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  • #55,921
  • Aug 9, 2013 3:18pm Aug 9, 2013 3:18pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} jmn5611, Despicable Spamer! jmn5611, You are a lying fraud! Show me where Wyckoff said, "Bull MMs prefer to build below whole SR and bear MMs prefer to build above whole SR", or anything close to that premise foundation of PVSRA! Go ahead, asshole! Do your research and show me! You are despicable! You just made a false accusation and I am calling you on it! And that is the second time you have lied to all of the Sonicers here! I hope Sonic throws you off this thread because you have no purpose here but as a blowhard to toot your own horn,...

Tah , I was thinking that too and did wyckoff use same wolume indicator in his abacuss.
I think GANN was more interested of numbers, and levels
  • #55,922
  • Aug 9, 2013 4:00pm Aug 9, 2013 4:00pm
Hi TAH !

I was thinking if possible that you put into new, updated template PVSRA indicator which will show if MMs is bear or bull, when to buy or sell, incl with SL and TP level?
  • #55,923
  • Aug 9, 2013 4:12pm Aug 9, 2013 4:12pm
Quoting gizma1
Hi TAH ! I was thinking if possible that you put into new, updated template PVSRA indicator which will show if MMs is bear or bull, when to buy or sell, incl with SL and TP level?
Not a bad idea TAH.
Then you could also get it to place the trades and close them when in profit.
Then all I would have to do is spend the money!
  • #55,924
  • Aug 9, 2013 4:29pm Aug 9, 2013 4:29pm
Quoting gizma1
Hi TAH ! I was thinking if possible that you put into new, updated template PVSRA indicator which will show if MMs is bear or bull, when to buy or sell, incl with SL and TP level?
But such kind of system may feeds lazy guys, it encourages more n more ppl share the fruits without thinking and study..

Personally feeling doubt with this idea, sharing should only for the ppl who willing to learn and make contributions.
Contribution make this thread Growth.
  • #55,925
  • Aug 9, 2013 4:51pm Aug 9, 2013 4:51pm
Quoting MichaelKiske
TAH, Do not use your efforts to try to convince the unbelievers ... just ignore them ... Everyone here is old enough to make their own choices ... If the person does not agree with the PVSRA ... simple, just get out and look for another analysis system .... You, and other Sonicers, doing something I've never seen anyone do .... Actually helping other people, and no charge for it. I follow this topic about 2 months ... Hardly put something here, because my English is bad ... then people will not understand what I say .... But I get very sad when...
Congratulations MichaelKiske! Very nice!
insanity: Doing the same thing over... and expecting different results -AE
  • #55,926
  • Aug 9, 2013 7:02pm Aug 9, 2013 7:02pm
Quoting FXRobert
{quote} I trade with PVSRA two months, too. I begin with 500 PLN real acount. After first month really good. My acount 2500 PLN. Last month not good. DD to big. I have now 1200 PLN and I know small profit is better. Be careful
Hum .. Maybe you need to adjust the size of your Lot for a Lot less .... I here use at least 50.000 pips banking ..... To make the calculation is easy, you divide the value of your bankroll by the number of pips ...

For example, a bank with $1.000 usd:
$1.000 / 50.000 pips = 0.02 .... then your lot has to be worth 2 cents each 1 pip ($0.02 per pip)

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Quoting phi1ipp
Great results Michael! My congratulations!

Quoting qFish
{quote} Congratulations MichaelKiske! Very nice!
Thank you very much...
Habe a nice weekend

Sorry my bad English - My native language is Portuguese-BR
  • #55,927
  • Aug 9, 2013 7:41pm Aug 9, 2013 7:41pm
Quoting MichaelKiske
TAH, Do not use your efforts to try to convince the unbelievers ... just ignore them ... Everyone here is old enough to make their own choices ... If the person does not agree with the PVSRA ... simple, just get out and look for another analysis system .... You, and other Sonicers, doing something I've never seen anyone do .... Actually helping other people, and no charge for it. I follow this topic about 2 months ... Hardly put something here, because my English is bad ... then people will not understand what I say .... But I get very sad when...
Hahaha. "This is PVSRAAAA!" Priceless.
insanity: Doing the same thing over... and expecting different results -AE
  • #55,928
  • Aug 9, 2013 9:47pm Aug 9, 2013 9:47pm
Hello TAH and all Sonicer,

I was planning to post my update on the 15th of these month, but since the attack on TAH credibility has again increases so i decided to do it now, BTW TAH my wife was very please reading your advice and she said your an exceptional person to put up with all the NEGATIVITY daily and still serve to help us here.

I know these is still too early to make a conclusion but these never happened to me in my two years of trading. I just wish that i have visited these site earlier on so that what had happened to me would not have occurred.

I hope Sonic could find time to banned all those people because their post are just becoming irritating.

