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  • #65,601
  • Edited 3:01am Feb 13, 2014 2:40am | Edited 3:01am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} I read the current PVSRA the same, but still I'm long. Still taking higher timeframes on equation It goes how it goes; I'm locked in for profit already Yesterday altered my reading for PVSRA today: {quote} {image} {image} After all; double edge sword effect means that both ways are correct after enough time Even if the timing of starting building position is wrong, price tends to come back and at least test S/R that it just pierced. Sometimes it goes wrong and long lasting trend occurs, like on YEN pairs and gold...
"Also, there is still this dragon that wanna fly free " - JRissa

What you have been calling a Dragon of late, is a cheap import from Japan (..."ichimoku gotchu"...). It stinks, like the rancid blubber they carve off of their illicitly hunted and slaughtered whales. The only way it could be any worse would be if it was made in PROC (China), out of their plastic that disintegrates or their stainless steel that rusts!

If any Ichimoku "Dragon" wants to fly, I suggest you open the damn doors and let the bugger out. Just be sure to slam them shut once you are rid of it!
  • #65,602
  • Feb 13, 2014 2:43am Feb 13, 2014 2:43am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} "Also, there is still this dragon that wanna fly free " - JRissa That is what you call a Dragon? Man, that is a cheap import from Japan (...ichimoku gotchu...). It stinks, like the rancid blubber they carve off of their illicitly hunted and slaughtered whales.
Damn you Professor!
My co-workers turned to look at me like a maniac when I literally LOLLED for this And this damn coffee that I just got in my mouth poured all over my keyboard! Now I have sticky fingers
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  • #65,603
  • Feb 13, 2014 2:53am Feb 13, 2014 2:53am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} SUPATREND template NU Trade. SL hit, "dragon" green, price pick up speed -> entered long on piercing of S/R2 (re-entry). Will move SL to BE as soon as possible {image}
NU

Locked at BE already to avoid ranging losses.
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  • #65,604
  • Edited 4:05am Feb 13, 2014 3:32am | Edited 4:05am
NU:

JRissa,

Another problem with all this "blubber" about a SUPRATREND "Ichimoku Gotchu" is that you've gone and tinkered with the machine without reading the damn manual.....geez, it's a disease with you newbies!.....

Anyway, see the chart attached. Note the boot at the end. Yes, I know it is not high heeled as you prefer, and it is all shriveled and wrinkled, but they're using cheap leather in Italy now. Nevertheless, that boot is gunna give your NU long trade a kick in the ass! Just as soon as the MMs stop pushing and loading shorts and the USD releases hit.

If you are blessed, then, with a spike up by the MMs to hit stops on shorts, take it and save yourself. And, don't try to run in those high heels.

-tah
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  • #65,605
  • Feb 13, 2014 3:46am Feb 13, 2014 3:46am
EU - closed for 1444 pips gain
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  • #65,606
  • Feb 13, 2014 4:01am Feb 13, 2014 4:01am
USDCHF - missed yesterday's high, but today gives even better entries Such a nice long buildings there..
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  • #65,607
  • Feb 13, 2014 4:13am Feb 13, 2014 4:13am
Quoting loeil
USDCHF - missed yesterday's high, but today gives even better entries Such a nice long buildings there.. {image}
Agreed! This is my first live PVSRA trade too
Added #3 and #4 scouts since last post.
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  • Feb 13, 2014 4:14am Feb 13, 2014 4:14am
GU - short.
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  • #65,609
  • Edited 4:33am Feb 13, 2014 4:22am | Edited 4:33am
Quoting traderathome
NU: JRissa, Another problem with all this "blubber" about a SUPRATREND "Ichimoku Gotchu" is that you've gone and tinkered with the machine without reading the damn manual.....geez, it's a disease with you newbies!..... Anyway, see the chart attached. Note the boot at the end. Yes, I know it is not high heeled as you prefer, and it is all shriveled and wrinkled, but they're using cheap leather in Italy now. Nevertheless, that boot is gunna give your NU long trade a kick in the ass! Just as soon as the MMs stop pushing and loading shorts and the USD...
Dear Professor, please consider this before totally mocking mah "dragon";

Yes, it is based on Ichimoku indicator, but nowhere near the original ichimoku. I've gone through different setting long time already and found that with values 120, 5, 2 the thing you get is Sonic R Dragon +Trend in new uniform. None of the Ichimoku trading rules apply. As I have said, these rules, with this "dragon" made with ichimoku, are basically the very same as they are with Classic Dragon view. All rules apply, but for me as I said earlier, this gives easier visualisation to follow Sonic R rules and trades.

