. There are some but it's not even comparable. On top of that I always seemed to run into weird things that were missing. For example, last time I worked in ctrader (which was about a year ago) they didn't have a function to tell you what the value of a tick was in the account currency. And finally mt4 has done something right albeit in the wrong way. In other words they made improvements but the way they rolled it out was pathetic and that's being nice. Another thing is I don't see ctrader ever attracting the following that mt4 has and that is because quite frankly ctrader is imo a high end product meant for real brokers. Small brokers imo will not go to Ctrader but that remains to be seen. Of course that means that any broker offering it should be someone you would want to do business with but a big following is important because it means there will be more code which in time will bring ever more code and so on. There are other drawbacks with ctrader such as limited history, no optimization, and no ability to import history. Mt4 also doesn't have the ability to import history but unofficially there are solutions which ctrader doesn't have. The no optimization is probably the biggest deal breaker for ctrader.

What really sets these platforms (I can't speak for protrader though) apart from mt is that the companies care or at least they appear to. You can go into the nt or ctrader forum and ask a coding question and you will get a real answer from a rep from the company that sells the platform. You can even make feature requests and they genuinely take your request into account. You can even email their support in most cases. Sometimes they give webinars directly from the company as well. With MQ, we essentially don't exist. That being said, as a trader the switch would be counterproductive for myself when you consider the time it would take to recode all of the eas that I am using and to switch brokers.
  • #565
  • Feb 25, 2014 10:24am Feb 25, 2014 10:24am
When you all finally move to MT5, do let me know how much you enjoy trendlines that jump and change angle when you drag 'em. Nothing like keeping you on your toes...
  • #566
  • Feb 25, 2014 1:52pm Feb 25, 2014 1:52pm
Quote
The only reason you really NEED a dll is if you don't want people to decompile your code
Anything can be decompiled, given enough time and skill; the only way to obfuscate code is to not make it visible, i.e. your desktop MT4 generates signals and you upload them to a server and then you provide an indy that reads these signals.

You use DLL's to do the grunt work in a separate process and can churn away doing calculations leaving your terminal free to do its 'thang. EA's run in separate threads and indies run in the same thread as the chart window, so if you try to do intensive for...next loops in a custom indy, it could hang your terminal, this is why it's best to use an EA where you can also use the Sleep() function to pause code.

This new build allows you to use EventSetTimer() and is better than the old method of IsNewCandle in Start():

Inserted Code
int OnInit(){
   /*
  initialise stuff here...
   */
   EventSetTimer(60); //fire event every 60secs
return(INIT_SUCCEEDED);
}
 
void OnTimer(){
   DoSomething();
}
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  • #567
  • Feb 26, 2014 12:06am Feb 26, 2014 12:06am
Quoting triphop
When you all finally move to MT5, do let me know how much you enjoy trendlines that jump and change angle when you drag 'em. Nothing like keeping you on your toes...
http://s.rimg.info/38b62a10359cc5a282262ecf3a387229.gif
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  • #568
  • Feb 26, 2014 1:01am Feb 26, 2014 1:01am
Now 600 ways to screw you!
  • #569
  • Edited 9:00am Feb 26, 2014 8:45am | Edited 9:00am
Quoting bfis108137
There are other drawbacks with ctrader such as limited history, no optimization, and no ability to import history. Mt4 also doesn't have the ability to import history but unofficially there are solutions which ctrader doesn't have. The no optimization is probably the biggest deal breaker for ctrader.

Hi bfis,

ProTrader 3 can do it, this platform have History data manager tools

There are 3 types that can be displayed, i.e. Tick ; 1m bars & 1D bars

Take a look in attach Pictures, please...
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Click to Enlarge Name: ProTrader 3_History data manager - Tick.png Size: 44 KB
Click to Enlarge Name: ProTrader 3_History data manager - 1m bars.png Size: 32 KB
Click to Enlarge Name: ProTrader 3_History data manager - 1D bars.png Size: 32 KB
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  • #570
  • Feb 26, 2014 5:15pm Feb 26, 2014 5:15pm
Quoting RabbitWolf
I had some problems with Mt4 updates, like all of you, so.. I collected some video tutorials about Mt4 Metatrader updates 600-604 and file structure. It help me a lot. http://forexscalping101.blogspot.com...04%20%20Update Please note, that I am not affiliated with any of the video links, videos for education purposes only

Thanks so much this so helpful. the stress is settled.
  • #571
  • Edited 9:40pm Mar 3, 2014 7:50pm | Edited 9:40pm
Anyone got Updates MT4 Build 614 ?

