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  • #65,481
  • Feb 11, 2014 10:07am Feb 11, 2014 10:07am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Svilen, I do understand you about finding a "way" to stop the constant questions about PVSRA and angry response related, as you put it. PVSRA is intended as an analysis method, not a trade entry signal. This is where folks get the wrong idea, and possibly upset in thinking the Sonic R. System is being forced into changing. It is not. I agree that there is the tendency to use the analysis PVSRA as an entry signal, hence "PVSRA trades", but this is not the intent and in fact, this is where things can go really wrong! I am guilty of doing this...
Okay, I agree with you and I have never been otherwise ...

Just by reading the posts here I'm sick and you think with all the same " dumb " questions and answers angry ..

I personally prefer to read first , then view your schedule / Downloads 'm pretty important to me graphs of posts and PDF 's to themes / and only then ask if you need to.

I admit that my analysis is still quite " lame " and is very difficult to give up bad habits to try to "return" on the market after I was " punished " for my stupidity ... but I know that with patience and desire all is achieved . There are good "soil" to achieve the goal - profit. Thanks for your system !
  • #65,482
  • Feb 11, 2014 10:07am Feb 11, 2014 10:07am
Not denying that MM have strong hold on the market. But events like todays (Janet speaking) have the potential to change the way MM look at the bigger picture. When their view changes, so does their market positions. Charts are very important, so is an understanding of fundamental conditions driving the market.


Quoting traderathome
{quote} As bright or not as bright, it really doesn't matter. And, whether it would be Bernanke or her talking, what they say really doesn't matter either. All that matters is how the MMs have decided to move prices. They might move them in such a way that folks think it is logical based on what was said, or they might move prices in the other direction. How prices are moved by the MMs is based on what kind of moves will generate the most profits. It is the content of the chart that matters, not the content of the "news". -tah
Its all in the mind.
  • #65,483
  • Feb 11, 2014 10:13am Feb 11, 2014 10:13am
Quoting MrAmazing
GU Price make new low with more volume. then high bull volume occured (red box), next candle break previous candle high (we ready to move up). Price test again, I entered long, set TP. And TP hit. Remember: if you do this analisis with higher timeframe, you will gain more pips and profit BUT takes more time. So the decision is yours. I hope this will help you. {image}
Great work and example. I try on demo. it is no easy but good idea for daytrading. You trade only EURUSD i GBPUSD?
  • #65,484
  • Feb 11, 2014 10:30am Feb 11, 2014 10:30am
Quoting traderathome
Opened GJ Long Trade: Entered long #1, Scout and added Longs #2-9, Scouts. Entered long #1, Scout. This is based on the analysis posted above and what I see going on (PVSRA) on M1. It has me decided that the lows are coveted now, if even only to make profit on temporary longs during a retrace move back up. As I see it via PVSRA, this is now in a down trend. Late Friday the MMs closed some profitable shorts. They are now looking to hike the price to re-accumulate shorts at higher prices. The lows are no coveted to accumulate long orders on which...
GJ Long Trade Closed:

Adjusted TP reached and trade closed for 3,359.2 pips gain. Added longs #10-21 subsequent to last post.
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  • #65,485
  • Feb 11, 2014 11:04am Feb 11, 2014 11:04am
UCad Comment:

Price has been up/down both sides of the half number SR as the MMs either dilly-dallied, or built positions. Finally, a nice PA short wave down thru the half number SR. Too late for a target today, but the next lower half number SR is within the week range. Even the 1.0900 whole number beneath is not out of the question. Meanwhile, maybe tomorrow a retrace for more loading of shorts. Never know for sure.
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  • #65,486
  • Feb 11, 2014 11:59am Feb 11, 2014 11:59am
Reflections on Sonic R, PVSRA, the methodology and thread.

Sonic R
If you've not realised, it is made up of nothing more the 4 EMAs and basic wave analysis. ​Elliot, 123 are all examples of wave analysis. If you've studied enough, you will realize that despite the different names they have, they are in essence the same thing! And these have been pointed out at the very very beginning! Sonic is a master not because of the dragon or waves...it is simply because he trades well.

PVSRA
Introduced by TAH, is simply another method of volume analysis. Its original purpose, premise and intent has been covered by me in an earlier post, repeated by TAH just a few post earlier and also pointed out at the very very beginning! To repeat a little, we use PVSRA to determine what MMs are up to and we want to know that because they affect price and that is actually where it ends! How we use the information PVSRA gives us is entirely up to us! Be it to add validation to your Sonic setups as per original intent or the alternative applications which have been shared of late is really your own prerogative!

Important facts to realise / remember
No matter what system, method or analysis you use, you are doing nothing but collecting information. It is how you use that information that makes or breaks you.

