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  • #57,381
  • Aug 25, 2013 1:58am Aug 25, 2013 1:58am
Paul

Paul had a impeccable record of picking the winners in football games.
He was able to correctly pick, with 100% success rate, the winners of games of the 2010 World Cup.
His lifetime success record stood at 12 correct out of 14 when he died.
Due to his success in football tipping, an attempt was made to raise US$ 2.0 Bio to set up a hedge fund, with Paul as the only investment decision maker for the fund.

Funny thing was however that Paul had never played football during his live, ever.
Paul had never attended a football game in his life.
Paul had never watched a football game in his life.

Paul was an octopus.
  • #57,382
  • Aug 25, 2013 2:01am Aug 25, 2013 2:01am
Quoting Lucy Furr
Paul Paul had a impeccable record of picking the winners in football games. He was able to correctly pick, with 100% success rate, the winners of games of the 2010 World Cup. His lifetime success record stood at 12 correct out of 14 when he died. Due to his success in football tipping, an attempt was made to raise US$ 2.0 Bio to set up a hedge fund, with Paul as the only investment decision maker for the fund. Funny thing was however that Paul had never played football during his live, ever. Paul had never attended a football game in his life. Paul...
Lucy Furr,

Good one!

This post about Paul the Octopus makes me laugh while I enjoy the sunset at my end.

Thank mate!

regards,
EMMANUEL
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #57,383
  • Aug 25, 2013 2:01am Aug 25, 2013 2:01am
Quoting sonicdeejay
{quote} 1. Bullish Yao Min Bar with big volume.. Why short? 2. Bullish Breakout Bar .. why short..?? {image} Sonic {image}
The answers are simply 1 page back....

1. Bullish Yao Min Bar with big volume.. Why short? PVSRA!

2. Bullish Breakout Bar .. why short..?? PVSRA!

Please remove the 'N' photo, its offensive and racist!
  • #57,384
  • Aug 25, 2013 2:15am Aug 25, 2013 2:15am
Quoting Lucy Furr
Why does PVSRA work? The evidence is right there in our face. Many novice and frustrated experienced traders have been honest and showed their trading results. We see many encouraging results, accounts up ~50,100,200,500% based on the use of PVSRA. Therefore, how can those dumbheads at professional hedge funds then only be making 15~25% a year and be regarded as financial geniuses, and claim to have 'above market returns'? Why are they then also getting paid US$ 100k, or 1 mio, even 10 mio, or even 100 mio in salary and bonuses, when guys with less...

Totally agree with all of this. The funny thing is the actual Sonic R. System is one where you catch the trends and make money on the trends. Sonic R. System and PVRSA are total opposites. Unless you can somehow find PVRSA signals that are in line with current trend (Weekly, D1, H4 dragons) etc.

Sonic R. System itself is very similar to MA crossover system as it is.

There's definitely a lot of money to be made in sideways markets. And there's even more money to be made on the trends IMO.
  • #57,385
  • Aug 25, 2013 2:16am Aug 25, 2013 2:16am
@ Lucy Furr

GM - I am in bed, playing catch-up on my laptop and last night had been thinking about how in the longer term most pairs are range-bound for the majority of the time - for memory I thought 80% of the time in a 500 to 1500 pip (5,000 to 15,000 pipette) range. Then the big moves happen - 2,000 or 3,000 (30,000 pipettes) - as price moves to another trading range. I too was going to check the daily / weekly UJ chart ......so thanks for making a much better job of it than I could have done Now I can go for a coffee....

Regards

Islander
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  • #57,386
  • Edited 3:00am Aug 25, 2013 2:32am | Edited 3:00am
Quoting Lucy Furr
The goal of trading is to maintain your capital to allow you to make money. You want to make sure that you are around for a long time, not just a good time.
I don't use PVSRA or any other methods followed here. I have my own trading curse and misery to deal with .

I certainly have a look sometime to see what positions are 20, 30 + scouts in the red...

But to me your statement is key.
As someone said "There are bold traders, and there are old traders; but there are no old and bold traders"
  • #57,387
  • Aug 25, 2013 2:47am Aug 25, 2013 2:47am
Quoting Lucy Furr
So if you want to use PVSRA as a form of analysis, then you need to understand it's weaknesses and flaws. The strong part of it will take care of itself. Find churning markets, stay out of trending ones.
THIS IS the main string of the post. One should completely know how the PVSRA works to make money in markets. However, it does not mean that the PVSRA is not functional. It is! it will be! But it is risky. if someone is ready to take this risk and suffer drawdown, go ahead. That is it.

