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  • #461
  • Nov 1, 2013 5:58pm Nov 1, 2013 5:58pm
Quoting maflip
IC Markets is too slow 420ms really!!!??? What the heck is this... What kind of servers to they run there... Maybe they are still on dial up?! {image}
Might want to look at your vps setup my friend.
This is my result from Beeks NY Windows 2012 vps.
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  • #462
  • Nov 1, 2013 7:57pm Nov 1, 2013 7:57pm
Quoting jonpearce
{quote} Might want to look at your vps setup my friend. This is my result from Beeks NY Windows 2012 vps. {image}
I'm not on VPS, VPS is naturally faster because it's closer to the IC Markets server in New York. They might have some routing issues from Australia going to New York servers that is causing this slow latency. Their Demo server when I tested it is faster than their live server it's the same as your result there.
  • #463
  • Nov 1, 2013 8:11pm Nov 1, 2013 8:11pm
Quoting maflip
{quote} I'm not on VPS, VPS is naturally faster because it's closer to the IC Markets server in New York. They might have some routing issues from Australia going to New York servers that is causing this slow latency. Their Demo server when I tested it is faster than their live server it's the same as your result there.
Well that would explain it. Obviously the slower results you posted are due to the latency between your location and the NY4 data center. If you are in Australia as I am, the results you posted are actually damn good given the distance between AU and NY.

Running Expat test on a demo feed is a waste of time. The demo feed used by a lot of brokers is a generic feed and the server can be anywhere. Don't assume that because a brokers live account feed comes from NY4 that the demo feed comes from the same location, in a lot of cases it doesn't.
  • #464
  • Nov 1, 2013 9:49pm Nov 1, 2013 9:49pm
Jon's got it; Australia to NY, where the trade server is located, is definitely going to have considerable latency/ping times. This is a clientside problem, not a serverside one.

So far as posting latency goes, it's definitely important to keep in mind your geographic proximity to the trade server. Further, when posting latency tests, be sure to disclose your location and set up so we can accurately gauge whether there's an issue on the broker's end, or on your own.
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  • #465
  • Nov 1, 2013 9:58pm Nov 1, 2013 9:58pm
Quoting jonpearce
{quote} Well that would explain it. Obviously the slower results you posted are due to the latency between your location and the NY4 data center. If you are in Australia as I am, the results you posted are actually damn good given the distance between AU and NY. Running Expat test on a demo feed is a waste of time. The demo feed used by a lot of brokers is a generic feed and the server can be anywhere. Don't assume that because a brokers live account feed comes from NY4 that the demo feed comes from the same location, in a lot of cases it doesn't....
I used to trade with ForexFS (Also located in Australia) and it's a lot faster than ICMarkets, the only reason I switched to ICMarkets is due to their low spread. I'm telling you they have a data connection issue there or something maybe they are overloaded too much clients. They need to do something upgrade to a fiber optic cable or something. At some point I would not even get any feed on my charts the candle stick would just hang there not doing anything.

I'm going to try signing up with Pepperstone hopefully they have a faster connection. According to your website http://www.hftgroupfx.com/ and https://pepperstone.com/mt4-forex-tr...mt4-server.php they have a fiber optic connection globally. So I would assume I would never have any problems with them like no chart updates slow sending of orders etc etc like I got in ICMarkets.
  • #466
  • Nov 1, 2013 10:24pm Nov 1, 2013 10:24pm
Quoting Layzars
Jon's got it; Australia to NY, where the trade server is located, is definitely going to have considerable latency/ping times. This is a clientside problem, not a serverside one. So far as posting latency goes, it's definitely important to keep in mind your geographic proximity to the trade server. Further, when posting latency tests, be sure to disclose your location and set up so we can accurately gauge whether there's an issue on the broker's end, or on your own.
Nope not my problem, I even pinged the server from my location and I get a fast response. Here's some of the logs. So it is definitely from the server in Australia going to New York.

