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  • #28,421
  • Dec 27, 2013 7:06pm Dec 27, 2013 7:06pm
Quoting lastingwell
{quote} Not quite, if price makes a LL, if I close and reopen my charts 100 times or change timeframes and back again there is still a LL there, if I put on an indicator that repaints, the arrow is no longer where it was when re-opening the chart, a big difference between the 2 things. By backtesting an indicator that has repainted the past it does not give a realistic view of that indicator.
Give yourself a chance and trade it like it's layed out...
  • #28,422
  • Dec 27, 2013 7:37pm Dec 27, 2013 7:37pm
Quoting mary4x
{quote} WDays, where on Skype do I "add Joe Phippard"? I'm new to Skype and just now opened an account. Thanks for any help.
There is an "add contact" option in the toolbar below your skype name.
  • #28,423
  • Dec 27, 2013 8:12pm Dec 27, 2013 8:12pm
Quoting kolesar007
{quote} I see people complaining about indicator repainting. It is normal that when conditions changed that indicator show this..dont you all think that. Lets say if price made HL and this is uptrend and then next candle made LL this is not uptrend anymore but its possible start of downtrend..so as trader must adapt to PA also indicator adapt to PA and repaint is nothing more than adapt to price. I will complain if indicators do not adapt to this . I sugest you all not to backtest with F12 because you do not get view as when you trade(another...
Quoting kolesar007
{quote} ... Newbee must know that all indicators are just for help and not to blindly follow them, because PA is the king and you must get feel of the market and know that loosers is normal in trading as in other bussineses.
Good point made by kolesar007.
Indicators are tools/aid to help us and not to follow them blindly.

Some indicators are poorly coded and do not adapt to the price action in realtime. Many of us have experience this using different versions of the Traders Dynamic Index TDI.
One version TDI_RT has realtime response to price action while other version does not and only paint after the current price bar closed.
Always remember that when trading TMS, we trade the real price and its price action. The TDI must support and confirm the real price and the price action. The APB is there to make our trading less stressful.
A lot of emphasis on knowing the Price Action PA and also Support and Resistance. When trading 4H swing, there will be some setups which will fail to run so we must be prepared with exit and/or closing losing positions in worst cases. This PA thing is the hard part for many traders to learn and it will take time.
Learn and experience it yourself.
  • #28,424
  • Dec 27, 2013 8:27pm Dec 27, 2013 8:27pm
Quoting blamshakk
thanks, i guess i will have to test this out forward demo, good feedback
Yes, good to run this in realtime and analyse the chart details.
Also, you may want to consider putting the TDI and the Synergy_Pro TDI on the same chart to compare them.
You can use a screen capture EA which will automatically make screen shots for you hence you don't need to be at your computer screen all the time.
  • #28,425
  • Dec 27, 2013 8:31pm Dec 27, 2013 8:31pm
Quoting chaosbun
Hi guys, I am trading using H1 Chart with TDI Here is the result of my pick today {image} My chart is a bit complicated. I mix with other system and you can say its sort of like a CHAOS system, but main indication still come from TDI. {image} USD/CAD Long {image} AUD/USD short {image} TDI rejected and bounce downward. EUR/CHF long {image} I just wanna share with the members here that regardless you win or lose at this very moment, the main thing in playing forex is to get your indication & entry right from now onward, spotting right chart, entry...

Good trades, profitable ones.
Your CHAOS system with TDI works for you.
There is a saying: "In chaos, there are opportunities".
You see them on your charts.
Thanks for sharing.
  • #28,426
  • Dec 27, 2013 9:46pm Dec 27, 2013 9:46pm
Hi everyone, my first post here so firstly a big thank you to all the contributors for such a great thread and invaluable information, and of course Big E for starting the thread (RIP). I've been demoing TMS for the last 4 months and notwithstanding some completely stupid entries and exits I haven't been doing too bad for a newb. I suppose my years in the horse racing game has helped somewhat as MM in that game is exactly the same as trading.

