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  • #461
  • Feb 18, 2014 4:09am Feb 18, 2014 4:09am
May Someone help to share MT4 build 509 installer/files? I want to back to MT4 build 509.

Thank you,
anton

NB. I am considering to move to broker non MT4.
  • #462
  • Feb 18, 2014 5:38am Feb 18, 2014 5:38am
Quoting pips4life
I can't keep up with this forum and so I'm unaware if this is already a known issue or not. If a duplicate, I apologize. I have real work to do and not be MQ's beta tester. (Alpha, really). I'm still using 509 and will until this considerable dust settles. I reported this bug as a Service Request, and on the MQL4 forum, and on one of my own threads regarding my indicator, P4L PeriodCon, but this bug I am now aware...
Nice catch. I would never have spotted that.
  • #463
  • Feb 18, 2014 10:06am Feb 18, 2014 10:06am
I only deleted it as it appeared that there were duplicate indi/EA files and I wanted to know what files I was using and from what location.
(not sure why they appeared in both locations)

Apart from that I just like to keep my computer clear of unnecessary junk.

I think it is not necessary to delete the folder if you are worried about that.

By basic data I meant files/folders .... Terminal\ Common, Terminal\ Community, Terminal\ Help ... I asume that these are probably needed

M.
If you think I'm mad, I must be mad
  • #464
  • Feb 18, 2014 2:28pm Feb 18, 2014 2:28pm
I had some problems with Mt4 updates, like all of you, so..


I collected some video tutorials about Mt4 Metatrader updates 600-604 and file structure. It help me a lot.

http://forexscalping101.blogspot.com...04%20%20Update


Please note, that I am not affiliated with any of the video links, videos for education purposes only
  • #465
  • Feb 18, 2014 2:43pm Feb 18, 2014 2:43pm
Quoting antonsatu
May Someone help to share MT4 build 509 installer/files? I want to back to MT4 build 509. Thank you, anton NB. I am considering to move to broker non MT4.
I don't think you can roll the software back to Build 509 once you have upgraded to Build 600 and up. You might be able to find a MT4 installer for Build 509 lying around somewhere. Google it.

Good luck.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #466
  • Feb 18, 2014 5:14pm Feb 18, 2014 5:14pm
If MetaQuotes are forcing Object-Orientated MQL5 onto programmers, then give us a decent IDE; i want to be able to pause and step into code to see variable values.

Imagine creating an array of objects, each with their own data structures, it would be impossible to debug with Print() statements. OO is best left to proper IDE's like Visual Studio et al, not a minimalistic editor like MetaEditor.

If i can set breakpoints as code executes that would be great, until then i won't even bother trying to learn OO MQL5, i'll just use OO .NET instead.
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  • #467
  • Edited 7:10pm Feb 18, 2014 6:34pm | Edited 7:10pm
Quoting FiatFap
If MetaQuotes are forcing Object-Orientated MQL5 onto programmers, then give us a decent IDE; i want to be able to pause and step into code to see variable values. Imagine creating an array of objects, each with their own data structures, it would be impossible to debug with Print() statements. OO is best left to proper IDE's like Visual Studio et al, not a minimalistic editor like MetaEditor. If i can set breakpoints as code executes that would be great, until then i won't even bother trying to learn OO MQL5, i'll just use OO .NET instead.
I'm going to echo some of futurespec's sentiments. After an initial bumpy start with the forced installation, and until I changed my shortcut to use the /portable switch to get my old MT4 file structure back, and as a developer who generally isn't too thrilled with MT4 (pre or post 4.5) I can add the following about the experience so far:

The new IDE allows setting breakpoints, pausing code execution while debugging and the ability to see variable values. I used all those features just a few minutes ago. While the days of compiling and then reading the tea leaves with arcane error messages may have some on here harking for days of old, you won't find me longing for the old MetaEditor IDE. I actually like the fact that line and character of the error code are displayed both in MetaEditor and in the terminal experts tab when an indicator dies, rather than leaving no way to know what went wrong with the code.

The "new" MQL4 language appears to have turned into a fairly close C# clone. And that's not necessarily a bad thing from my point of view. Granted, the new MQL4 intentionally breaks all old code, presumably to bolster this new "Marketplace" business model by creating a need for developers to fix broken code. That's a pretty "tacky" way to drum up new MQL$ business IMO.