I do insist that the play with markets without stop-losses is IMPOSSIBLE. But it is the only my opinion.

Lucy Furr, your post is a statistical true post, but you do forget that the markets do retracements up to 50% in average. It happens almost always. This the point where the positions can be closed even if there is some loss. What about this?
Hunting High and Low
  • #57,388
  • Aug 25, 2013 2:55am Aug 25, 2013 2:55am
Quoting Dr.Phoenix
{quote} Lucy Furr, your post is a statistical true post, but you do forget that the markets do retracements up to 50% in average. It happens almost always. This the point where the positions can be closed even if there is some loss. What about this?
Did I really forget this or you were to lazy to read my prior post?

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...69#post6916069
  • #57,389
  • Aug 25, 2013 3:01am Aug 25, 2013 3:01am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} I don't use PVSRA or any other methods followed here. I have my own trading curse and misery to deal with . I certainly have a look sometime to see what positions are 20, 30 + scouts in the red... But to me the above is key. As someone said "There are bold traders, and there are old traders; but there are no old and bold traders"

Actually it was what a pilot friend once told to me that has proved to be immensely useful for my trading

"It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, rather than the other way around". I think it's extremely applicable to trading.
  • #57,390
  • Aug 25, 2013 3:10am Aug 25, 2013 3:10am
Quoting Lucy Furr
{quote} Did I really forget this or you were to lazy to read my prior post? http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...69#post6916069

I red this post. I read almost all the posts in here.

I mean that the market do local retracements before they go with a trend. Your truth is that these retracements have different "depths". Even if there is the local retracement of 19%, that could be used to be profitable then. The key to use the PVSRA in such conditions is to begin building a position as closer to the retracement extremum as possible.
Hunting High and Low
  • #57,391
  • Aug 25, 2013 3:26am Aug 25, 2013 3:26am
Quoting Lucy Furr
{quote} Actually it was what a pilot friend once told to me that has proved to be immensely useful for my trading "It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, rather than the other way around". I think it's extremely applicable to trading.

If I may digress, I presented this scenario once on some thread on FF:

Bob and Susie have 10,000 to trade with
Bob decides not to trade and puts the 10,000 in a savings account
Susie decides to earnestly trade her 10,000
At the end of 1 year, Susie worked her ass off all year to grow the account but she has 100 dollars left in her account, Bob still has the 10,000 and did nothing...
Who is the better trader?

The response was that "Bob still has all his money, but is not a trader so does not count", "Susie lost almost all, but she is a trader and could have made a lot more money than Bob if ....(better skill, better method, more experienced ...)"

... somehow for some people trading is more important than having money and keeping it!
  • #57,392
  • Aug 25, 2013 3:27am Aug 25, 2013 3:27am
Quoting Dr.Phoenix
{quote} I red this post. I read almost all the posts in here. I mean that the market do local retracements before they go with a trend. Your truth is that these retracements have different "depths". Even if there is the local retracement of 19%, that could be used to be profitable then. The key to use the PVSRA in such conditions is to begin building a position as closer to the retracement extremum as possible.
Please show me the "local retracement" in the eurjpy, or the usdjpy in the previous post. These are the 'black swans' that PVSRA has no methods to combat, except to keep averaging and hoping that the account balance will last longer than the trend will. Or hoping that your other trades are profitable, and then you can close them out to help fund the losing trade.

The trouble is that PVSRA is not looking to enter the retracement. Please read the 'unique' rules of the method. It's selling highs in an uptrend, and buying lows in a down trend. Look at your EU chart you posted. How do you handle it if your martingale system for EU to trade higher next week? Are you going to double up and sell 8 units?

PVSRA works in non trending markets, it is an account killer in trending markets.
  • #57,393
  • Aug 25, 2013 3:35am Aug 25, 2013 3:35am

Mr. Lucy may i ask u question about billion dollar a day video , when Richard buy pound he buy it against what , USD Doller or basket of currency .

So does those guys look at all pairs ( majors , mirrors and crosses ) or just the majors pairs .

Finally I am sorry for all sonicers andPVSRA trader since this question isn't related to this topic but Mr. Lucy only active at this topic .

Regard.