I've been studying PA, supply and demand and S&R zones for the last few months and have a couple of questions if someone doesn't mind helping me. I've decided that H1 is the TF for me as I live in Australia and the LO falls very nicely as it's 6pm here and I can trade until 10-11pm without it interfering with my sleep and day business. The question is if I'm trading H1 on which TF should I be setting my S&R zones? I do realize that the longer the TF the more reliable they are but am I better off just going off H4 or higher?

The second question is about the smart money or institutions and I hope it's not a stupid newbie question but where are these guys at? I'm sure they don't day trade but would they be looking at days, weeks or months as a general trading TF? I can't seem to find the answer anywhere.

Thanks again for all the help this thread has given me.
Per Ardua Ad Astra - Through Adversity To The Stars
  • #28,427
  • Edited Dec 28, 2013 2:14am Dec 27, 2013 11:29pm | Edited Dec 28, 2013 2:14am
Quoting vtayha
{quote} Good trades, profitable ones. Your CHAOS system with TDI works for you. There is a saying: "In chaos, there are opportunities". You see them on your charts. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for your valuable feedback, indeed I see quite a lot of entry on this nightmare Friday, but the reason why I use

-Bollinger Band
-TDI
-Genesis Matrix
-EMA 34 Dragon, 89 Trend

is to get a clear picture of price action.

TDI with green cross red although below yellow line , was a valid call due to the support seen at the low. which show buyers surface.
EMA 34,89 crossing at EUR/USD at 1.371 show the change in trend to bullish. with TDI act as a double confirmation.

Upon Price Breach Bollinger Band middle line, it show price is heading towards the upper band and might breach it.
Genesis Matrix is sort of lag by 1-2 candles of TDI, but its better to get double confirmation.



How price move:

Actually TDI with H1 is a better indication than TDI at M5 or M15, as you can see that the buyer surface out, and the green start to cross red.
We call it as "Support" or "Resistance", whereby trading this method is like following the trend, we not picking the low, neither we picking the high.

What important is follow the price action.


Many people say, that adding a lot of indicators only make your entry more doubts and more messy, but everything have 2 sides.
A Chaos system, might be "chaotic" but it actually give you more confirmation. If you able to see the price, and ignore your biasness.
Learn to Trade is Important. Keep your bias & ego aside.
  • #28,428
  • Dec 28, 2013 1:35am Dec 28, 2013 1:35am
Quoting chaosbun
Hi guys, I am trading using H1 Chart with TDI Here is the result of my pick today {image} My chart is a bit complicated. I mix with other system and you can say its sort of like a CHAOS system, but main indication still come from TDI. {image} USD/CAD Long {image} AUD/USD short {image} TDI rejected and bounce downward. EUR/CHF long {image} I just wanna share with the members here that regardless you win or lose at this very moment, the main thing in playing forex is to get your indication & entry right from now onward, spotting right chart, entry...
Hi. Please continue to share metod pictures. What is all those extra indicators? Care to explain? If it is off topic you can pm me.
  • #28,429
  • Dec 28, 2013 2:14am Dec 28, 2013 2:14am
Quoting LFN
{quote} Hi. Please continue to share metod pictures. What is all those extra indicators? Care to explain? If it is off topic you can pm me.


Yesterday, when E/U price was around 1.372, many might think "its suppose to fall" , but price action say the other thing.

TDI show green cross red in a bullish manner.
Bollinger Band was cut through at 1.3740.

89 EMA went below 34 EMA. Bullish sign
Learn to Trade is Important. Keep your bias & ego aside.
  • #28,430
  • Edited 4:27am Dec 28, 2013 2:31am | Edited 4:27am
Quoting lastingwell
{quote} Not quite, if price makes a LL, if I close and reopen my charts 100 times or change timeframes and back again there is still a LL there, if I put on an indicator that repaints, the arrow is no longer where it was when re-opening the chart, a big difference between the 2 things. By backtesting an indicator that has repainted the past it does not give a realistic view of that indicator.
Quoting vtayha
{quote} {quote} Good point made by kolesar007. Indicators are tools/aid to help us and not to follow them blindly. Some indicators are poorly coded and do not adapt to the price action in realtime. Many of us have experience this using different versions of the Traders Dynamic Index TDI. One version TDI_RT has realtime response to price action while other version does not and only paint after the current price bar closed. Always remember that when trading TMS, we trade the real price and its price action. The TDI must support and confirm...
Yes there is still LL there and indicator adapt to that and arows is no longer there..so this is indicator adapting to PA..isnt it? People paying too much attention on this repainting thing and scare all other with this . Why not look at this as adapt which is not so scary word .

