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  • #59,121
  • Sep 16, 2013 2:58am Sep 16, 2013 2:58am
Quoting loeil
{quote} No need to shouting, I have traded by PVSRA and waiting the run for profits for 2 months now, like many other users! Sorry but I really don't believe that MMs preparing 2 months for running for profits
There's nothing funny about carrying a DD for months..
It is possible to make large sums trading, small losses, large wins
  • #59,122
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:00am Sep 16, 2013 3:00am
Quoting DmitryFX
Because I have got the confirmation of usability of my idea I would like to start the discussion about it here. May be together we will be able to make it even better. Hope SonicDeejay will not be against of it So, here we go... Trend Friendly position building in accordance with PVSRA (Price Volume Support Resistance Analyzing) Inputs: 1-Analyzing pairs: EURUSD, GBPUSD, AUDUSD, USDJPY, USDCHF. СAD has less volatility so not so interesting. NZD mostly very correlated with AUD but has bigger spread, so no reason spent time on it. Very often...
I like your idea very much. BTW, the second example (GJ) is wrong IMO. I want to try your system, so could you share those 2 indicators, please? Thank you very much.
Regards
Life is climbing
  • #59,123
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:01am Sep 16, 2013 3:01am
Quoting marvas
{quote} Remember for all the times PVSRA has worked you've been praising it. In this instance, you've possibly overtraded or jumped the gun too early. Now your not happy with the system and jumping ship to another one. Jack of all trades master at none. Personally if I was you, I'd analyse the mistakes and not make the same ones next time..! that's my two pence.. For me PVSRA is fantastic Most importantly I thank sonic, TAH and islander for their priceless contribution to the thread.
This style of trading obviously has its perks...But to effectively survive, you'd have to trade relatively SMALL lots...This effectively drops the ROI...This style is definitely not for everyone.. If you had a large stash and not overly interested in large returns...i guess this style could work for you..IMHO..
It is possible to make large sums trading, small losses, large wins
  • #59,124
  • Edited 3:15am Sep 16, 2013 3:02am | Edited 3:15am
Quoting Dr.Phoenix
{quote} Dmitry, is it useless or useful? Should we try understanding it? The question you are trying to answer is WHEN to enter into the market. The problem is that all the indicators, which are derivatives from price, are hardly fit to that. I am now finding a solution in the volume field, using the 1H and 4H TFs.
For me it was useless! May be somebody will find it useful. If say by true I don't see the reason to use it. Everything is on chart already.
I am using Oscillators and usually they are telling about possible reversal before it will happen. And I don't use use them alone, only in confluence with other parts of analyzing.
Everything is possible!!! Step by Step...
  • #59,125
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:03am Sep 16, 2013 3:03am
UJ:

Those of you monitoring Islander's method, here is a Sonic R. short setup......
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  • #59,126
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:05am Sep 16, 2013 3:05am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Give Me Access to Edit Post #1! revoli, You, Islander, myself.....and so many others that are willing to post illustrations of their viewpoints are what makes this thread so educational. We all support Sonic's "...sharing is caring..." philosophy by doing this. And the rewards are that we not only help others, but sometimes that comes right back to help us! May I suggest that you, and that all serious Sonicers that are fed up with the repetition of elementary questions we suffer from, post appeals to Sonic to open Post #1 to me for some...