  • #57,394
  • Aug 25, 2013 3:42am Aug 25, 2013 3:42am
Quoting Dr.Phoenix
{quote} I red this post. I read almost all the posts in here. I mean that the market do local retracements before they go with a trend. Your truth is that these retracements have different "depths". Even if there is the local retracement of 19%, that could be used to be profitable then. The key to use the PVSRA in such conditions is to begin building a position as closer to the retracement extremum as possible.

Yep, theoretical possible. That would be a perfect world and we would make tons of money without suffering drawdowns.

But practical nobody can tell the future, nobody can tell if the expected retracements will happen soon or not.

The same affects the mentioned advice for trading ranging markets. Do you really think that a forex pair which did range in the past will range in the future? No, market behaviors can change every time, there is no way to select a "good" pair for PVSRA/ building positions.

More important and the only thing you can control is your account, means when to a.) stop adding elements and b.) realize losses if caught in a huge trend.
  • #57,395
  • Aug 25, 2013 3:56am Aug 25, 2013 3:56am
Quoting visler
Mr. Lucy may i ask u question about billion dollar a day video , when Richard buy pound he buy it against what , USD Doller or basket of currency .So does those guys look at all pairs ( majors , mirrors and crosses ) or just the majors pairs .Finally I am sorry for all sonicers andPVSRA trader since this question isn't related to this topic but Mr. Lucy only active at this topic .Regard.

He is buying the 'sweaty betty' against usd....his main role was gbpusd. He would keep an eye on what would be happening in other pairs (mainly usddem) but only if it started to affect his pair

Those days generally everyone was allocated just one major currency each, sometimes they may have a cross trader, or if a cross trade came in from the corporate desk, then they just break it up, and allocate to each desk to cover as they saw fit....with a chief dealer who would take positions in various pairs for tactical or strategic positioning

you may have noticed that no one had any charts to work from...just seat of the pants flow trading, and trying to pick which side had the bulk of the orders, and the screen prices that flicked onto the screen, were only indicative levels....

There was also no constant trading price that FX retails guys have today. FX retail guys today have it way easier than in the old dinosaurs day
  • #57,396
  • Aug 25, 2013 4:38am Aug 25, 2013 4:38am
Quoting Lucy Furr
{quote} Please show me the "local retracement" in the eurjpy, or the usdjpy in the previous post. These are the 'black swans' that PVSRA has no methods to combat, except to keep averaging and hoping that the account balance will last longer than the trend will. Or hoping that your other trades are profitable, and then you can close them out to help fund the losing trade. The trouble is that PVSRA is not looking to enter the retracement. Please read the 'unique' rules of the method. It's selling highs in an uptrend, and buying lows in a down trend....

For the umpteenth time, PVSRA is NOT a trading method/system. It is only a method of study as to
the building sentiment of the mm's.

What you describe is a way of applying the study, and that can be a variety of methods. I understand
you are making a reference to "someone's" personal method of application, but that isn't accurate.

It has been stated over and over and over again, that PVSRA is not a trading method/system.

Everyone here is allowed the freedom to utilize the study in any way they choose, and they have!

You know, if we would all just work together, we could all benefit.

As Ringo says, "peace and love"
  • #57,397
  • Edited 7:16am Aug 25, 2013 5:35am | Edited 7:16am
Quoting Lucy Furr
{quote} Please show me the "local retracement" in the eurjpy, or the usdjpy in the previous post. These are the 'black swans' that PVSRA has no methods to combat, except to keep averaging and hoping that the account balance will last longer than the trend will. Or hoping that your other trades are profitable, and then you can close them out to help fund the losing trade. The trouble is that PVSRA is not looking to enter the retracement. Please read the 'unique' rules of the method. It's selling highs in an uptrend, and buying lows in a down trend....

Please Lucy , stop throw those black swans, long term capital market, you look like you just read those things couple years ago and now its your mantra.

How you define trend one, minute hour, days, months years. Its really depend what is you trading plan, investment horizon,are you trading milliseconds,seconds,minutes, hours,days,months.......
Its also working with trends too I just made example for you how to use with value area, with short term trend. USDCAD.

You still not understand, some people are using pvsra different way, using different methods to enter market.

there are several GRID EA which are doing just selling when go up and buying when go down, and those are more than two years old.
even trading GU, which came down very fast and deep. not seen many commercial EA, which age is so "old", without blow account.
Or not seen many funds which can make positive months every month, several years, before loosing half of they clients money.