For example:
-SL moving above/below S/R2 is same as moving SL little behind Trend (ema89). With original Trend, your SL is much further back, cause ema89 moves some way behind

-Entry taken when price goes through and color changes is the same as entering when price goes through dragon +trend and dragon +trend crosses.

-Scout entry taken when price bounces from S/R1 is the same as price bounces from dragon (ema34) With original Dragon, you can see this after price has gone some way already, cause ema34 takes time to get to that level, where the bounce is seen AFTER it has already happened

-Scout entry taken when price bounces from S/R2 is the same as price bounces from trend (ema89) With original Trend, you can see this after price has gone some way already, cause ema34 takes time to get to that level, where the bounce is seen AFTER it has already happened
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TP when price pierces S/R1 is the same as price pierces dragon (ema34)
Ect...

PVSRA implied to new dragon;
-Warning sign for possible rewersal/stop in direction of "dragon"
-Scout climax action at "dragon"

Added goodness is that compared to original dragon+trend, this thing advances much faster making it just easier to be on the current situation.

This is not like inventing wheel again, more like taking old wooden rims and upgrading them to aluminum ones
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  • #65,610
  • Feb 13, 2014 4:34am Feb 13, 2014 4:34am
Quoting loeil
GU - short. {image} {image}
Loeil,

You are a real good trader. See, you have fewer entries on GU and a higher price average than do I. It is because you waited for the LS to get underway. I did not. Patience, the patience it takes to be a better trader is what you demonstrate to all of us here. I shall do better because I am going to actually work at following your example.

You are a blessing to this thread, to all Sonicers who will accept you as a blessing.

Thank you, Loeil, for your ongoing participation.

Regards,
-tah
  • #65,611
  • Feb 13, 2014 4:40am Feb 13, 2014 4:40am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} EU Took long scout yesterday seconds before Super Mario speech and now SL at BE and price action still seems to me that it was manipulation to get liquidity from stoplosses and retail sell orders by MM's played with unschechuled news that said ECB is considering a negative deposit rate. Super Mario avoided to tell any info regarding this earlier news. Sounds like someone wants traders to take more short side before releasing current info on situation. Sounds manipulation to me. {image} Entry was purely based on PVSRA reading based on given...

EU AND USDCHF

Locked in for profit by using new template and still continue the full trade if price continues moving fast

BTW. Weekly BULL FLAG just valid. Now if weekly candle closes here/above, bull flag should be in play. ATM I'm getting this feeling that THIS move right now is the manipulation and after everyones stoplosses +longstops before getting price back to flag area/continue down fast! Either way, I'm in profit for sure
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Older speculations about playing this flag out:
Quoting JRissa
{quote} You might be absolutely right once again Professor, but I have my reasons to stay in this long position still little longer... I think that down now would be too easy. Isn't that what everyone is expecting? I have learned to always expect the unexpected. Most of the times, it's the highest propability scenario {image} {image} This drifting slowly little downwards would give MM's huge long orders as everyone else shorts. Everyone can see this strong weekly/monthly trendline and thinking that it will hold once again. Also as you said that as Master Sonicdeejay always says; let the dragon show the way. I see up! {image} Edit: And right now came negative euro news and price stayed still with high volume. {image}
Quoting JRissa
{quote} Exactly what I meant to say! I'm thinking the amount of short orders possible to fill if/when price goes through this higher trendline. And with better price
Quoting JRissa
{quote} If you were MM, would you leave this ultrahigh pump/dump oppoturnity undone? I know I wouldn't Can't help it, but I love speculations.
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  • #65,612
  • Edited 5:02am Feb 13, 2014 4:44am | Edited 5:02am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} Dear Professor, please consider this before totally mocking mah "dragon"; Yes, it is based on Ichimoku indicator, but nowhere near the original ichimoku. I've gone through different setting long time already and found that with values 120, 5, 2 the thing you get is Sonic R Dragon +Trend in new uniform. None of the Ichimoku trading rules apply. As I have said, these rules, with this "dragon" made with ichimoku, are basically the very same as they are with Classic Dragon view. All rules apply, but for me as I said earlier, this gives easier...
JRissa,

Three Points:

1. The Trend (89ema) has nothing to do with SL setting. The 89 moving average is simply accepted as a "standard" in the forex market as the divider between bull and bear PA. That is all it is. We use the 89 ema as a tweak, but still, it is only to show the bull/bear demarcation on the chart.