!!! Most important question is why do we use main indicator in TMS .. TDI which is also repainting indicator . As I wrote before you can get clearly cross green with red in one candle but in next candle you can see that this is just bounce of red. !!!

Either you have TDI_RT or just TDI you must know that candle and TDI signal is valid ONLY on their close!!! if you are more agresive and of course more experiance trader you can enter when H1 is not close yet with use of TDI_RT but you must get confirm from lower TF in H1 trading this is M15.
  • #28,431
  • Dec 28, 2013 2:52am Dec 28, 2013 2:52am
Quoting chaosbun
Hi guys, I am trading using H1 Chart with TDI Here is the result of my pick today {image} My chart is a bit complicated. I mix with other system and you can say its sort of like a CHAOS system, but main indication still come from TDI. {image} USD/CAD Long {image} AUD/USD short {image} TDI rejected and bounce downward. EUR/CHF long {image} I just wanna share with the members here that regardless you win or lose at this very moment, the main thing in playing forex is to get your indication & entry right from now onward, spotting right chart, entry...
Hello, it looks like you enter a trade when the TDI indicator have touch one of the outer bands before or?
  • #28,432
  • Dec 28, 2013 6:42am Dec 28, 2013 6:42am
Quoting kolesar007
{quote} {quote} Yes there is still LL there and indicator adapt to that and arows is no longer there..so this is indicator adapting to PA..isnt it? People paying too much attention on this repainting thing and scare all other with this . Why not look at this as adapt which is not so scary word . !!! Most important question is why do we use main indicator in TMS .. TDI which is also repainting indicator . As I wrote before you can get clearly cross green with red in one candle but in next candle you can see that this is just bounce of red....
Ok the only reason this topic came up in the first place was because they were backtesting with a repainting indicator by scrolling back through the h4 charts and our whole point was you can't do that and expect it to be the same when trading with it live. Thats it! that was the whole point, I have never mentioned trading with it live, thats a different thing altogether. Either people will take the warning about backtesting with it or they won't. Personally I don't really care if they do or not, they will find out (as you well know with your experience as a trader) that it won't be the same but hopefully they will not in the meantime think they've found the holy grail while backtesting it and go live with real money.
  • #28,433
  • Dec 28, 2013 8:37am Dec 28, 2013 8:37am
Quoting lastingwell
{quote} Ok the only reason this topic came up in the first place was because they were backtesting with a repainting indicator by scrolling back through the h4 charts and our whole point was you can't do that and expect it to be the same when trading with it live. Thats it! that was the whole point, I have never mentioned trading with it live, thats a different thing altogether. Either people will take the warning about backtesting with it or they won't. Personally I don't really care if they do or not, they will find out (as you well know with...
I think most of us on here and the newer traders coming along want this thread to stay as simple as possible. Why not take the TDI and Synergy concept to a new thread, just as Britpip7 done with the TMS day method.
I`m not saying it won`t suit some traders but as i say keep it simple and on track!

Shane.
  • #28,434
  • Dec 28, 2013 8:54am Dec 28, 2013 8:54am
Quoting spiritboy
{quote} I think most of us on here and the newer traders coming along want this thread to stay as simple as possible. Why not take the TDI and Synergy concept to a new thread, just as Britpip7 done with the TMS day method. I`m not saying it won`t suit some traders but as i say keep it simple and on track! Shane.