I think the solution is a PVSRA thread...The thread started with a trend-following system....now we have PVSRA, which isn't...and the 3 dragons (another trend-following setup)...This thread is already too packed..it might be time to break away..
It is possible to make large sums trading, small losses, large wins
  • #59,127
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:06am Sep 16, 2013 3:06am
Quoting traderathome
You guys are becoming indicator junkies,......again! How many times does it have to be said! You know what? I'm not going to say it again this time. You all know better, or at least you should. Just keep it off the thread, please, because that is not what the Sonic R. System is about and you all know it. If anyone here is convinced a grouping of additional indicators is going to more accurately "predict" what is going to happen to price, they should start their own thread. I am sure Sonicdeejay will second this sentiment.
If I am correct your post addressed to me? Then ok. No problem. I will do it. I am just surprised why you are prefer to suffer such kind DD instead of try to find the way to prevent it?
Everything is possible!!! Step by Step...
  • #59,128
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:09am Sep 16, 2013 3:09am
Quoting traderathome
You guys are becoming indicator junkies,......again! How many times does it have to be said! You know what? I'm not going to say it again this time. You all know better, or at least you should. Just keep it off the thread, please, because that is not what the Sonic R. System is about and you all know it. If anyone here is convinced a grouping of additional indicators is going to more accurately "predict" what is going to happen to price, they should start their own thread. I am sure Sonicdeejay will second this sentiment.
Sorry Tah... just wanted to share something I thought may be relevant and helpful..... but I am still learning and don't have much to share with you guys.
Mouth is now closed.
  • #59,129
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:09am Sep 16, 2013 3:09am
Quoting Splink
{quote} I like your idea very much. BTW, the second example (GJ) is wrong IMO. I want to try your system, so could you share those 2 indicators, please? Thank you very much. Regards
Yes, you are right! My mistake FIXed it!
%R and FI are standard indicators of MT4.
Everything is possible!!! Step by Step...
  • #59,130
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:15am Sep 16, 2013 3:15am
Quoting traderathome
You guys are becoming indicator junkies,......again! How many times does it have to be said! You know what? I'm not going to say it again this time. You all know better, or at least you should. Just keep it off the thread, please, because that is not what the Sonic R. System is about and you all know it. If anyone here is convinced a grouping of additional indicators is going to more accurately "predict" what is going to happen to price, they should start their own thread. I am sure Sonicdeejay will second this sentiment.

we're not like you who genius with PVSR only.
  • #59,131
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:17am Sep 16, 2013 3:17am
Quoting traderathome
UJ: Those of you monitoring Islander's method, here is a Sonic R. short setup...... {image}
And my first head shot here. I just apply it from this week and still learning about this.

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Keep learning until you die :-)
  • #59,132
  • Edited 3:34am Sep 16, 2013 3:18am | Edited 3:34am
Quoting DmitryFX
{quote} If I am correct your post addressed to me? Then ok. No problem. I will do it. I am just surprised why you are prefer to suffer such kind DD instead of try to find the way to prevent it?
What is important, what this thread is about, is developing the skill to trade profitably using price, volume, and S&R. The Dragon (even the Trend added later) are secondary, but they serve the purpose. As Sonic has said, "let the dragon and PA show the way..." etc. This thread was not started to teach traders to become slaves to indicators, expecting indicators to be reliant and therefore to not learn the skills they need to survive.

All indicators and grouping of indicators will work sometimes and will fail the trader sometimes. In the end, overall, they are no better than a trader that has learned about price action and S&R, and "....a little bit of volume" as Sonic has said.

At this thread, we want traders to trash the indicators and develop the skill of reading price action and S&R and have an appreciation for the fact that taking into account even plain Jane forex volume can be very effective in analysis, adding some visibility in a way that no other indicator can.

There are many threads on Forex Factory that are more indicator intensive than here. Why are they not as successful? Even PVSRA is a form of analysis that uses only the same: price action, volume and S&R! Look how effective it is! Draw Downs? These are not the fault of PVSRA, but of voluntarily making entries against the current trend. That would be the first thing to look into. Not adding more indicators.
  • #59,133
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:29am Sep 16, 2013 3:29am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} What is important, what this thread is about, is developing the skill to trade profitably using price, volume, and S&R. The Dragon (even the Trend added later) are secondary, but they serve the purpose. As Sonic has said, "let the dragon and PA show the way..." etc. This thread was not started to teach traders to become slaves to indicators, expecting indicators to be reliant and therefore to not learn the skills they need to survive. All indicators and grouping of indicators will work sometimes and will fail the trader sometimes. In the...
if I will suffer a loss with PVSRA. I can't blame you because you have disclaimer. lol
We add indicator to make it clear the market sentiments. we're not pro like you who read with volume analysis.
  • #59,134
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:38am Sep 16, 2013 3:38am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} What is important, what this thread is about, is developing the skill to trade profitably using price, volume, and S&R. The Dragon (even the Trend added later) are secondary, but they serve the purpose. As Sonic has said, "let the dragon and PA show the way..." etc. This thread was not started to teach traders to become slaves to indicators, expecting indicators to be reliant and therefore to not learn the skills they need to survive. All indicators and grouping of indicators will work sometimes and will fail the trader sometimes. In the...
As I see you did not get my idea. For some reason you decided my system indicators based. You are totally wrong!!!
Its based on price action. This 2 indis just helping to find better momentum to start building position. As well as idea of use EMA89 as border of range to place pending orders. I think it can be very good way to prevent too deep DD.
Everything is possible!!! Step by Step...
  • #59,135
  • Edited 3:49am Sep 16, 2013 3:38am | Edited 3:49am
Quoting faststare08
{quote} if I suffer loss with PVSRA. I can't blame you because you have disclaimer. lol We add indicator to make it clear the market sentiments. we're not pro like you who read with volume analysis.
I am not "pro" and I have suffered losses too. What trader does not? Ok, now that we are past that item, ask yourself this. Do you want to be dependent on indicators to "tell you what is going to happen"?