By the way, to those who are afraid of objects, just don't use them. I haven't seen the need to create an object in the new MQL4, nor do I know how at this point in this language. I'm sure I'll get around to it if I see the need but remember that functions are a way to reuse code too and most developers have been creating their own functions for a long time in MQL4.
  • #468
  • Feb 18, 2014 8:49pm Feb 18, 2014 8:49pm
Quoting FXEZ
{quote}The "new" MQL4 language appears to have turned into a fairly close C# clone. And that's not necessarily a bad thing from my point of view.
They made the new MQL4 language to be similiar to C#? Are you serious? IF that's the case, then the new build is not as bad as I thought PROVIDED that they make everything compatible and more stable. C# is SO MUCH easier to understand and program than the current MLQ langauge which is C+, in my opinion. I was able to teach myself C# when I was using Ninja Trader but with MLQ, I am totally lost.

Can you confirm if it's really close to C#? If that's the case, then I would feel a little better if my current custom indicators don't work in the new build.

Thanks
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #469
  • Feb 18, 2014 9:18pm Feb 18, 2014 9:18pm
Quoting FXEZ
{quote} I'm going to echo some of futurespec's sentiments. After an initial bumpy start with the forced installation, and until I changed my shortcut to use the /portable switch to get my old MT4 file structure back, and as a developer who generally isn't too thrilled with MT4 (pre or post 4.5) I can add the following about the experience so far: The new IDE allows setting breakpoints, pausing code execution while debugging and the ability to see variable values. I used all those features just a few minutes ago.
It's still a far cry from other IDEs. After clinging a bit with the new IDE I went back to Scite for code editing. At least does a compile in Scite not reset any EA and all custom indicators in every chart (bug).

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While the days of compiling and then reading the tea leaves with arcane error messages may have some on here harking for days of old, you won't find me longing for the old MetaEditor IDE. I actually like the fact that line and character of the error code are displayed both in MetaEditor and in the terminal experts tab when an indicator dies, rather than leaving no way to know what went wrong with the code. The "new" MQL4 language appears to have turned into a fairly close C# clone. And that's not necessarily a bad thing from my point of view.

Nor it is mine.

How I longed for a possibility to make structs and objects to encapsulate data. And now that it's there I must see that it's bug riddled over and over, badly designed and a pretty far way from being in a productive state. Even the old functionality has gotten some hard beatings in MT4.5. Sometimes the init() doesn't get called when the EA reinitializes. A real killer when each and every initialization is done in init() (where IMHO it belongs).

A pretty stable platform which runs code for 24/7 and risks money by doing that has been bluntly monkeyhammered by this upgrade. And while I'm waiting for a stable release I can also do some other things - like looking for viable alternatives. At least until the still active B509 still connects to the servers. I don't think that MetaQuotes gets its act together before 2015 and if they bet on my patience until then - they definitely lose that bet.

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Granted, the new MQL4 intentionally breaks all old code, presumably to bolster this new "Marketplace" business model by creating a need for developers to fix broken code.

By replacing it with double broken code and get into warranty hassles which are mostly to blame on MetaQuotes?
No thanks. BTDT 20 years ago.

Even the .set files are inconsistent between chart dialog and strategy tester dialog. One should think that such trivial things are found in a beta test phase which - so MetaQuotes proclaims - ran since 2013. Not to mention the memory corruption which occures now and then since Build 600 (see DoubleToStr() and others)


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That's a pretty "tacky" way to drum up new MQL$ business IMO.

Erhh - I spontaneously have some other words instead of "tacky" on my mind.
They will need the money - because they definitely lose a lot of customers to other platforms which they have to replace with Noobs which are lured by their marketing which is costly.

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By the way, to those who are afraid of objects, just don't use them. I haven't seen the need to create an object in the new MQL4, nor do I know how at this point in this language. I'm sure I'll get around to it if I see the need but remember that functions are a way to reuse code too and most developers have been creating their own functions for a long time in MQL4.

The coding style of the MQL-Objects is the "outside implementation model". A thing which is from the early 90's and which should have been gone for good by the invention of Java and C#. Granted that the old MQL4 way of coding is a thing of the late 80's it's a tremendous kind of a progress.