Yes and that too
  • #28,435
  • Dec 28, 2013 11:39am Dec 28, 2013 11:39am
Quoting spiritboy
{quote} I think most of us on here and the newer traders coming along want this thread to stay as simple as possible. Why not take the TDI and Synergy concept to a new thread, just as Britpip7 done with the TMS day method. I`m not saying it won`t suit some traders but as i say keep it simple and on track! Shane.
Yes, we should take the new concept to new thread and keep this only for TMS. I was learning from the posts of phx62, bizzzle and other expert TMS traders. Suddenly we are start wasting our time learning new things leaving a proven method well tested by creator late Big E.
  • #28,436
  • Dec 28, 2013 9:56pm Dec 28, 2013 9:56pm
Quoting chaosbun
Hi guys, I am trading using H1 Chart with TDI Here is the result of my pick today {image} My chart is a bit complicated. I mix with other system and you can say its sort of like a CHAOS system, but main indication still come from TDI. {image} USD/CAD Long {image} AUD/USD short {image} TDI rejected and bounce downward. EUR/CHF long {image} I just wanna share with the members here that regardless you win or lose at this very moment, the main thing in playing forex is to get your indication & entry right from now onward, spotting right chart, entry...
Hi Chaosbun,
I would like to ask ,where can I get the Genesis 2.21_(H1) Indicators?
Thanking in advance
Allhappy
  • #28,437
  • Dec 28, 2013 10:01pm Dec 28, 2013 10:01pm
Quoting vtayha
{quote} Those arrows are SynergyPro TDI alerts. Explaination in the Ebook page 51 to 55. Very important to study this Ebook which explains the system. You can set the alerts to True in the SynergyPro TDI indicator. See below. {image}
Hi Vtayha,
I would like to have the Ebook.
Where can I download?
Thanking in advance
Allhappy
  • #28,438
  • Dec 28, 2013 10:40pm Dec 28, 2013 10:40pm
Quoting hoperich
{quote} Yes, we should take the new concept to new thread and keep this only for TMS. I was learning from the posts of phx62, bizzzle and other expert TMS traders. Suddenly we are start wasting our time learning new things leaving a proven method well tested by creator late Big E.

My sentiments too! I find the best help is when I see charts loaded with current trades and details on why the trades were taken at that time using the TMS method. I would like to see it stay true to the TMS format which is a proven method. As my Dad used to say "If it ain't broke don't fix it!" Good advice I think.
  • #28,439
  • Dec 28, 2013 11:05pm Dec 28, 2013 11:05pm
I just opened the TDI mq4 file to have a read for the 1st time & the following is written:
I understand our method to be Green over Red in BOTH directions - what is the story??

Trend Direction - Immediate and Overall |
//| Immediate = Green over Red...price action is moving up. |
//| Red over Green...price action is moving down. |
//| |
//| Overall = Yellow line trends up and down generally between the |
//| lines 32 & 68. Watch for Yellow line to bounces off |
//| these lines for market reversal. Trade long when |
//| price is above the Yellow line, and trade short when |
//| price is below. |
//| |
//| Market Strength & Volatility - Immediate and Overall |
//| Immediate = Green Line - Strong = Steep slope up or down. |
//| Weak = Moderate to Flat slope. |
//| |
//| Overall = Blue Lines - When expanding, market is strong and |
//| trending. When constricting, market is weak and |
//| in a range. When the Blue lines are extremely tight |
//| in a narrow range, expect an economic announcement |
//| or other market condition to spike the market. |
//| |
//| |
//| Entry conditions |
//| Scalping - Long = Green over Red, Short = Red over Green |
//| Active - Long = Green over Red & Yellow lines |
//| Short = Red over Green & Yellow lines |
//| Moderate - Long = Green over Red, Yellow, & 50 lines |
//| Short= Red over Green, Green below Yellow & 50 line |
//| |
//| Exit conditions* |
//| Long = Green crosses below Red |
//| Short = Green crosses above Red |
//| * If Green crosses either Blue lines, consider exiting when |
//| when the Green line crosses back over the Blue line.
  • #28,440
  • Dec 28, 2013 11:37pm Dec 28, 2013 11:37pm
Quoting allhappy
{quote} Hi Chaosbun, I would like to ask ,where can I get the Genesis 2.21_(H1) Indicators? Thanking in advance Allhappy

Its on genesis matrix thread at trading system by realjumper
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