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  • #825,061
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:00pm Aug 13, 2013 2:00pm
Quoting JeremyWS
{quote} If there is a fixed coupon on a bond trdaing at par (100) then the yield will be the coupon. If the price rises and the coupon is fixed then as a percentage of the price you pay (say 110) the effective yield will be lower, It works better when you think of dividend yields on stocks then apply to bonds.
okay, didn't see that --- much better answer than mine! (duration goes beyond the inverse aspect)
  • #825,062
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:03pm Aug 13, 2013 2:03pm
Quoting Starry
hell who needs trader confirmation im long now all the way up to 1.3550 .....
It is like betting on a full house in a casino
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  • #825,063
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:03pm Aug 13, 2013 2:03pm
Quoting inpatient
This might help. Treasury yields are determined by supply and demand. Treasuries are initially sold at auction by the Treasury Department, which sets a fixed face value and interest rate. If there is a lot of demand, the Treasury bond will go to the highest bidder at a price above the face value. This lowers the yield, because the government will only pay back the face value plus the stated interest rate. If, on the other hand, there is not a lot of demand, then the bidders will...

well said
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  • #825,064
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:08pm Aug 13, 2013 2:08pm
Quoting USD-Bear
{quote} ah I see, you're buying the rate eg selling the bond, all clear, thanks
I have bonds charts up but the software show them as price not yield. people talk about yield i was confused. now it is clear.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #825,065
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:10pm Aug 13, 2013 2:10pm
Quoting 1candlepower
{quote} there's usually more than one factor involved in movements of anything... that's why i asked if anyone's heard anything about the 10yr beyond the retail sls news. i wish there was more of that on these forums .
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This from Finviz.com : you can go to futures then to charts and then to financials. There's all sorts of goodies along the way. I am fond of looking at metals futures and oil futures myself.
something to do..
You can see the futures in 10 years bonds is down today
  • #825,066
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:12pm Aug 13, 2013 2:12pm

Quoting takytto
mini sp500 1708, at the sight of the bulls



Quoting Mr Hatch
I don't have a chart of it, but someone told me that the S&P was ripe. Slight HH, then kaboom. I doubt that s&p translates to e/u coming close to 37xx, but who knows... there's time left.
S&P HH?
  • #825,067
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:16pm Aug 13, 2013 2:16pm
Quoting 1candlepower
{quote} surprised you ask...you seem pretty knowledgeable. anyway, simplest case is treasury bills: you buy them at a discount to face (or par) value, and at maturity (say 3 months), you get back the face value. the difference between your purchase price and what you get back is the "interest" on the money for the initial purchase. the purchase price here is what you pay when you buy them or get on the open market when you sell them if you're a bond trader. that purchase price is what you see on charts. when the price...
plus interest rate
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #825,068
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:28pm Aug 13, 2013 2:28pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} I have bonds charts up but the software show them as price not yield. people talk about yield i was confused. now it is clear.
right, that tricked me too
Don't be a hero. Don't have an ego. Always question yourself
  • #825,069
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:28pm Aug 13, 2013 2:28pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
{quote} {quote} S&P HH?
i hope it either go up or drop.
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #825,070
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:31pm Aug 13, 2013 2:31pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
{quote} {quote} S&P HH?
betting against it, but everything is possible....
Don't be a hero. Don't have an ego. Always question yourself
  • #825,071
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:32pm Aug 13, 2013 2:32pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} Bush left a crash to happen in the first few months of Obama taking office. Obama will do the same.
obama is not bush
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  • #825,072
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:34pm Aug 13, 2013 2:34pm
Quoting USD-Bear
{quote} right, that tricked me too
why the bond price increment is 0.25/32?
ignore wackos and psychos, including myself. But I can't add myself to iggy
  • #825,073
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:38pm Aug 13, 2013 2:38pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} why the bond price increment is 0.25/32?
don't understand what you are asking, interest rate increased so bond prices decreased
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  • #825,074
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:40pm Aug 13, 2013 2:40pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} why the bond price increment is 0.25/32?
US bonds are quoted in 1/32, i.e if you see 95*16/32 that means decimalized that it is 95.50
  • #825,075
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:42pm Aug 13, 2013 2:42pm
Here is a typical quote for a bond
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  • #825,076
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:45pm Aug 13, 2013 2:45pm
Quoting USD-Bear
{quote} don't understand what you are asking, interest rate increased so bond prices decreased
see the price axis.

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  • #825,077
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:47pm Aug 13, 2013 2:47pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} see the price axis. {image}
and it trades 1.3 million a day!!
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  • #825,078
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:49pm Aug 13, 2013 2:49pm
Quoting ffleo
{quote} and it trades 1.3 million a day!!
see Jeremy's answer.
Think that will be 1.3 x par value 1.000
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  • #825,079
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:50pm Aug 13, 2013 2:50pm
I was showing cash bonds on the previous, here is a futures quote like the chart above
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  • #825,080
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:51pm Aug 13, 2013 2:51pm
Quoting USD-Bear
{quote} see Jeremy's answer. Think that will be 1.3 x par value 1.000
As the futs are 100k bonds and there is 1.3mil traded that means notional volume today was 1.3x10^11USD trade today.
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