This thread is 3275 pages till date! A lot of it is "history repeating itself"! Same questions, arguments even this very post is nothing new! Enthusiasm will wear, patience will wear no matter how sincere one is about sharing knowledge. Typing a post takes time, sharing a chart takes time, time that can be spent trading.
I want more brain power!
  • #65,487
  • Feb 11, 2014 12:15pm Feb 11, 2014 12:15pm
Hi Sonicers,

What is your view about NzdUsd?

I have been building selling positions since Tah open the #1 Scout, but its taking alot of time to reverse and i´m about 120 pips down from my first order. I´ve been using 0.01, so its not critical, but its hard this waiting...

Keep Calm its a Winner?
Dificult things take longer, Imposible ones just take a bit more
  • #65,488
  • Feb 11, 2014 1:21pm Feb 11, 2014 1:21pm
Quoting Drawme5
Hi Sonicers, What is your view about NzdUsd? I have been building selling positions since Tah open the #1 Scout, but its taking alot of time to reverse and i´m about 120 pips down from my first order. I´ve been using 0.01, so its not critical, but its hard this waiting... Keep Calm its a Winner?
Sorry I could not resist stepping in. I am myself short NZD USD. FWIW- Watching PA very closely and it seems it hated getting to 8340 and immediately rejected.. this may be the swing high. I have 2 trades opened at 8305 and 8325.
Its all in the mind.
  • #65,489
  • Feb 11, 2014 1:28pm Feb 11, 2014 1:28pm
Interesting little graphic doing the rounds on WSJ.
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Its all in the mind.
  • #65,490
  • Feb 11, 2014 1:56pm Feb 11, 2014 1:56pm
Quoting cfdtaleong
Reflections on Sonic R, PVSRA, the methodology and thread. Sonic R If you've not realised, it is made up of nothing more the 4 EMAs and basic wave analysis. ​Elliot, 123 are all examples of wave analysis. If you've studied enough, you will realize that despite the different names they have, they are in essence the same thing! And these have been pointed out...
Sure,
BUT... after, read 350 FIRST (till now) and LAST 120 pages of thread (and, of course, every attachment txt and code here);
BUT, testing every idea and indi from here;
BUT, after analyzing whole bunch of ideas (call them "systems", "strategies"... or what else) from this and another threads;
BUT, after read 6K pages of books about PA, PVA, Fibo, S&R, harmonics, psycho & mentality, another newbie things...;
BUT, after spend cca. 500hrs of MQL prog & test (sure, im programmer in real life)...
I DONT GET what Mtr.Sonic, Prof. TAH, and couple of successful guys here have in their minds when enter/exit in/from trade, how manage their loses, what expect when enter, what think just second-two before exit... (i realize, for sure, that i cant effort that luxury to sow 20-30 scouts on chart with my 1K Eur account, even with 0,01Lots and 1:400 leverage)...
BUT; BUT; BUT... im confused with results here on thread and without results on my account.

(of course, because of my sick obsession to take statistic about everything what i doing, sure, i take statistic about everiyhing what i doing here with FX, and statistic say: i spend 1060hrs just at FX for 82days, i have extra MM about get ONLY 25 pips/day... and still cant get that pips... em i stupid, retard, or...!??)

CAUTION:
- Im 35yrs old man, have family... so im not some of kind wild child hungry of life and ego adrenaline
- I dont use any drugs, medicine or another psychedelic substances (except couple of beers after London close, when dont trade)
- I really feel stupid when wrote this and if some will offense my post, im finished with FX trading

THANKS A LOT and I appreciate any help and advice!!!

Core.
  • #65,491
  • Feb 11, 2014 2:11pm Feb 11, 2014 2:11pm
Quoting CoreNYa
{quote} [...] (sure, im programmer in real life)... I DONT GET what Mtr.Sonic, Prof. TAH, and couple of successful guys here have in their minds when enter/exit in/from trade, how manage their loses, what expect when enter, what think just second-two before exit... (i realize, for sure, that i cant effort that luxury to sow 20-30 scouts on chart with my 1K Eur account, even with 0,01Lots and 1:400 leverage)... BUT; BUT; BUT... im confused with results here on thread and without results on my account. (of course, because of my sick obsession...
You are a programmer? That's a huuuuge leg up man.

Listen, if you've got programming skills and once you have figured out a system that "theoretcally" should work - program it, run it, back and forward test it. If it doesn't work, make a different system. Make it adaptable and etc. Then (approx after 5 years, depending on the effort you put it) spend time with your family while automated trading is doing the work for you and enjoy your 40s, day job and extra leisure time.

From what I've heard, Oanda is pretty advanced and great execution latency providing broker. Personally I do not use it, but Oanda's API can be in Java (and C++ I think?) They have partnership with VPS servers and etc.
cut losses short, let profits run.
  • #65,492
  • Edited 2:53pm Feb 11, 2014 2:34pm | Edited 2:53pm
Quoting Domas4
{quote} You are a programmer? That's a huuuuge leg up man. Listen, if you've got programming skills and once you have figured out a system that "theoretcally" should work - program it, run it, back and forward test it. If it doesn't work, make a different system. Make it adaptable and etc. Then (approx after 5 years, depending on the effort you put it) spend time with your family while automated trading is doing the work for you and enjoy your 40s, day job and extra leisure time. ...
DELETED BY ME, im overreacted...: XXXXX

As i see, this... system works, i can understand every indy, every code in them...problem is, i dont understand code in brains of successful ppls here.
So, if you cant reply any smart thing at my post, to help me out with this... DELETED: XXXXX
TNX.

