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  • #56,141
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:50am Aug 13, 2013 2:50am
Is this pulling price down by MM, just after London open?
There is scheduled high impact USD news today, can we expect spike up during the news and then downtrend?
Just my thoughts.

Question to TAH, do you take this for pulling price down by MM or Im wrong?
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  • #56,142
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:52am Aug 13, 2013 2:52am
AJ Short Trade: I have entered shorts #1 and #2, Scouts, on a very speculative basis. PVSRA shows MMs to be bears and they have been driving up the price. This is speculative because they might drive it up higher. If they do, I might add.
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  • #56,143
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:55am Aug 13, 2013 2:55am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} I am not saying your trade is bad. I agree with it. However, there are no, zero, Classic short setups on the chart! {image}
Dear Tah,

Yes, you are right,actually, the other 2 are PVSRA short setup as well, when they were pushed up to higher...thanks for your comment
  • #56,144
  • Aug 13, 2013 2:59am Aug 13, 2013 2:59am
Quoting AndrejSlovak
Is this pulling price down by MM, just after London open? There is scheduled high impact USD news today, can we expect spike up during the news and then downtrend? Just my thoughts. Question to TAH, do you take this for pulling price down by MM or Im wrong? {image}
I see the MMs as bears. Maybe they are getting off to an early start. And yet, maybe there will be a push back up for more shorting at better prices. We can never know.
  • #56,145
  • Aug 13, 2013 3:05am Aug 13, 2013 3:05am
Manipulated Market

I was just thinking......

I planned to open trades via Classics this week. Yet, at this moment, while I did enter one Classic, I have 16 new trade components now running on three different pairs, and only one is a Classic entry. It just seems that no matter how hard I try to get back to Classics, the market is so damn manipulated that the best entries are shown by PVSRA to be elsewhere. Can I ignore that?

Maybe we should change names: Classics to antiques, and Scouts to Commandos!

I'm just kidding. The names are fine. But, while I am trying to be perfectly fair and supportive of Classic entries, PVSRA is showing me better entries elsewhere, most of the time. The one, very good and qualified Classic entry ended up reversing, and right now Scouts are saving it's ass!

-tah
  • #56,146
  • Aug 13, 2013 3:07am Aug 13, 2013 3:07am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} I see the MMs as bears. Maybe they are getting off to an early start. And yet, maybe there will be a push back up for more shorting at better prices. We can never know.
Thank you for your opinion TAH I do apreciate that.
  • #56,147
  • Aug 13, 2013 3:12am Aug 13, 2013 3:12am
Quoting traderathome
Manipulated Market I was just thinking...... I planned to open trades via Classics this week. Yet, at this moment, while I did enter one Classic, I have 16 new trade components now running on three different pairs, and only one is a Classic entry. It just seems that no matter how hard I try to get back to Classics, the market is so damn manipulated that the best entries are shown by PVSRA to be elsewhere. Can I ignore that? Maybe we should change names: Classics to antiques, and Scouts to Commandos! -tah
Market is changing, maybe next month you will have 1 PVSRA and 16 classic ones.
Anyvay I think that PVSRA has heart for building any strategy you want.
  • #56,148
  • Aug 13, 2013 3:13am Aug 13, 2013 3:13am
Quoting traderathome
Manipulated Market I was just thinking...... I planned to open trades via Classics this week. ..... -tah
I agree the MM seem to be targeting the Classic setups to take out stops if you use stops. The PVSRA is the only weapon we have to even the playing field. Low leverage trades will prevail long term as MM seek profits in both long and short positions.
  • #56,149
  • Aug 13, 2013 3:14am Aug 13, 2013 3:14am
GJ entered EP 3 short. These are all scout trades.
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  • #56,150
  • Aug 13, 2013 3:26am Aug 13, 2013 3:26am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} GJ Short Trade: I have added shorts #3 - #10, Scouts, as the MMs (PVSRA bears) pushed the price higher. I intend to continue to add shorts, spaced apart somewhat, if they continue the push higher. They might push the price right back to previous highs, about 75 pips higher, and if they do, I will take whatever advantage of that I can, if I am awake, or with pending orders. I do not have a target yet set for this short trade,.....a beautifully qualified Classic short trade, that has been hijacked by the bear MMs and taken on a position building...
GJ Short Trade: I have added shorts #11 - #14, Scouts. The MMs have a hard, fast drive on to get the price as high as they economically can before the GBP release that is coming out in a few minutes, or maybe more releases later. Makes no difference why. They are bears adding shorts.
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  • #56,151
  • Aug 13, 2013 3:44am Aug 13, 2013 3:44am
this doesn't make sense to me.