2. The advantage of the 34 ema Dragon is its lag! All one has to do is research historic PA and Dragon situations to see that the best entries were obtained if a trader had waited for the Dragon to catch up to PA and then waited even more for the next LS, or the next hump in the Dragon and then the Classic setup.

3. If it is "rushing" you want, then just the PVA indicators without any Dragon will give it to you. Or, the trader can drop down to the M5, or even the M1, and wait for the Dragon to align with PA. By being careful doing this, and with a keen eye on the volume story, this can work well.

I question what it is, exactly, that you are trying to use the Dragon for. For us, it is to assure the EP Zone (enter at least a few pips beyond the end of the first candle out of the Dragon on leg #3 of a proper PA Wave) and with the angle being important as a sign of momentum. Neither of these do you seem to be focused on as the purpose of the Dragon.

Maybe the problem here is all my fault. I too often rush into trades, so my trades have not been good examples of the proper use of the few indicators we use. I really need to reflect on this more now. Thank you.

-tah
  • #65,613
  • Feb 13, 2014 4:54am Feb 13, 2014 4:54am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} JRissa, Three Points: 1. The Trend (89ema) has nothing to do with SL setting. The 89 moving average is simply accepted as a "standard" in the forex market as the divider between bull and bear PA. That is all it is. We use the 89 ema as a tweak, but still, it is only to show the bull/bear demarcation on the chart. 2. The advantage of the 34 ema Dragon is its lag! All one has to do is research historic PA and Dragon situations to see that the best entries were obtained if a trader had waited for the Dragon to catch up to PA and then waited...
Good points Professor and I respect it fully.

Let's just say that for me, this new setup brings more pleasing trading experience with original rules. My weakest point always has been, that I haven't let the winners run and took the opposite setups many times too early. For me, this brings easier to follow rules Hopefully not rushing with TP too soon in future...
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  • #65,614
  • Edited 5:22am Feb 13, 2014 5:11am | Edited 5:22am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} JRissa, Three Points: 1. The Trend (89ema) has nothing to do with SL setting. The 89 moving average is simply accepted as a "standard" in the forex market as the divider between bull and bear PA. That is all it is. We use the 89 ema as a tweak, but still, it is only to show the bull/bear demarcation on the chart. 2. The advantage of the 34 ema Dragon is its lag! All one has to do is research historic PA and Dragon situations to see that the best entries were obtained if a trader had waited for the Dragon to catch up to PA and then waited...
"Maybe the problem here is all my fault. I too often rush into trades, so my trades have not been good examples of the proper use of the few indicators we use." Professor TAH

No, not your problem, most of us problem as I have seen in past...
Original rule for best Classic setup is simple, but often forgot. it's in your post in past that's linked to post #1;
Placement of EP
Wait for a WAVE leg #3 candle to break out of the DRAGON, and place your entry order at least several pips beyond it. It is better if there is no strong S&R area just beyond the entry. Remember also, it is best if PA is above TREND for longs, below TREND for shorts.

And one thing that your EP placement advise is missing from the most original advice is, that Dragon should be above trend for long entry and below trend for short entry. All before this is simply scout entering

This is where Ichi generated dragon shines. It changes from blue to green and backwards as a reminder when dragon +trend crosses. It also shows more precise places of dragon +trend for scout entries to direction that we are moving already. Or at least I'm using it that way

Many many times, and this comes from experience of over 1year with classic entries, when setup is formed, even with PVSRA support, only by going through Dragon alone, price keeps making new high/low locking us to losing position and building from there to average entryprice more pleasing level or hit our SL placed just above/below last swing high/low. This is much more rare to happen when Dragon has already crossed trend. Basically you dont get as good price that you get with earlier entry, but you get more sure trade.


Edit:
But alright, enough of this template discussion! Let's get back to trading business!