For now these are my other open positions:

ONCE AGAIN THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE CONTRIBUTORS

ONE FOR ALL ALL FOR ONE
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  • #55,929
  • Aug 9, 2013 10:23pm Aug 9, 2013 10:23pm
Dear Tah,

Just please dont stop what you are doing. Ban all these people who are wasting my time reading their post criticizing your trading style. Each have their own, and as long as we are still making money, that is the objective of the trading game, and PVSRA will be the way and the future.

Currently I am a bit busy now. When i have the time i will also try to post more about my trades.

Thanks
  • #55,930
  • Aug 9, 2013 11:59pm Aug 9, 2013 11:59pm
Quoting qFish
{quote} Hahaha. "This is PVSRAAAA!" Priceless.
You're right, it is priceless, considering the great irony is that King Leonaidas got KILLED.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,931
  • Aug 10, 2013 12:01am Aug 10, 2013 12:01am
Quoting forexbert
Dear Tah, Just please dont stop what you are doing. Ban all these people who are wasting my time reading their post criticizing your trading style. Each have their own, and as long as we are still making money, that is the objective of the trading game, and PVSRA will be the way and the future. Currently I am a bit busy now. When i have the time i will also try to post more about my trades. Thanks
You know, you are right, forexbert. Everyone has their own style, and I have done nothing but criticize tah for putting lipstick on a pig. For those of you who like pork, I should leave you be.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,932
  • Aug 10, 2013 12:24am Aug 10, 2013 12:24am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} You know, you are right, forexbert. Everyone has their own style, and I have done nothing but criticize tah for putting lipstick on a pig. For those of you who like pork, I should leave you be.
Seriously buddy you need to get a LIFE. It's Friday night, market has been closed for almost 10 hours and you're still going? If you don't like how Tah is trading then go to another thread. Its that simple!
You must be a kid? Obviously single? Lonely? C'mon man... Go play xbox for a while,have soda, eat a bowl of cereal and go to bed.
I am only replying because I constantly get emails on who is replying to this thread and you have absolutely not added one valuable piece of advice here. If people like to trade sonics way or Tah's way, then let them be. Go find your way and start a thread!
I personally don't trade this method but its always nice to see how other traders trade. If you don't agree with it then there is a tab up top, second to the left that reads Forums. Click on it and go to trading systems. There are over 51 pages of other systems you can go and bomb. When you're done with all those, DON'T come back please.
trading on demo is not trading
  • #55,933
  • Aug 10, 2013 12:44am Aug 10, 2013 12:44am
Quoting enzo2325
{quote} There are over 51 pages of other systems you can go and bomb. When you're done with all those, DON'T come back please.
+1

Personally I think that who can hear have already heard and understand the point from the critic posted by that guy. So that they did an analysis of possible risks to their accounts due to trading in the way that TAH does. I'm sure that this method isn't for unprepared minds and novice traders.
  • #55,934
  • Edited 4:08am Aug 10, 2013 3:51am | Edited 4:08am
Quoting ivonivon
{quote} {image} if someone has floating loss of -200 pips per open position, then their reward should be minimal of 400 pips according to this. so, those who shorts EU at 1.3100, should see 1.2700 as their target. Question is: you sure EU will reach this?
You are referring here to my old post about different Sonic R trading methods +example R/R ratios.

So I'd like to answer this;

No, it might not reach that cause with position building doesn't have any target R/R.
the trade that you are referring (30/70 R/R) was one entry only with SL and TP set permanently. Trade was done with EJ if I remeber correctly. Way of doing this kind of trade is using PVSRA is simple (I'm sorry that I can't include sample chart here, cause I'm on iPhone here), watch for climax candle to form on 15m chart at old S/R zone and go to lower timeframe (I prefer 5m). Wait for PA to make classic Sonic R formation starting from that high/low climax and when second climax candle forms HH or LL (depending if you are long/short) and enter there. SL to about 10pips abowe/below that first climax candle and TP to recent S/R level. This way using PVSRA you can get to enter trade when price is at forming 15m Sonic R waves second lowest point, increasing your R/R ratio to max. Very little loss if wrong and maximum profit for classic setup if right.

So as it has been said many many times here; PVSRA stands for PriceVolumeSupportResistanceANALYSIS! It's your job to find best suited way for you to use it to help with trading successfully. PVSRA IS ANALYSIS, position building is different story; stressless way if you use small enough position size. Classic way with PVSRA is fast, highly reliable and can be done both ways while building bigger position to one way. Example of this was my last trade EU long +GU long even when PVSRA showed that MM's were building short positions as long term (and sorry that I couldn't find time to update when I took profits and started short position building).