I read your earlier post where you said people are genius in hedge funds. Did you read couple months ago ratio of how much HF earnings ratio is compare to they clients. They just taking they clients profits to, they own pockets. That's the case many of them, if I correctly remember it was something like 90/300 , Earnings like 15-30% sucks if trading futures or fx. Many those traders have same kind of background, nice schools etc.. they have learn same way to trade. Read same books etc....


Offcourse there is other kind of examples like D.E Shawn, Jim Simons, Renaissance Technologies.
extra credit J. Doyne Farmer, Norman Packard the prediction company, which try to blow casino with they shoe computers, when they were students.


May I ask you what is your mission here ?

a) f... with people.
b) Egoist
c) Have Just fun
d) try to be an expert
f) Have nothing else to do.
g) Life is learning experience
h) x
i) I have not seen black swan, but they exist. true or false.

Anyhow good link for bechmarking,reports ctas hedge funds, managed acc. etc...
http://www.autumngold.com/
http://www.barclayhedge.com/
  • #57,398
  • Aug 25, 2013 6:49am Aug 25, 2013 6:49am
Quoting traderathome
PVSRA Results for 1st Twenty One Weeks The following are the results of my trading the Sonic R. System using PVSRA to determine if it is a bull or bear market, and then trading the price action I see. Week ending 04/05 1289 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 19 parts (18 parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts. Week ending 04/12 1891 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 28 parts (all parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts. Week ending 04/19 2160 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 31 parts (29 parts winners), averaging 69+ pips...
Hello TAH,

I think your results are amazing!!
Anyvay, are you doing this with proper live account?
  • #57,399
  • Aug 25, 2013 8:26am Aug 25, 2013 8:26am
Quoting Delta1One
{quote} Hi VDT, I understand your point of view, but on the other side I do definitely believe into the mechanical aspect of the charts and the power of algorithms. I'm myself coding VBE on xls and know how coding can bring benefits and save time. My target is at least to find a pack that would generate at least a minimum of profit while I'm taking the time saved to get deep knowledge of the mql4 et mql5 languages to then start coding my own trading process/strategies. Since almost all of the leading financial institutions are now using algorithms...
Why don't you find out if GS now no longer has any floor traders. If they have them, that is your answer. What about UBS, CreditSwiss and other large banks. Waste of money. Good luck to you if you insist otherwise.
  • #57,400
  • Edited 11:06am Aug 25, 2013 8:48am | Edited 11:06am
Lucifer is at it Again.....?

Sonicers,

I can see from some posts here (and lots of "Post Hidden Per Ignore.") that Lucifer must be at it again. Fine. But I myself, thanks to FF IGNORE, do not have to take in the garbage being dumped here.

Let me remind all Sonicers that such posters attempting to detract from PVSRA, a real-time market analysis which is already proven to help traders be successful, do not themselves have any track record of their own to show! And when they use historical PA to make a point, well how many of us could show beautiful trades every day if we posted "Stone Age" after the fact!

If they want to presume to present themselves as any kind of authority on anything, tell them you won't be lead off the path by them until they post their trades real-time in ongoing fashion, to prove their skill and to prove that they are here to help you. WARNING: One does not imply the other!

My dad always said there were those that do and those that only talk about doing. Tell them to post real-time trades, completely annotated to be of educational value, on an ongoing basis. That is the way to separate out all the egotistical or ill-wishing bullshitters from the helpful high hitters.

I keep repeating this, while posting my own trades, and so far not one of them will do it also! There is your proof of fraud. Either they are "good", but really do not care to donate their time to demonstrate to you how to become so, or they aren't even "good" themselves! If they won't comply, put them on "IGNORE".

And let me take this opportunity to commend Islander. He is a trader that has brought his own version of SonicR, traded on M1-M5, to you. He has presented it. He has continued to demonstrate it in an ongoing manner. And he annotates his charts for the purpose of helping to educate others as to what he is doing and why. He is someone who, like my dad said, is a doer. And I do think this thread is made better by the ongoing contribution Islander makes. This is all we ask of those that come here and have a point to make; don't tear down, but contribute more, just like Islander does.

And I applaud the ongoing contribution all Sonicers make when they post their trade entries and exits real-time, very well illustrated and very well explained, no matter how they turn out, because this is the most important part of any thread attempting to help traders be successful. Repetition is the backbone of learning. This is transparency. This is where the rubber meets the road!

For Wise Sonicers,
-tah
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