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  • #823,261
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:19pm Aug 8, 2013 4:19pm
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} I can do that, and please, feel free to give me your opinions. On the chart you see we tapped 1.4 which was denied by a gravestone candle, suggesting sellers stepped in, or stops where hit at that level. Being that on the next hour, the bears didn't really do much damage, I'm thinking it's stops- which is odd, because it wasn't late in the day, so you would think if bears really wanted it, they'd have jumped in considering they're still at work. We have been making LH and LL though since the gravestone, so bears are still around - at least...
So where does that leave us? Nobody really cares about 1.4? Is there a bigger picture? I think bulls and bears want 1.4, bulls need it to reload, bears need it to sell high....so why isn't this level going nuts right now? Consolidation will point to bulls reloading, whereas a move down should obviously point to bears getting their high....

I've simply chosen a team. I'm not seeing much of either right now.

I could be wrong.
  • #823,262
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:19pm Aug 8, 2013 4:19pm
Quoting inpatient
{quote} We see this the same Stu Effex, glad someone can remain fair, balanced, and can read. You know with the people we have on this thread we could actually have something quite positive but instead we have bitterness and dick measuring too often. Attila is correct about the superiority thing. Look at the Aussie and cartoons thread. Daddy Bear and others Forex Alien etc in that thread actually try to discover things, answer questions as to why and what is happening. Even trying to work our mathematical correlations between pairs to try and develop...
Yes mate. Here here ! Really can't stand this shit. Especially when someone posts their view / intentions in a clear, concise manner. Some of the posts here require the staff of Bletchley Park to decipher them !
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  • #823,263
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:22pm Aug 8, 2013 4:22pm
Quoting HDA
{quote} @Mr. Hatch: Thank you the reminder. Now I remember you. Please see private message correspondence sent to me from you during that same time Jan 19, 2011. First Private Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: | From: HDA | Sent: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- {quote} Mr. Hatch One of the rules Ive learnt is to never have the need to be accepted. If you can, please delete that post. Thanks I understand why you did it, but the objective...

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  • #823,264
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:22pm Aug 8, 2013 4:22pm
Quoting lebleup
Ok gentlemen. Enough. HDA simply showed how HE trades. He gave detail. What he is looking for to enter, and traded the cycles within his Longer Term strategy. He was NOT telling folks to go short...go long...or whatever. He was showing HIS STYLE of trading! Back off of the attacking. We're all big boys and girls here. Not even the Guru's on CNBC , Bloomberg , or any of the other talking head financial shows call price levels accurately. This man gave an education and a good one at that....
Last post...

Quoting HDA
SELL THE EUR TO 1.3080 and Be very patient in your short - don't not flinch, do not bail out of the trade, hold it to 1.3080 - REGARDLESS of whats going on - HOLD IT! and at each support level on the way down - take sum profit. Remember the price level for the days and weeks to come. SELL and hold to 1.3080 I KNOW - IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE - AND that its BLUE SKIES without any clouds to 1.0417. Lets see what happens - IF IT GETS THERE - However as you all trade your plan, be it a BEAR...
I'm fed up with this shit now...

Man enters, says: "Hello, I have a feed that costs quite some money, but I have a possible trade opportunity for you... every experienced trader chime in an help the newbies." (the last part is not in the quoted post, but remember how he called Gator, Piters and so on to HELP PEOPLE...).

The trade worked in his books, and if you closed the positions, it worked for you as well... if you did what he - with quite convincingly and repeatedly - shouted into the room... then it would not have worked out that well. BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT, for failed setups happen every day.

Somewhere is his later posts - I'm not going to dig it out - he mentioned that you should now "go and find the next supply/demand zone" to trade on your own, as you now have seen how it works... gosh, how would you do it without the expensive feed?

Anyway, probably you'll get another bite, some day.