if a trader wants to average down till no tomorrow, and doesn't care about the prevalent trend, what's the point of having a trading system?

a good money management system will suffice for an average down strategy.
  • #56,152
  • Aug 13, 2013 3:51am Aug 13, 2013 3:51am
Quoting nathaniel
this doesn't make sense to me. if a trader wants to average down till no tomorrow, and doesn't care about the prevalent trend, what's the point of having a trading system? a good money management system will suffice for an average down strategy.
Don't Put Your Words Into Our Mouths

Who says we average down until no tomorrow? Who says we don't care about the prevalent trend? And what we really care about is what PVSRA is telling us. And we have a good "bank of pips" money management system, too. Doesn't make any sense to you?

Then read these:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...51#post6867151
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...68#post6883868

-tah
  • #56,153
  • Aug 13, 2013 3:56am Aug 13, 2013 3:56am
hi!
I closed my trade in the pair eurjpy that I started yesterday with a gain of 400 pips in 3 scouts. I was waiting to get the operation to see a strong movement of bulls. and immediately saw a classic sonic movement and put my first operation. And today I closed to almost touch the pivot.

I've also added my first position in the GBPJPY USDCAD short and long awhile ago

Not if my entry eurjpy been good although I turned out well, since I'm a newbie and I'm learning
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  • #56,154
  • Aug 13, 2013 4:12am Aug 13, 2013 4:12am
Market Comment, The "Thieves of Wall Street"

I remember a few years back how GJ was often referred to as "The Beast" because of the extreme whipsaw price manipulation that was the norm for it. Well, these days it seems many pairs have adopted that kind of price manipulation. Actually, I believe what has happened is this.

The "Thieves of Wall Street" have so shitted all over their back yard, that a lot less folks come to play there any more. It stinks! So, these thieves have come over to the forex back yard to play more here too, and here they are shitting all over the place, stinking it up also.

You get my meaning. There are less sheep to fleece with their dirty tricks in their back yard because a lot of folks have gotten wise and simply pulled out, so the thieves have increasingly come over here with their dirty tricks. This would explain what I perceive as increased price manipulation in the forex market in recent years.
  • #56,155
  • Aug 13, 2013 4:24am Aug 13, 2013 4:24am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Don't Put Your Words Into Our Mouths Who says we average down until no tomorrow? Who says we don't care about the prevalent trend? And what we really care about is what PVSRA is telling us. And we have a good "bank of pips" money management system, too. Doesn't make any sense to you? Then read these: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...51#post6867151 http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...68#post6883868 -tah
Dear TAH,

let's put the things clear. You (and me, and other guys) add scouts/orders "until no tomorrow" since you have no SL. And you (or me) don't care about the prevalent trend since you are adding orders against the trend the 90% of the time.

We use this system based only in PVSRA, not the trend and without SL. And that can be risky, but it's working atm. But at some point it will hurt our account, that's for sure. It can take 1 week, 1 month, 1 year... but at some point there will be an event causing a big pain, and with this system we have all the chances to suffer it. I guess the point is to win more than we will lose in that point.

Let's stop writing excuses without sense and let's name the things by their name. We trade this way and it's working. You like? Perfect. Wanna join? Perfect. You don't like? Perfect, just don't do it.

Best, Tymedu.
To fail is just an opportunity to learn
  • #56,156
  • Edited 5:07am Aug 13, 2013 4:31am | Edited 5:07am
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} Dear TAH, let's put the things clear. You (and me, and other guys) add scouts/orders "until no tomorrow" since you have no SL. And you (or me) don't care about the prevalent trend since you are adding orders against the trend the 90% of the time. We use this system based only in PVSRA, not the trend and without SL. And that can be risky, but it's working atm. But at some point it will hurt our account, that's for sure. It can take 1 week, 1 month, 1 year... but at some point there will be an event causing a big pain, and with this system...
What I had in mind is this....

Trend-
Yes. I care about the trend, but my "definition" is different. Most look at price going up and say the trend is up, so why are you shorting? I say, the shorting trend is well underway and I am participating.

Adding Until No Tomorrow-
No, not really. Adding only as long as those that are moving the price are adding. That's all.