Oh - and forget about compiling libs containing Objects and rolling them out as blackbox ex4 binaries. Maybe in 2016 when more than one developer asks for it.

But that's fine with me. I'm on a platform until then which is made by some more trustworthy company (if such a thing exists in this universe at all ;-)
  • #470
  • Feb 18, 2014 10:22pm Feb 18, 2014 10:22pm
Quoting Naddmer
{quote}They will need the money - because they definitely lose a lot of customers to other platforms which they have to replace with Noobs which are lured by their marketing which is costly.
That's exactly the point here since they tried to attract traders to MT5 more than a year ago. They failed so now they find a way to force us ...

The reason most of traders who tried the MT5 was due to cosmetic improvements ... like if it was a new video game platform ...
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #471
  • Feb 18, 2014 10:48pm Feb 18, 2014 10:48pm
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} That's exactly the point here since they tried to attract traders to MT5 more than a year ago. They failed so now they find a way to force us ...
I don't feel any force by MetaQuotes to use their product. I made my decision to cut my loss short and to scale up on a winning position.
At least I currently trust MQ as far as I can spit a 2 lbs boulder because of that mess they've created. ;-)


Quoting FerruFx
{quote} The reason most of traders who tried the MT5 was due to cosmetic improvements ... like if it was a new video game platform ...
Hey see it in a positive way.
Those are the ppl from whom we rob their stoplosses and margins. So don't be to harsh with them.
  • #472
  • Feb 18, 2014 10:56pm Feb 18, 2014 10:56pm
Quoting Naddmer
{quote} I don't feel any force by MetaQuotes to use their product.
They force traders who want to use MQ to upgrade to a new build which most of us don't want.

Of course we are free to not use it and go to another platform.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #473
  • Feb 18, 2014 11:19pm Feb 18, 2014 11:19pm
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} They force traders who want to use MQ to upgrade to a new build which most of us don't want.
And on top of that they refuse to implement features which can improve the trading quality by not implementing a proper backtesting environment for years meanwhile. "Tick based backtests" with *real* spreads and slippage anybody?

Yeah - I know - you can implement this with 3rd party tools. Which are also broken by the B600 upgrade.
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Quoting FerruFx
{quote}Of course we are free to not use it and go to another platform.
The decision to switch to another platform has to be done swiftly. He who hesitates - waits ... and waits ... and waits...

BTDT. Remember OS/2?

I rode that dead horse for 9 years altogether before I made my mind up to switch to NT4. On OS/2 I learned that a dead horse does not win any races any more.

OTOH the OS/2 knowhow threw up a pretty stack of money in 1999 when each and every company was frightened by the Y2K problem and wanted their application migrated from OS/2 to $OTHERPLATFORM.
  • #474
  • Feb 18, 2014 11:56pm Feb 18, 2014 11:56pm
With all due respect to everyone that wants to leave, I don't think anyone is really going anywhere. It could be individual traders will leave, but the masses will stay because they are sheep. There are only 2 kinds of people that will leave. There are those that have a set system that they have been using for years, and for them coding the indicators that they use in another platform will be worth it. The second type are traders that trade naked charts, no charts (yes they exist), and those that use standard indicators like macd and rsi. These people can and should leave and in fact most have probably already left. However this only includes maybe 5% at best the total users of mt4. Most people will stay with mt4 because there are so many indicators and eas. Ctrader (this seems to be the most popular alternative) has a codebase and they dream of having a codebase like mt4. How much mt4 code is freely available just on this forum? I hate to say it but I code and I have at times tried to convince people to use other platforms because of better development environment (like ctrader or nt7) but they "demand" mt4 and this has not changed one bit. The only thing I hear, is "How do I make it work now after the upgrade?" I am sure there will be some noticeable loss of user base, but nothing major. Unfortunately, Metaquotes is here to stay and I would be shocked if they they change change their ways.