P.S.: Your technique is awesome, HDA.
  • #823,265
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:26pm Aug 8, 2013 4:26pm
Quoting HDA
{quote} @Mr. Hatch: Thank you the reminder. Now I remember you. Please see private message correspondence sent to me from you during that same time Jan 19, 2011. First Private Message: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To: | From: HDA | Sent: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- {quote} Mr. Hatch One of the rules Ive learnt is to never have the need to be accepted. If you can, please delete that post. Thanks I understand why you did it, but the objective...
A pm is not a post, or am I wrong on that one...? Well anyway, the messenger got shot as usual.

CU around.
  • #823,266
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:27pm Aug 8, 2013 4:27pm
I see what you're saying Mr. Hatch, he did mislead. I'm not sure that was in intentions though
  • #823,267
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:28pm Aug 8, 2013 4:28pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
{quote}I'm not going to dig it out .
I used to have respect for you Mr. Hatch.. we both traveled pretty similar paths, ups and downs and all that... Your attitude is really disheartening, especially every since you think you have "something" and you changed your tone... you don't have anything.. it's been your work and you should enjoy it, but no you have no secret, nothing special, if you ask me..

Now let me ask you this: What do you think you are doing?
  • #823,268
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:32pm Aug 8, 2013 4:32pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
{quote} Last post... {quote} I'm fed up with this shit now... Man enters, says: "Hello, I have a feed that costs quite some money, but I have a possible trade opportunity for you... every experienced trader chime in an help the newbies." (the last part is not in the quoted post, but remember how he called Gator, Piters and so on to HELP PEOPLE...). The trade worked in his books, and if you closed the positions, it worked for you as well... if you did what he - with quite convincingly and repeatedly - shouted into the room... then it would not...

Hi Hatch,

I agree there can be more to these posts than meets the eye to the more naïve newbies but I didn't get the impression that he was trying to promote anything. Certainly not in the open anyway. In the years that HDA has been on the thread is there any evidence that he has made any attempt to lead away any members and sell them anything.

I keep an open mind and see where you are coming from but if people are silly enough to fall into traps then that is on them and will be part of their learning curve.
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  • #823,269
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:33pm Aug 8, 2013 4:33pm
Quoting Pharm0r
I see what you're saying Mr. Hatch, he did mislead. I'm not sure that was in intentions though

You're probably right.
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  • #823,270
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:35pm Aug 8, 2013 4:35pm
I really don't get it.. This is a game of believes and convictions.. its a battle of ideas, and yes it may transpire in the posts we make.. isn't this what's all about? I think it goes up, you think it goes down..and we say it.. so what? the plan was there, was executed, what more is to the story?
  • #823,271
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:36pm Aug 8, 2013 4:36pm
Quoting attila
{quote} I used to have respect for you Mr. Hatch.. we both traveled pretty similar paths, ups and downs and all that... Your attitude is really disheartening, especially every since you think you have "something" and you changed your tone... you don't have anything.. it's been your work and you should enjoy it, but no you have no secret, nothing special, if you ask me.. Now let me ask you this: What do you think you are doing?

Mr. Hatch ... you have changed
  • #823,272
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:38pm Aug 8, 2013 4:38pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
{quote} A pm is not a post, or am I wrong on that one...? Well anyway, the messenger got shot as usual. CU around.
If you want to Police people join a fucking POLICE FORCE. This site is surely for traders who want to chew the fat/ share views / try & glean some information. It is not up to you to Police what is good information & what is bad information. I'm sure everybody here can decide for themselves. Those that can't seriously can't be saved. You may ban me now if you wish ?
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  • #823,273
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:39pm Aug 8, 2013 4:39pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
{quote} Last post... {quote} I'm fed up with this shit now... Man enters, says: "Hello, I have a feed that costs quite some money, but I have a possible trade opportunity for you... every experienced trader chime in an help the newbies." (the last part is not in the quoted post, but remember how he called Gator, Piters and so on to HELP PEOPLE...). The trade worked in his books, and if you closed the positions, it worked for you as well... if you did what he - with quite convincingly and repeatedly - shouted into the room... then it would not...
Mr. Hatch. I am pretty sure HDA was not telling folks directly to short....go long...etc. Ok? Come on now. What would be his benefit to do so? Move the currency pair up and down? Even with HDA's big account (I am assuming), it couldn't budge this FX market even if he multiplied it 20 times. So, what's the point? I am sure he did not intend to mislead. What is it that YOU are concerned about anyway? I'm curious to know. Is it to protect the newbie or those you perceive to be gullible? Just wondering why the ranting. That's all. No harm in asking meant at all. Not that you'd care, I'm sure.
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  • #823,274
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:47pm Aug 8, 2013 4:47pm
@AllyB - hey, you still drinking those captain morgans? having one here for you hope you are well
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  • #823,275
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:48pm Aug 8, 2013 4:48pm
Quoting AllyB
{quote} Mr. Hatch ... you have changed
It's the environment, Ally. You get jumped on, when you do your thing and share trades with entry and exit by someone who says, you cannot pinpoint and only risk 4-5 pips for 40. You get jumped on, if you propose a more sensible approach (that's what I initially did this afternoon).