I will provide some samples of my trades in near future, when I have time. Still little hectic here now that I returned to my dayjob after two months of vacation A lot of things to solve.
I know the secret...
  • #55,935
  • Aug 10, 2013 4:41am Aug 10, 2013 4:41am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} You know, you are right, forexbert. Everyone has their own style, and I have done nothing but criticize tah for putting lipstick on a pig. For those of you who like pork, I should leave you be.
Life is climbing
  • #55,936
  • Aug 10, 2013 5:05am Aug 10, 2013 5:05am
Quoting Sunbrella
{quote} “To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.” Good news or not, must live together with. On the other hand, tah, your PVSRA system has clearly serious weaknesses and personally, I would not call it a position building strategy in its current form. And this is where Joe is right: by using PVSRA you build positions against the trend instead of using profit generated from an existing position to acquire additional positions. Current form of PVSRA goes against this basic position building principle, locking-in yourself as a result....
The way Professor and many other traders here (inclunding me) build positions against trend, with PVSR Analysis, is so called MM's way. If you would understand the only way that MM's can build positions, you would understand why they only build to opposite direction. You see, it's completely different from us "normal" small traders. We can just buy or sell whenever we want and our broker is responsible for filling the order. Another way of saying this is that our broker might not get their money back, but that is not so simple and I won't go to details in this.

the way that MM's do this is simple; they use different kind of approach. There needs to be enough buying interest for them to enter sell orders and vice versa; only when price is trending up, they can sell and only when price is trending down, they can buy. They can keep price going one direction by placing more orders to trend direction but only buy/sell limits. So if trend is up and people start selling, MM's have orders little lower that buy all those sell orders -> price stalls and only way is up again. This way they keep trend going and use those trend buyers to build their short positions little by little. Only when they are ready for MARKDOWN, they will set so high sell limit orders that small buyers can't buy through them. After that -> price starts moving opposite direction and with very high speed, cause MM's don't start building again to opposite direction straight away. When they start, PVSRA will show this again.

and this is the reason why price keeps slowly going further and further to trend direction before changing direction really fast.

And how I know this? I had oppoturnity to see professional desk at work. Their orders are real time and they can't accuire any positions before there are opposite positions for them to buy in. We small traders provide them these by our brokers. They can have order example "sell EU 10 000 000 at price 1.3300 ect..." And it is being filled little by little when smaller traders still continue buying. Example smaller buy order 100 000 EU would drop their remaining order to 9 900 000. That is where we see PVSRA happening -> volume that we see is price changes per candle. Buy order in (100 000) price moves up -> bigger sell limit takes these -> price falls back down. Only after bigger sell order becomes fully filled -> price can continue up. If the order newer gets filled completely -> only way for price to go is down -> trend change (MARKDOWN phase). Then they just wait and place more limit sell orders lower and lower when price goes lower -> keeps price going lower with these caps.

And remember that same time that they do this, they also do the opposite allready
I know the secret...
  • #55,937
  • Edited 5:48am Aug 10, 2013 5:33am | Edited 5:48am
Quoting JRissa
.... And how I know this? I had oppoturnity to see professional desk at work. Their orders are real time and they can't accuire any positions before there are opposite positions for them to buy in. We small traders provide them these by our brokers. They can have order example "sell EU 10 000 000 at price 1.3300 ect..." And it is being filled little by little when smaller traders still continue buying. Example smaller buy order 100 000 EU would drop their remaining order to 9 900 000. That is where we see PVSRA happening -> volume that we see...
I agree.
However, given the fact that institutional desks do not trade pennies, how can they risk carrying a loss for hundreds of pips ? How can "the smart money, the MMs" be so reckless - for example - as to accumulate a huge short position as the price goes up hundreds and hundreds of pips?
If they are so smart and so manipulative - they should always nudge themselves (by hook and by crook) on the correct side of the trend...
Give it some thoughts... the devil is in the details.
  • #55,938
  • Aug 10, 2013 5:34am Aug 10, 2013 5:34am
Thanks Sonic and TAH. I got more than 200 pips on NZD/USD in Ied Mubarak.
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  • #55,939
  • Aug 10, 2013 5:37am Aug 10, 2013 5:37am
P/L on chart is now fixed and accurately reflects my true DD.

EU: Currently 34 short scouts opened (totaling 0.38 lots) DD of -8.4%
AU: Currently 4 short scouts opened (totaling 0.04 lots) DD of -0.8%

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  • #55,940
  • Aug 10, 2013 5:47am Aug 10, 2013 5:47am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} I agree. However, given the fact that institutional desks do not trade pennies, how can they risk carrying a loss for hundreds of pips ? How can "the smart money" be so reckless - for example - as to accumulate a huge short position as the price goes up hundreds and hundreds of pips? Give it some thoughts... the devil is in the details.
The answer is; Virtual money. Period.

Professor TAH posted about this months ago;
Term MM = market maker/manipulator with endless pockets. Big bank creates virtual credit to one's account -> by using there virtual credits, one can make orders -> there is no limit or regulation in this virtual credit amount, so -> one has enough power behind to reverse PA direction when wanted. After there is enough profit -> virtual money is marked as payd back and nobody knows it ever existed.

So basically, MM's can newer lose. They can allways average as much as they want.

best way for us, is to follow MM's or use those trend supporting orders (found with PVSRA) to get into great Sonic R trades.
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