PVSRA has cast a different light on the world of forex trading. As a result of seeing the market in this different light, we have adopted a completely different Money Management method, and a completely different trading strategy. The world of forex trading is a different world than we saw it. It is round, not flat! Single entry trades with nice comfortable R:R and tight SLs are, as seen in this new light, all just bullshit designed to make us suckers. And the concept of the SL is the biggest item of all on the list of bullshit the market has "endorsed"! Tight or not, you are trying to OUT-GUESS THE F...KING PRICE MANIPULATORS! That, my friends, is the height of folly.

Just go with them. Don't fight them and don't try to out-guess them. Plant your seeds as they plant their seeds, and your Harvest Time will come when their Harvest Time comes. Just...go...with...them!

There is a reason that building according to the results of PVSRA is so effective. It is in essence following a most fundamental strategy: use the enemy's strength against him!

Do you want something that has no "Gotcha!", no possibility of a Perfect Storm that might present you with more than the usual concerns? Well, if that is what you are looking for, ......then get the hell out of trading! (This comment is meant for no person in particular, just for anyone to whom it applies.)

-tah
  • #56,157
  • Aug 13, 2013 4:46am Aug 13, 2013 4:46am
NZDJPY MMs Bear
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  • #56,158
  • Aug 13, 2013 4:56am Aug 13, 2013 4:56am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} What I had in mind is this.... Trend- Yes. I care about the trend, but my "definition" is different. Most look at price going up and say the trend is up, so why are you shorting? I say, the shorting trend is well underway and I am participating. Adding Until No Tomorrow- No, not really. Adding only as long as the F....king MMs add. That's all. PVSRA has cast a different light on the world of forex trading. As a result of seeing the market in this different light, we have adopted a completely different Money Management method, and a completely...
I fully agree, and again you know I support you, but let's name the things properly, just that. Don't mask what are we doing with strange names because that makes no sense.

Again, everybody here can agree or disagree with this, but it's right now our way of trading. If you disagree, that is perfectly normal and the only thing you have to do is not to trade like us. No flame needed, no discussion needed. If we fail, we will fail with or without ur flame guys.

Regarding the "If we enter wish a classic entry it seems like MMs are trying to trap us" sentence, of course they are! WTF do you expect trading in 1 minute and 5 minutes charts? No noise? No spikes? If you want to trade with less noise, you should trade at least in M15-M30 but I recommend H1 or H4 for that. Trading in smalls timeframes you will face a lot of fake breakouts, confusing waves, etc.

And finally the SL "bullshit item". The SL is a tool, is a tool to determine a level when you have to admit you were wrong and you won't blow up you account for that mistake. Now, if you think you are never wrong, the you won't need a SL.
To fail is just an opportunity to learn
  • #56,159
  • Aug 13, 2013 4:57am Aug 13, 2013 4:57am
Closed EJ for 1530 pips and CJ for 1230 pips
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There is no spoon....
  • #56,160
  • Edited 5:26am Aug 13, 2013 5:15am | Edited 5:26am
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} I fully agree, and again you know I support you, but let's name the things properly, just that. Don't mask what are we doing with strange names because that makes no sense. Again, everybody here can agree or disagree with this, but it's right now our way of trading. If you disagree, that is perfectly normal and the only thing you have to do is not to trade like us. No flame needed, no discussion needed. If we fail, we will fail with or without ur flame guys. Regarding the "If we enter wish a classic entry it seems like MMs are trying to...
I Agree, No Masking. Let's Get the Truth Out!

I strongly disagree about the SL. A tool? Man, if it qualifies as a "Tool", then let it be understood it is the tool by which the MMs steal our money. The SL is the legal permission you give to the MMs and your broker to take your money. Can it be said any more clearly? We are never wrong by trading along with the MMs. They never fail to reap their Harvest. We might run out of money to plant seeds before they are finished planting. That does not mean we were wrong. It means that we were planting too heavily, and we might lose the entire crop because of it! The SL has nothing to do with anything but legally permitting strangers to take your crop for their own!

If a trader wants out of a trade, then the trader closes the the trade. No other way makes any sense at all! You see? That word "Wrong", it is just another item on the list of bullshit items, all designed to turn traders into suckers......

"You're wrong to trade without a SL." "You're wrong to add to a trade that is a loser, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!"


...................................Oh, really?

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...68#post6883868

-tah
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