Core.
  • #65,493
  • Feb 11, 2014 2:35pm Feb 11, 2014 2:35pm
Quoting Sunbrella
{quote} EU update: Retracement started as expected and reached a level on Friday where EU may turn south again with a promise of a good R/R opportunity. Note that PA is still bullish and may go much higher - who knows - my limit short order may turn out to be too early. See further details on my pic. Please note that my short setup remains valid until PA remains below 1.374x - accordng to my rules. Good luck.
EU update

EU turned south where it was expected to do so and I opened my first short position. Note that my position is in profit now and protected against loss - no risk left in the position. Still too early to say EU will accelerate to the downside.
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Mind the gap
  • #65,494
  • Feb 11, 2014 2:37pm Feb 11, 2014 2:37pm
Quoting CoreNYa
{quote} Shhh, leave your wisdom for someone else, maybe in some newbie EA thread. As i see, this... system works, i can understand every indy, every code in them...problem is, i dont understand code in brains of successful ppls here. So, if you cant reply any smart thing at my post, to help me out with this... its ok to shut up your mouth. TNX. Core.
No problem. I'll shut up.
cut losses short, let profits run.
  • #65,495
  • Feb 11, 2014 2:40pm Feb 11, 2014 2:40pm
Quoting Domas4
{quote} No problem. I'll shut up.
No hard feelings, but im not talking about EAs, and all 4 legs up wile $ comming up... your post sound me some like that.
  • #65,496
  • Feb 11, 2014 3:02pm Feb 11, 2014 3:02pm
can somebody tell me is new indi for mt4 600 ready pls.
I trade for 14 years with stocks and now litl with forex, I was trading forex before 5 years ago, and lost 7 k eur, I was trading with oil and lost 24 k eur, that is life you have to keap going
  • #65,497
  • Feb 11, 2014 3:09pm Feb 11, 2014 3:09pm
Perfect place for a bounce

H.
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"The future is already written in the past"
  • #65,498
  • Feb 11, 2014 4:12pm Feb 11, 2014 4:12pm
Hello
I would know somethings about thes charts posted here
I saw for entry scout a label . How do you put this label ( manually or it is a indicator) ?( see the chart below).


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Thanks

Regards
  • #65,499
  • Feb 11, 2014 5:44pm Feb 11, 2014 5:44pm
Quoting FXRobert
{quote} Great work and example. I try on demo. it is no easy but good idea for daytrading. You trade only EURUSD i GBPUSD?
Yes, now I am focus only this 2 pairs although I am interested in other pairs (especially AU). Focus make better entry and can control my money management better.

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  • #65,500
  • Edited 7:00pm Feb 11, 2014 6:27pm | Edited 7:00pm
Quoting CoreNYa
{quote} DELETED BY ME, im overreacted...: XXXXX As i see, this... system works, i can understand every indy, every code in them...problem is, i dont understand code in brains of successful ppls here. So, if you cant reply any smart thing at my post, to help me out with this... DELETED: XXXXX TNX. Core.
The Truth About the Market

CoreNYa,

I will probably get a lot of flack from techies and indicator enthusiasts for what I am about to say, but that has never kept me from speaking out before and it won't now. So, here it goes.....

The market is too random to ever be successfully mathematically modeled. Period!

Mathematicians of renown, and even some with trading experience, have over a great number of years attempted to mathematically model the market to produce a trading method that is reliably profitable. They have all failed, and it is because they have tried to do what cannot be done. Sure, some consistencies can be seen in the market. So can inconsistencies. But the cold truth is that the inconsistencies rule! The consistencies more function as "traps laid" than anything else!

You are wasting your time by trying to rely on statistics to become a successful trader. At any time the price can move totally contrary to any mathematical "conclusion" and for the reason that the market is a business run by the Market Makers for profit. That is the primary function of the market! And the Market Makers, to make their profits, introduce randomness and have "Wow!" computer systems to execute randomness. The Market Makers, when it comes to making their profits from their market making business, are obsessively greedy, incredibly deceiving, and extremely talented price manipulators. You can even be right about your trade, but have your trade stop loss hit by the Market Makers before the Market Makers allow the trade to fully run!

The idea behind the Sonic R. System is to see when a few "conditions" favorable to a price move occur together at the right time. These conditions are the PA wave, the Dragon angle, their location relative to key S&R, the recent volume history at H/L prices and the right time most often being in the London session. This is an elegantly simple and effective trading system. Even so, there is no guarantee how price will move next. There never is! There never has been. There never will be.

-tah
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