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  • #55,601
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:18am Aug 7, 2013 11:18am
Quoting futurespeter
{quote} You are a douchebag.
Anyone who destroys a faith in a belief system will be labeled a douche.

I am in good company, Copernicus, and Galileo are among two. You see the numbers, go back to April and see what would have happened to you folk when the EJ ripped 10000 pips against you. I am simply here to provide cautionary tales against averaging down.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,602
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:20am Aug 7, 2013 11:20am
Quoting loeil
{quote} And who has said I have a 1000 dollar account? Why you are so worried? Here are the guys who are taking 5 lot trades, that is what to worried about
Fair enuf, but no one seems to be able to say how small the seeds need to be to be successful. Where is Artful Dodger after he met his margin call? He is not the only one either. You folks need to be specific about how small the seeds should be. If not, I will be here to ask questions about that.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,603
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:22am Aug 7, 2013 11:22am
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} +1

Ty, I am not attacking your priest, I am questioning his methods. How small, exactly, do these seeds need to be to be successful?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,604
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:26am Aug 7, 2013 11:26am
Sometimes it's seems to me that some members are hired by brokers or other MM's to prevent the developing of any profitable or very perspective trading systems.
Or at least to make it as much as possible hard
Everything is possible!!! Step by Step...
  • #55,605
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:28am Aug 7, 2013 11:28am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Anyone who destroys a faith in a belief system will be labeled a douche. I am in good company, Copernicus, and Galileo are among two. You see the numbers, go back to April and see what would have happened to you folk when the EJ ripped 10000 pips against you. I am simply here to provide cautionary tales against averaging down.
its not so much that you are shaking our belief system that you are called a douche as much as you talking in a sardonic, know-it-all manner. i admit that you are almost certain to be right one day, but how about a teensy bit of politeness? youd be surprised how far thatll get you as far as getting people to take your advice is concerned.
  • #55,606
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:30am Aug 7, 2013 11:30am
Quoting DmitryFX
Sometimes it's seems to me that some members are hired by brokers or other MM's to prevent the developing of any profitable or very perspective trading systems. Or at least to make it as much as possible hard
Not really, Ty, for example was online when I made my post to him. He ignored it, most likely because he cannot provide an answer. Give a solid answer, and folks like me go away. Oddly, no one is able to do that.

Again, how small do these seeds need to be to be successful?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,607
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:32am Aug 7, 2013 11:32am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Fair enuf, but no one seems to be able to say how small the seeds need to be to be successful. Where is Artful Dodger after he met his margin call? He is not the only one either. You folks need to be specific about how small the seeds should be. If not, I will be here to ask questions about that.
Actually you can be successful with any seeds, because all depends on your money management. You can start even with 20-30$ but it takes the time to grow up your account. Profit is smaller but is still profit. As bigger your deposit are as higher profit you will get. Nothing else. It's not some kind of rocket science.

And how to definite "successful" ? Example for me, each dollar I get is successful.
Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
  • #55,608
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:32am Aug 7, 2013 11:32am
  •  St3ve
  • | Joined Jan 2013 | Status: Recovering from losses ... | 77 Posts
Quoting jmn5611
go back to April and see what would have happened to you folk when the EJ ripped 10000 pips against you
Did you really take the time and went back to the start of this trend to do a PVSRA?
I doubt, because you won't even be able to see the 1min charts from a time several months ago - and you know this is vital for an in-depth analysis.

I haven't done a PVSR analysis either - so I don't say it is nonesense what you are writing, I just want to point out that just because there were trends of several thousands of pips doesn't mean, we would have traded in the wrong direction and averaged it down ...
  • #55,609
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:33am Aug 7, 2013 11:33am
Quoting mouldy
{quote} its not so much that you are shaking our belief system that you are called a douche as much as you talking in a sardonic, know-it-all manner. i admit that you are almost certain to be right one day, but how about a teensy bit of politeness? youd be surprised how far thatll get you as far as getting people to take your advice is concerned.
I am not the least bit interested in politeness. I am interested in answers. So I will ask you.... how small do these seeds need to be to be successful? I have watched a couple of people blow up on here. Tell the newbies how big should their account be to put on 20 positions in the GU????
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  • #55,610
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:33am Aug 7, 2013 11:33am
Quoting futurespeter
{quote} You are a douchebag.
+2. Freaking leecher. Your money, manage it yourself. Your chart, apply the concept and analyze it yourself or f-off. If you can't handle drawndown, please don't trade.
  • #55,611
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:34am Aug 7, 2013 11:34am
New 4 hour candle showing low volume. This could be the start of a turn around. Tdi 4 hour showing roundness. Lets hope we eat soon
trading on demo is not trading
  • #55,612
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:35am Aug 7, 2013 11:35am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Ty, I am not attacking your priest, I am questioning his methods. How small, exactly, do these seeds need to be to be successful?
"You see the numbers"

Well, I can see the numbers. Not yours of course, because you don't show them (fear maybe, dunno) but I can see my numbers, everybody can see my numbers. Since I started to follow this thread in April I doubled up my account. Yes, it's an small account, just for practice, but I doubled it up with >75% success trades. Here are my numbers, where are yours?