If so, you do not belong here. Furthermore, the odds are you will fail. No indicator or combination of indicators can divine the intent of the market players: how they will move prices, when they will move prices, nor how far they will move prices. Period! If you believe otherwise, there is nothing I nor anyone else can say to you to save you from yourself.

Sonicdeeyjay has a very successful thread because his method of Classics is elegantly simple. The analysis PVSRA has come to be, and it too is elegantly simple and is intended to better qualify the Scout trade that Sonic later introduced. Sonicers can use Scouts and/or PVSRA as they wish, or simply trade the original Classic trade in the original manner. All is explained thru Post #1.

Additional indicators are not a part of the Sonic R. System. Price, Dragon, Trend, a bit of volume and a good understanding of S&R. This is the Sonic R. System.
  • #59,136
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:43am Sep 16, 2013 3:43am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} I am not "pro" and I have suffered losses too. What trader does not? Ok, now that we are past that item, ask yourself this. Do you want to be dependent on indicators to "tell you what is going to happen"? If so, you do not belong here. Furthermore, you will fail.
I will depend with my tools but I'm not slave of it. like DmitryFX, I'm not just system trader too.
you have good analysis with the market but you fail me as a person. you are too confident with your analysis senior.
  • #59,137
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:47am Sep 16, 2013 3:47am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} I am not "pro" and I have suffered losses too. What trader does not? Ok, now that we are past that item, ask yourself this. Do you want to be dependent on indicators to "tell you what is going to happen"? If so, you do not belong here. Furthermore, the odds are you will fail. No indicator or combination of indicators can divine the intent of the market players: how they will move prices, when they will move prices, nor how far they will move prices. Period! If you believe otherwise, there is nothing I nor anyone else can say to you to...
market is probability game senior. all indicator will fail me but I will see to it by end of the day, I gain more than with my losses.
  • #59,138
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:53am Sep 16, 2013 3:53am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} I am not "pro" and I have suffered losses too. What trader does not? Ok, now that we are past that item, ask yourself this. Do you want to be dependent on indicators to "tell you what is going to happen"? If so, you do not belong here. Furthermore, the odds are you will fail. No indicator or combination of indicators can divine the intent of the market players: how they will move prices, when they will move prices, nor how far they will move prices. Period! If you believe otherwise, there is nothing I nor anyone else can say to you to...
like you said or sonic said, wave is too subjective if it's bearish or bullish. how you can trade with that? If I plant my scouts, I will suffer of large DD or my broker will issue me a margin call before I become profitable. do you will reimburse my money when its gone by the MM?
  • #59,139
  • Edited 4:18am Sep 16, 2013 3:54am | Edited 4:18am
Quoting faststare08
{quote} I will depend with my tools but I'm not slave of it. like DmitryFX, I'm not just system trader too. you have good analysis with the market but you fail me as a person. you are too confident with your analysis senior.
faststare08,

You are going on IGNORE.

I have failed you? You have lost money? Do you know anything about due diligence? Now you are going to make more than you lose? Oh, really? All this from you, that has not posted any of these so called trades of yours! I called you on this before. There is no evidence you have lost or made any money; no evidence you are even a trader! I have no further interest in your posts. They will just be a waste of my time.

Goodbye.

-tah
  • #59,140
  • Sep 16, 2013 3:58am Sep 16, 2013 3:58am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} faststare08, You are going on IGNORE. I have failed you! You have lost money? You are going to make more than you lose? Oh? And you have not posted any of these so called trades of yours! Bogus! Goodbye. -tah
yeah right. why I will post my trades here if it's ignore. besides, if I post my scalp trades, too many to post here. you will get flood of my trades and you will say that its just a spam post. funny senior.
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