Pinging 38.76.4.102 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=81ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=92ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=84ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=86ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=93ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=83ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=81ms TTL=111
Reply from 38.76.4.102: bytes=32 time=81ms TTL=111
  • #467
  • Edited 10:43pm Nov 1, 2013 10:29pm | Edited 10:43pm
Quoting Layzars
Jon's got it; Australia to NY, where the trade server is located, is definitely going to have considerable latency/ping times. This is a clientside problem, not a serverside one. So far as posting latency goes, it's definitely important to keep in mind your geographic proximity to the trade server. Further, when posting latency tests, be sure to disclose your location and set up so we can accurately gauge whether there's an issue on the broker's end, or on your own.
And here's a trace in detail no problem from my end. So nahhh, the problem is NOT clientside. I average 80ms communicating with the server. So the problem is after the server receives the request and the response time it takes to respond to the request. I get there fast so it's definitely not me.


Tracing route to 38.76.4.102 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 6 ms 3 ms 4 ms 38.76.4.102
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 13 ms 18 ms 12 ms tge7-4.whtrca4801h.socal.rr.com [76.166.2.113]
4 22 ms 19 ms 19 ms tge0-9-0-13.lamrcadq01r.socal.rr.com [72.129.10.6]
5 27 ms 24 ms 15 ms agg28.lsancarc01r.socal.rr.com [72.129.9.0]
6 18 ms 16 ms 18 ms bu-ether16.lsancarc0yw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.109.6.102]
7 25 ms 18 ms 41 ms 107.14.17.248
8 43 ms 24 ms 23 ms v217.core1.lax2.he.net [216.218.223.233]
9 23 ms 18 ms 24 ms 10gigabitethernet2-1.core1.lax1.he.net [72.52.92.121]
10 87 ms 79 ms 82 ms 10gigabitethernet10-8.core1.nyc4.he.net [72.52.92.225]
11 94 ms 93 ms 80 ms 10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.nyc5.he.net [184.105.213.218]
12 79 ms 84 ms 84 ms lightower-fiber-networks.10gigabitethernet3-2.core1.nyc5.he.net [216.66.50.106]
13 90 ms 92 ms 80 ms xe-8-3-0.nycmnyzrj91.lightower.net [72.22.160.154]
14 85 ms 83 ms 81 ms ae2-jrcynj67j41.lightower.net [72.22.160.175]
15 86 ms 83 ms 102 ms ae1-whwknjanj41.lightower.net [72.22.160.176]
16 82 ms 90 ms 79 ms 72.22.185.178
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 82 ms 82 ms 82 ms 38.76.4.102

Trace complete.
  • #468
  • Nov 1, 2013 11:00pm Nov 1, 2013 11:00pm
Good to know maflip; at first glance given your trace it does seem that there might be some routing issues from Australia -> NY. Will look into it.
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  • #469
  • Nov 1, 2013 11:04pm Nov 1, 2013 11:04pm
Quoting Layzars
Good to know maflip; at first glance given your trace it does seem that there might be some routing issues from Australia -> NY. Will look into it.
Ok, cool, not trying to bash IC Market's I was actually happy to be with them AT FIRST then latency problems starts to arise, charts sometimes do not update. I opened a ticket with them hopefully they can do something about it. However, I don't think this is something that will be fixed overnight.
  • #470
  • Nov 2, 2013 1:30am Nov 2, 2013 1:30am
It has already been suggested to use a VPS close to the trading servers, such as Beeks or CNS. mt4 is already slow even with automatic execution, and it would be even slower if any added latency is there and/or using manual execution.

GoMarkets tried to host their trading servers in Australia a few years ago and it was nothing but problems with connectivity, platform freezes, etc. This is why almost all [STP/ECN] forex brokers will have their main trading servers near New York City or London, even if their corporate jurisdiction is elsewhere.