One other issue with other platforms, is that when mt4 came out (before I started trading) they were really the only game in town and so they benefited from the mass of code that was made for it. Now, there are quite a few new platforms that people are switching too which means that there will never be that mass development that mt4 benefited from. Probably the only way to compete would be if there were to be some sort of coding standard for trading such that there would be many platforms that could all use the same code. Think Android that multiple manufacturers use to compete with Apple. I don't see that happening though so I guess I will get back to coding on my mt4
  • #475
  • Feb 19, 2014 12:15am Feb 19, 2014 12:15am
Quoting bfis108137
Ctrader (this seems to be the most popular alternative) has a codebase and they dream of having a codebase like mt4.
Ctrade looks good on paper, and they seem to be a alternative to MT4. I downloaded their demo and I'm learning it. The problem is that all these companies lose contact with their clients. their clients are the traders not the brokers. It would kill Ctrade to go to forums like FF and listen to traders requests to EA and indicators. And code it for free, for a while until they get a good client base?
They can hire 2 or 3 coders in china "cheap" and spit 10 request from traders a day. In no time they will have a indicator EA library bigger than MT4. But these companies live in a different world. They don't belong to the world of their clients which is pretty ironic since is the world they want to succeed.
So, you think you have rights? LOL
  • #476
  • Feb 19, 2014 12:24am Feb 19, 2014 12:24am
Quoting ForexOracle
{quote} Ctrade looks good on paper, and they seem to be a alternative to MT4. I downloaded their demo and I'm learning it. The problem is that all these companies lose contact with their clients. their clients are the traders not the brokers. It would kill Ctrade to go to forums like FF and listen to traders requests to EA and indicators. And code it for free, for a while until they get a good client base? They can hire 2 or 3 coders in china "cheap" and spit 10 request from traders a day. In no time they will have a indicator EA library bigger...
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #477
  • Feb 19, 2014 10:54am Feb 19, 2014 10:54am
This may be common knowledge here but just in case I'd like to share my experience today.
I opened a Demo account with Pepperstone, loaded my custom indicators to ...
Local Disk (C > Program Files > Meta Trader - Pepperstone > MQL4 > Indicators;
I closed the platform and opened it again and went to Navigator > Custom Indicators and none of them were there.
So perplexed I didn't know what to do for hours and reverted to watching the market from my live account -which had upgraded to Build 610 seamlessly.
Later as I was going thru my emails I found a link to a video posted by Dean Malone and it caught my attention, I followed the simple steps and voila all my custom indicators came on.
It might be worth spending a few minutes to see the video for anyone still missing their indies and EAs

html / Flash VIDEO: MT4 Build 610: Help! Where's my indicators?
mp4 / mobile VIDEO: MT4 Build 610: Help! Where's my indicators?
Let it turn and find your entry.
  • #478
  • Feb 19, 2014 11:18am Feb 19, 2014 11:18am
I never understood what's the difference between MT4 and MT5? Can somebody who's used both answer this? I agree with some of the comments before, for the few minutes that I used MT5, I didn't notice any changes. So why did MQ decide to put out another trading platform, MT5 in the first place when their MT4 was working fine? And the bigger question, WHY are they so eager in making us use MT5 when it seemed to me, if they have to use THAT much force to make us use MT5, it must be an really unpopular platform and the most logical thing to do with unpopular products is just to scrap it?

Can somebody enlighten me on this? Thanks
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #479
  • Feb 19, 2014 11:35am Feb 19, 2014 11:35am
Quoting Forexia
I never understood what's the difference between MT4 and MT5? Can somebody who's used both answer this? I agree with some of the comments before, for the few minutes that I used MT5, I didn't notice any changes. So why did MQ decide to put out another trading platform, MT5 in the first place when their MT4 was working fine? And the bigger question, WHY are they so eager in making us use MT5 when it seemed to me, if they have to use THAT much force to make us use MT5, it must be an really unpopular platform and the most logical thing to do with unpopular...
I used MT5 a bit when I needed to work on multiple time frames which MT4 did not offer, I really liked the idea if switching to M3, M10 M20 H8, H12 in MT5 then I noticed that with MT5 the same number of bars on a particular currency pair will be available on all the Time Frames, so if your brokers server could give you H8 up to 01 January 2008, then your M1 would have history for up to 01 January 2008.
I was really looking forward to when there would be a migration or re-coding of all MQL4 indies to MQL5.
Some have said that the MT5 platform does not favor hedging and that I did not try out.
In technology almost nothing is impossible so I guess with more work MQ will get the MT5 right and be the preferred Platform.
Let it turn and find your entry.
  • #480
  • Feb 19, 2014 12:53pm Feb 19, 2014 12:53pm
Please any further update on this yet, continue with the info on this build. I sense this would offer better prospect that the previous build!
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