I've got the Info Very BIG Problems with arrays even when the strict is not required.
If it goes like this, almost All the Code fixes MT4 Build 610 must be rewritten

I never know what will it do Next ! http://s.rimg.info/679f66e6de2dbdaebfe861794f008cad.gif

It the same like this http://s16.rimg.info/00d62c94a38fd02...7f32df374b.gif
Always looking the GREAT, never left GOOD Point...
  • #572
  • Mar 4, 2014 10:24am Mar 4, 2014 10:24am
Quoting Tsar
Anyone got Updates MT4 Build 614 ? I've got the Info Very BIG Problems with arrays even when the strict is not required. If it goes like this, almost All the Code fixes MT4 Build 610 must be rewritten I never know what will it do Next ! {image} It the same like this {image}
Seriously... so now we are on to Build 614 and fixes made for items in 610 are not working in 614?!?!?

If this is true we are going into complete insanity with this MT4 changes garbage!!!
  • #573
  • Mar 4, 2014 5:13pm Mar 4, 2014 5:13pm
Hey TSAR,


Thanks for the info by PM! I have been following various forums to see what all the new BUILD 600+ problems are with each new update. I see the FUN continues and there appears to be no end in sight.
  • #574
  • Mar 4, 2014 5:43pm Mar 4, 2014 5:43pm
Quoting COGnizant
{quote} Seriously... so now we are on to Build 614 and fixes made for items in 610 are not working in 614?!?!? If this is true we are going into complete insanity with this MT4 changes garbage!!!

Yup...

Isn't already mentioned the MT4 Platform experience Major Changes will be merged / with MT5 Platform ?
Always looking the GREAT, never left GOOD Point...
  • #575
  • Mar 4, 2014 5:56pm Mar 4, 2014 5:56pm
Quoting COGnizant
Hey TSAR, Thanks for the info by PM! I have been following various forums to see what all the new BUILD 600+ problems are with each new update. I see the FUN continues and there appears to be no end in sight.
Your Welcome

I still used MT4 Platform until Now and still keep track of the next
Btw I already started learning Other platforms, to anticipate when...

Ooh MetaTrader http://s.rimg.info/45ab84a7f9247fbbac2c15f6349d922f.gif
Always looking the GREAT, never left GOOD Point...
  • #576
  • Mar 4, 2014 10:31pm Mar 4, 2014 10:31pm
What a tough year so far, FORCED obamaSCARE and MT4 platform changes all in the same year!
  • #577
  • Mar 5, 2014 3:41am Mar 5, 2014 3:41am
Deducting from MQs attitude, arrogance and technical and organisational misbehavior during the deployment I'm not expecting a stable release of MT4.X before the end of 2014.

So I do not change the currently running B509 on my VPS until this Build does not connect any longer and I already ditched MQL4 coding altogether. Did I mention, that FXCM has a own flagship? It's called Tradestation and its connectivity its trading languages are LUA (native TS2), Java/C++/C# for the ForexConnect API.

Meanwhile I used my MQL absence to learn R and to connect it to a tick based forex DWH. Everything got better for me the last four weeks since MQ wonked the Upgrade.
  • #578
  • Mar 5, 2014 1:09pm Mar 5, 2014 1:09pm
After MT4 Build Update 600 was reconfigured, I though I had it figured, but
what I had figured cannot be figured because of what was reconfigured for
Update Build 614 which I tried to figure, but I can't figure because of that
reconfigure. Can anyone help me to figure before what I heard to be MT4
Update Build 620 is released. MT4 Arghh!!!!
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  • #579
  • Mar 5, 2014 7:56pm Mar 5, 2014 7:56pm
Quoting 78020f
After MT4 Build Update 600 was reconfigured, I though I had it figured, but what I had figured cannot be figured because of what was reconfigured for Update Build 614 which I tried to figure, but I can't figure because of that reconfigure. Can anyone help me to figure before what I heard to be MT4 Update Build 620 is released. MT4 Arghh!!!!
That figures!
Please Do Not PM Me With Coding Enquiries
  • #580
  • Mar 7, 2014 1:59pm Mar 7, 2014 1:59pm
Hi Guys,

can anyone help me get this fantastic ea going now I have updated to build 600,
its basically a very good trade manager that has buy/sell buttons on the screen and once a trade is entered the SL & TP ,Be etc can be dragged up or down,
I have followed all instructions I can find everywhere, I can get the smily face to show in the corner but the only thing that's missing is the buttons....

there was something about MT4gui2 needs putting in the main mt4 folder which I have done but still no joy..

any ideas ???
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