There was no need to "not back out" in the RUT.

With that, kind regards.
  • #823,276
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:50pm Aug 8, 2013 4:50pm
Quoting HDA
SELL THE EUR TO 1.3080 and Be very patient in your short - don't not flinch, do not bail out of the trade, hold it to 1.3080 - REGARDLESS of whats going on - HOLD IT! and at each support level on the way down - take sum profit. Remember the price level for the days and weeks to come. SELL and hold to 1.3080 I KNOW - IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE - AND that its BLUE SKIES without any clouds to 1.0417. Lets see what happens - IF IT GETS...
OK, the thread has a new guru/master and the thread want to crucify Hatch. I can't believe that I have to defend Hatch.
Silly, Hatch is full of flaws, the list is long to enumerate here, but he has one quality : he tracks BS. And in this case, Hatch is right. I extracted the HDA's first post. In yellow, part of posts that say to every reader : sell the euro to 1.3080.
In red, take partial profits.
In white, neutral part.

What information an average reader will keep after reading this post ?

HDA's intention was surely not to mislead beginners, but Hatch has a point here. You can not trade HDA way without paying for some expensive news feed etc. What would you do when he stops posting ?
That being said I recommend everyone to read HDA's old posts, they are very instructive and make us progress in trading.
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  • #823,277
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:51pm Aug 8, 2013 4:51pm
Quoting Mr. Scott
{quote} Nice trade. Edit: Don't mind stupid indicators, something I was playing around with, no bearing on set up. {image}

it now looks bearish on the day, unlike when i traded it. 3707 looks like a support with 3521.. i actually have it possibly going to 1.5280... ok fantasy land. but before that 1.2918 happens most times. so i will look to short again if all looks ok around 1.3894, no, i am not married to it... the reason i closed is simple, 3894-3707 /2 +- the starting #s... and we get 3800.x ...
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  • #823,278
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:52pm Aug 8, 2013 4:52pm
Days High 3.3410
Days Low 3.3356
  • #823,279
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:52pm Aug 8, 2013 4:52pm
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  • #823,280
  • Aug 8, 2013 4:53pm Aug 8, 2013 4:53pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} If you want to Police people join a fucking POLICE FORCE. This site is surely for traders who want to chew the fat/ share views / try & glean some information. It is not up to you to Police what is good information & what is bad information. I'm sure everybody here can decide for themselves. Those that can't seriously can't be saved. You may ban me now if you wish ?
Quoting attila
{quote} I disagree.. It is not entertainment.. This is very serious business.. I had people PMing me contemplating suicide.. That is not entertainment... Most are here to brush their ego, be all end all to the rest..not sure what they get out of it.. but I can tell you what.. they are no traders.. One more thing for the new and old.. If you follow ANYBODY, you will lose your shirt..there's no ifs and buts about it..
I wish it was. I had no one pm'ing me something as serious as that...

I am going to study EW, which will probably take me forever. Then, I won't have that much time for something as trivial as that.

GL.
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