Took short AU and short AJ

Entries shown with both templates. Scouts / early re-entries by original Sonic R rules
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  • #65,615
  • Edited 5:30am Feb 13, 2014 5:18am | Edited 5:30am
GJ Comment

Everyone is waiting now for the several USD high impact releases. But here is a pair only distantly related. GJ is showing bearish. If price breaks down thru the half number, it becomes a Sonic R. System "good to go" Classic setup.
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  • #65,616
  • Edited 6:17am Feb 13, 2014 5:42am | Edited 6:17am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} "Maybe the problem here is all my fault. I too often rush into trades, so my trades have not been good examples of the proper use of the few indicators we use." Professor TAH No, not your problem, most of us problem as I have seen in past... Original rule for best Classic setup is simple, but often forgot. it's in your post in past that's linked to post #1; Placement of EP Wait for a WAVE leg #3 candle to break out of the DRAGON, and place your entry order at least several pips beyond it. It is better if there is no strong S&R area just...
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"And one thing that your EP placement advise is missing from the most original advice is, that Dragon should be above trend for long entry and below trend for short entry."

Yes, I have said this. I am no longer in agreement with it. I have not been repeating it. And it is not a part of the original rules. I said this at a time when it seemed Classic setups were getting "reversed" too frequently, and that by waiting for the Dragon, not just PA, to be on the "right" side of the Trend, things would be better. I realize now that was at a time the MMs were very actively whipping prices.

Frankly, there is no indicator or combination of indicators that solves this. You will discover this for yourself if you rely on Ichimoku (any settings) to solve this problem. Personally, I believe the closest we can come to a solution is to have better cognizance of where PA is in regards to key S&R, to always be suspiciously on the lookout for MMs to whip prices to hit stops, and to know what we will do if they do. Waiting on entries for the Dragon to cross the Trend is not the solution, nor is the Ichimoku. They are not solutions, no indicators are, because none of them will predict if the MMs might whip prices nor prevent the MMs from whipping prices.

Please don't get me wrong. If you fall in love with an indicator, use it. That is a trader's choice to make. I feel in this case, though, you are on a rabbit trail.

-tah
  • #65,617
  • Feb 13, 2014 6:03am Feb 13, 2014 6:03am
so, PVSRA will be the best currently? but how we trade with MM and Confirm by Volume..

I read through many post and download the PDF file of PVSRA. Confusing and not so understand how to trade with this..

Hope tah using simple english to explain it..

Thank in advanced!!!! Have a nice day!
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  • #65,618
  • Feb 13, 2014 6:07am Feb 13, 2014 6:07am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} EU AND USDCHF Locked in for profit by using new template and still continue the full trade if price continues moving fast BTW. Weekly BULL FLAG just valid. Now if weekly candle closes here/above, bull flag should be in play. ATM I'm getting this feeling that THIS move right now is the manipulation and after everyones stoplosses +longstops before getting price back to flag area/continue down fast! Either way, I'm in profit for sure {image} {image} Older speculations about playing this flag out: {quote} {quote} {quote}
USDCHF

Trade closed with 33.2pips profit
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  • Feb 13, 2014 6:16am Feb 13, 2014 6:16am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} EU AND USDCHF Locked in for profit by using new template and still continue the full trade if price continues moving fast BTW. Weekly BULL FLAG just valid. Now if weekly candle closes here/above, bull flag should be in play. ATM I'm getting this feeling that THIS move right now is the manipulation and after everyones stoplosses +longstops before getting price back to flag area/continue down fast! Either way, I'm in profit for sure {image} {image} Older speculations about playing this flag out: {quote} {quote} {quote}
EU

Trade closed with 80.8pips profit
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  • #65,620
  • Feb 13, 2014 6:24am Feb 13, 2014 6:24am
Quoting JRissa
{quote} "Maybe the problem here is all my fault. I too often rush into trades, so my trades have not been good examples of the proper use of the few indicators we use." Professor TAH No, not your problem, most of us problem as I have seen in past... Original rule for best Classic setup is simple, but often forgot. it's in your post in past that's linked to post #1; Placement of EP Wait for a WAVE leg #3 candle to break out of the DRAGON, and place your entry order at least several pips beyond it. It is better if there is no strong S&R area just...
AU AND AJ

Tightened SL's
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