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Sonic R. System

#62,621
Nov 25, 2013 5:23pm Nov 25, 2013 5:23pm

SaiLyfee
Joined Nov 2013 | Status: Trading Chaos | 1,133 Posts

Ah!! I actually did not see that in the first post that links to PVSRA..I totally missed it

I've got the PDF now so I've got some good reading now..that helps clears some things up for me, appreciate it

#62,622
Nov 25, 2013 5:43pm Nov 25, 2013 5:43pm

traderathome
Joined Mar 2008 | Status: PVSRA with Traderathome | 23,552 Posts

Quoting LITEchild

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{quote} hmmm... {image}

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Delegate "Divergence" to Da Trash Can, Man!

The Sonic R. System does not use divergence, not in any form. Does "Divergence" work? Does a clock eventually strike "twelve"?

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Here are the HLs a Sonicer should be looking at. As Master Sonicdeejay always instructs, "Let the Dragon and PA show the way.

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#62,623
Nov 25, 2013 5:59pm Nov 25, 2013 5:59pm

Msis125125
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Quoting traderathome

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{quote} Delegate "Divergence" to Da Trash Can, Man! The Sonic R. System does not use divergence, not in any form. Does "Divergence" work? Does a clock eventually strike "twelve"? {image} Here are the HLs a Sonicer should be looking at. As Master Sonicdeejay always instructs, "Let the Dragon and PA show the way.{image}"

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I disagree with you here TAH, divergence works, actually divergence with dragon works better, meaning of low, high, high low is the DIVERGENCE, is just been called here different!

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There is no spoon....

#62,624
Nov 25, 2013 6:15pm Nov 25, 2013 6:15pm

sonicdeejay
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Quoting sonicdeejay

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{quote} 4 hrs later... Told Cha.. TP1 hit.. {image} Sonic {image}

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13 hrs later tp2 hit..

No more ct short holding..

Sonic

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#62,625
Edited 6:28pm Nov 25, 2013 6:17pm | Edited 6:28pm

traderathome
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NU Short Trade Opened: I just made entry #1, which I consider a Classic entry because the PA waveform is constructed and price has pulled back up to the original EP zone just below the whole number. It is after the LS, but the Dragon is still angled down. The rest of what I say now are things we cannot know with any certainty. This current move up is probably just the after hours MMs trying to add to their short positions.{image} If you look at H1 you can see the overall picture is bearish, but the MMs have supported the price from dropping thru...

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NU Short Trade Update:

Added #2, a Scout. This is a demonstration of the most risky use of Scouts. Look at M1. The price was suddenly run up and culminated with highest volume. This "picture", on any TF chart is an indication of sellers. You have to look at a higher TF chart to see what I saw, that the MMs were running the price up thru previous key SR (light blue line) and when they got the price there, they poured on the trading. Question is, are they selling to close longs or to open shorts. This has been in a down trend, so most likely to open shorts, though certainly they were closing the longs it took to execute the push up!

The risk here is that the price hiking might not be over with. The MMs might be more bear than bull and short it back down some, but then mount another hike even further and at the top do more selling to close the longs the hike required and resume shorting at the even higher prices than the last time. We simply can never know how the price will move next, nor when it will eventually reverse. This is trading against the Dragon and PA, and is very risky.

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Edit: I have moved TP lower......

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#62,626
Edited 7:21pm Nov 25, 2013 6:33pm | Edited 7:21pm

traderathome
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EJ: The Bear Awakens, Yawns and Goes Foraging.....

A sign of the bear. Note that two candles previous the volume was notably high. The candle shows the price was spiked up and then closed down. This is a sign the bears hiked the price to grab shorts higher and continued to short it back down, all on a lot more activity than before. The bears are now awake. If they are awake, that could bring more price hikes for shorting instead of immediately lower and lower prices, which is why Master Sonicdeejay instructs "Let the Dragon and PA show the way." We Sonicers should be trading the moves, not the reasons for them.

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Also, note the high volume for the push up last week, and that the current WEEK doji candle is one of "indecision", which can happen at, or near the beginnings of a reversal, though a reversal right here is not guaranteed. Only time will tell. We are beginning only the second day of trading for the week.

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#62,627
Nov 25, 2013 7:09pm Nov 25, 2013 7:09pm

sonicdeejay
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Troll1ng in faceb00kspere .

Sonic

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#62,628
Nov 25, 2013 7:19pm Nov 25, 2013 7:19pm

sonicdeejay
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Quoting sonicdeejay

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{quote} 13 hrs later tp2 hit.. No more ct short holding.. Sonic {image}

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Near 30 pips run up after i close my shorts .

Gotta love the the accuracy...

Sonic

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#62,629
Nov 25, 2013 7:19pm Nov 25, 2013 7:19pm

LITEchild
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#62,630
Nov 25, 2013 7:26pm Nov 25, 2013 7:26pm

traderathome
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{quote} UCad Short Trade Update: Added shorts #4 and #5, Scouts, and adjusted TP. On M1, the price was suddenly pushed towards previous highs on notable volume. This price/volume action above the half number SR looks like the MMs manipulating the price up to add shorts (a PVSRA indication the MMs are bears), so I added here also. This is the most risky of all uses of Scouts and should be done only sparingly. {image}

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UCad Short Trade Closed:

I closed the trade here due to this being a significant level hit during the early Asian session. More than likely the price will retrace before going lower. In any case, I have taken profit and will stalk this for another setup, either way.

Anticipating the end of the run down when PA hits S&R, I adjusted my TP to that level.....