This may change, and perhaps Sydney will be an FX hub one day (server-speaking). Until then, you will continue to get increased latency issues from time to time if you trade directly from an Australian-based computer ( especially with mt4), regardless of the broker you use.
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  • #471
  • Nov 21, 2013 5:54am Nov 21, 2013 5:54am
is there some way to decrease commission paid to IC MARKETS?

right now I am paying 5.5 per lot, which I think is too much (as I am a scalper)
One PIP at a time-My system is automated and now I have ample time
  • #472
  • Nov 21, 2013 6:01am Nov 21, 2013 6:01am
Quoting 3piper
is there some way to decrease commission paid to IC MARKETS? right now I am paying 5.5 per lot, which I think is too much (as I am a scalper)
$5.50 per lot is the best you will get with IC Markets or comparable Aussie brokers unless you are trading large volume (around 5000 lots per month) and deal with them directly.
  • #473
  • Nov 21, 2013 8:53am Nov 21, 2013 8:53am
Why not try FxOPEN AU (different from FXOPEN NZ) or Armada Markets?

FXOPEN AU offers 3.6 per rt notional, and armada markets offers 4 per rt notional.

After accounting for notional (assuming EUR to USD = 1.35 and you're account is USD denominated), you pay 4.86 per rt for fxopen AU and 5.4 per rt for armada. All this is before discount.

Please contact me at [email protected] or skype me iwillsurvive100 to get a discount. I can offer 15% discount for fxopen AU and 5% for armada markets.

Cheers
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  • #474
  • Nov 21, 2013 4:22pm Nov 21, 2013 4:22pm
Quoting 3piper
is there some way to decrease commission paid to IC MARKETS? right now I am paying 5.5 per lot, which I think is too much (as I am a scalper)
but how 5.5 per lot
it's just 3.5 / 3
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  • #475
  • Nov 21, 2013 4:34pm Nov 21, 2013 4:34pm
Quoting Royal Trader
{quote} but how 5.5 per lot it's just 3.5 / 3 {image}

Those figures refer to 'per side' ie. $3.50 to open, $3.50 to close in the case of the True ECN account. So a total of $7.00.
That's why I quote figures as 'per lot r/t' (round trip) which means the total commission paid for the trade (open and close).
  • #476
  • Nov 21, 2013 5:36pm Nov 21, 2013 5:36pm
Quoting Royal Trader
{quote} but how 5.5 per lot it's just 3.5 / 3 {image}
This is one way charge, for selling and buying its charged 7$
One PIP at a time-My system is automated and now I have ample time
  • #477
  • Nov 21, 2013 7:27pm Nov 21, 2013 7:27pm
Quoting jonpearce
{quote} Those figures refer to 'per side' ie. $3.50 to open, $3.50 to close in the case of the True ECN account. So a total of $7.00. That's why I quote figures as 'per lot r/t' (round trip) which means the total commission paid for the trade (open and close).
Quoting 3piper
{quote} This is one way charge, for selling and buying its charged 7$
So
$7 for the MT4 true ecn
and
$6 for the C trader

ooh too much
  • #478
  • Nov 21, 2013 9:28pm Nov 21, 2013 9:28pm
Quoting Royal Trader
{quote} {quote} So $7 for the MT4 true ecn and $6 for the C trader ooh too much
You are paying $5.50 per lot for the True ECN account so you know you are receiving a good discount.
A discounted commission rate of $5.50 per lot r/t (27.5 per million) is available for cTrader via HFT Group IB.
  • #479
  • Nov 21, 2013 10:14pm Nov 21, 2013 10:14pm
Quoting jonpearce
{quote} You are paying $5.50 per lot for the True ECN account so you know you are receiving a good discount. A discounted commission rate of $5.50 per lot r/t (27.5 per million) is available for cTrader via HFT Group IB.

Ah (27.5 per million) are so good ^^
because i'm a scalper with a large volume trading.
  • #480
  • Nov 24, 2013 12:08pm Nov 24, 2013 12:08pm
For those of us packing loonies, CAD denominated accounts are now available at IC Markets.
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