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TP reached.....

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#62,631
Nov 25, 2013 7:35pm Nov 25, 2013 7:35pm

trexy123
| Joined Feb 2012 | Status: Trader | 470 Posts

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{quote} Near 30 pips run up after i close my shorts . Gotta love the the accuracy... Sonic {image}

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Are you Buying?

#62,632
Nov 25, 2013 7:57pm Nov 25, 2013 7:57pm

traderathome
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{quote} AU Long Trade Update: I added #3, a Scout, and adjusted TP. The price in after hours jumped slightly on notable volume down on the M1 chart. This is an indication the MMs are accumulating. It does not mean the price won't retrace lower later today or tomorrow, but it does reinforce the indications the MMs are bulls. Also, the price today made the third significant low that I have been waiting for, with the volume picking up at those lows below the half number SR (a PVSRA indication the MMs are bulls). {image} {image}

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AU Long Trade Closed:

I closed this trade for 600 pips gain. The early Asian session put on a nice move up, up to prior SR (blue line on H1 chart). I figure either this will retrace before moving higher, or will stage for awhile and then set up for a short. Time will tell, but the money is banked.

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Just before close, when I adjusted TP for the close.....

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Just after the close.....

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#62,633
Nov 25, 2013 8:17pm Nov 25, 2013 8:17pm

traderathome
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Quoting traderathome

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{quote} UJ Short Trade Update: Added new short #6, a Scout based on price being back at DAY chart highs and at an important level on the WEEK chart, and with high volume at the highs as the London session closes. No TP/SL. Will consider placement of these when next week fires up. {image}

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UJ Short Trade Update: Added new short #7, a Scout. After adding #6, I decided to await a valid Sonic R. Short setup before adding again. This is a valid short setup. It is before the LS, but the most recent high volume was at the highs. The LS could move this back up, because that is always a possibility.

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Edited 8:42pm Nov 25, 2013 8:32pm | Edited 8:42pm

traderathome
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Quoting Msis125125

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{quote} I disagree with you here TAH, divergence works, actually divergence with dragon works better, meaning of low, high, high low is the DIVERGENCE, is just been called here different! {image}

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Divergence Smurgence.....

Of course it works, if you give it enough time for the results to start coming in, which can be long after the EP zone was put in for a proper Sonic R. System setup.

You are in disagreement with Master Sonicdeejay, not just myself. I am an old user of divergence, but put it in the trash can just like a good Sonicer should. Why? It is not needed, and the results foretold can be a long time coming relative to Sonic R. System setups that can happen in the meanwhile.

The point here is that Sonicers use the Dragon and PA to show the way. We look for setups and trade the proper ones. When we do that, divergence loses all meaning. We trade what the market gives. We don't stand around waiting for the results we expect from some divergence indications. We trade what the market gives, whether divergence is ready to agree or not. And Sonicers surely do not jump into a trade without a proper setup, a trade that is based solely on the direction we expect price to take based on some divergence indication. No sir! That is not the Sonic R. System.

Suit yourself, though.

#62,635
Nov 25, 2013 8:48pm Nov 25, 2013 8:48pm

traderathome
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Trade What the Market Gives...

GU Short Trade Opened:

Entered #1, a Classic. It is before the LS, so there is some risk the MMs might push price back up later. The Dragon has started to angle down, the Trend is angled down, PA is below both, and the notable volume was at the previous highs. In the back of my mind I consider the fact this is Thanksgiving week in USofA, and therefore this might be a short week for the market, and therefore there is less time for the price manipulating MMs to secure their weekly quota of profits, and therefore things might get earlier starts each day. Time will tell, but this is a valid setup except that it is before the LS.

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Edited 10:32pm Nov 25, 2013 9:52pm | Edited 10:32pm

traderathome
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AU Short Trade Opened:

This is trading the M1 chart. You can see market makers whipped the price to the upper whole number to fill large short orders there. Then the price cycled down in good Sonic R. fashion, presenting an M1 Classic and then an M1 re-entry opportunity. I waited for the bottom and then the retrace, shorting as the retrace hit the S&R areas created on the way down.

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On the M15 this looks like it amounts to opening a trade with Scouts, prior to a Classic. It is, but there is that consideration that the MMs hiked price above the whole number on notable volume, a PVSRA indication the MMs are bears, which at this point should be selling to open shorts as opposed to selling to close longs, although certainly the longs needed to manipulate the price up to fill the bank short orders were closed at the highs. So, this is opening a trade with high risk Scout entries.

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Edit: Added short #3, a Scout.

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#62,637
Nov 25, 2013 10:56pm Nov 25, 2013 10:56pm

traderathome
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Quoting traderathome

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{quote} NU Short Trade Update: Added #2, a Scout. This is a demonstration of the most risky use of Scouts. Look at M1. The price was suddenly run up and culminated with highest volume. This "picture", on any TF chart is an indication of sellers. You have to look at a higher TF chart to see what I saw, that the MMs were running the price up thru previous key SR (light blue line) and when they got the price there, they poured on the trading. Question is, are they selling to close longs or to open shorts. This has been in a down trend, so most likely...

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NU Short Trade Update:

Added #3, a Scout. I feel like I have outsmarted myself and have gotten on the wrong side of price action. If this goes much higher, the distance back down won't be enough to have made this all worthwhile. That is the least of the risk. The worse is that if the bulls are truly behind this and it keeps going further up, by the time I relent, the price tag will be unpleasant. This is a FR 50% retrace. If it goes a bit further I will add once more, then wait and see.

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