We all got your point, you are against this method. This is fine, I respect you for that. You can agree or disagree with something, but at least you should show some respect, and you are not showing it. You take the minimum opportunity when the price is against us to write garbage. But... once the guys (or me) are making profits, you mysteriously hide in your cave.

You are proving again that you are an immature person, who is happy when other guys are through hard moments, you are enjoying it and that is very sad. I know, you will say you are not, but I know you are. A normal guy, a mature and positive guy, wouldn't act like you act. This is being hard because price is moving hard, and now it's time to show some support, even if you disagree with the method.

But you can't do that! Why? Because you are a bad and sad person. You are not positive for the thread or for other community because you don't have the needed spirit for that. If you were losing money with a bad streak, I would support you and then, after the storm, I will try to give some tips, just tips, not flaming or enjoying the hard moments as you do.

It's proven that you are not welcome in this thread but you keep coming. You don't contribute, you just flame and write garbage and you can't show every single trade (as far as I remember you showed one and it was a total fail).

Let the people do whatever they want to. It's their money, not yours.

Best, Tymedu.
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  • #55,613
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:37am Aug 7, 2013 11:37am
Quoting daxiongxiong
{quote} +2. Freaking leecher. Your money, manage it yourself. Your chart, apply the concept and analyze it yourself or f-off. If you can't handle drawndown, please don't trade.

Again, you have no answer, vagueness is all you can provide. When newbies get margin call, you blame the victim. How small should the seeds be????
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,614
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:40am Aug 7, 2013 11:40am
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} "You see the numbers" Well, I can see the numbers. Not yours of course, because you don't show them (fear maybe, dunno) but I can see my numbers, everybody can see my numbers. Since I started to follow this thread in April I doubled up my account. Yes, it's an small account, just for practice, but I doubled it up with >75% success trades. Here are my numbers, where are yours? We all got your point, you are against this method. This is fine, I respect you for that. You can agree or disagree with something, but at least you should show some...

A very, very elegant non answer, Ty.

Can you get around to answering the question this time?

How small should the seeds be?????
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,615
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:41am Aug 7, 2013 11:41am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Not really, Ty, for example was online when I made my post to him. He ignored it, most likely because he cannot provide an answer. Give a solid answer, and folks like me go away. Oddly, no one is able to do that. Again, how small do these seeds need to be to be successful?
Your question was discussed here MANY MANY MANY times before.
TAH and many others traders have one point of view for this - as I understood it's about 0.01 std lot per 10000 depo.
But they trades very often from 1m charts.
For example me - I am trying to do less trades (no more then 1 per session) from 30m charts and my trades are equal to 0.01 std lot per 1000 depo.
Here are and other systems under developing with different lot size and frequency of trading.
Everything is possible!!! Step by Step...
  • #55,616
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:46am Aug 7, 2013 11:46am
Quoting St3ve
{quote} Did you really take the time and went back to the start of this trend to do a PVSRA? I doubt, because you won't even be able to see the 1min charts from a time several months ago - and you know this is vital for an in-depth analysis. I haven't done a PVSR analysis either - so I don't say it is nonesense what you are writing, I just want to point out that just because there were trends of several thousands of pips doesn't mean, we would have traded in the wrong direction and averaged it down ...

Steve, if you trade small enough, you can average down for the entire year and make a profit. All of those fancy trades they made, I made them too. I did not bother to look at a chart. I just added positions until price can back and into profit. It is not rocket science, not in the least. What gets me is that these people will not acknowledge that you must trade incredibly small relative to account size for this to work. So now we have newbies coming in with 500 dollars and trading dime lots. They will blow out before the quarter is up.

No one will quantify how small you need to trade to be successful for a year.

Do you know why? Because they do not know themselves.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,617
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:48am Aug 7, 2013 11:48am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} A very, very elegant non answer, Ty. Can you get around to answering the question this time? How small should the seeds be?????
For me, you should have at least 40-50k pips bankroll to be able to handle DD. So, let's take as an example a 1k$ account.

1,000/50,000= 0.02$


0.02$ should be your pip value. For small accounts you will have to use microlots to be able to do that.

Now let's put a 5k pips target per month. That is a realistic target if you see the guys results (or TAH's).

0.02$ * 5.000 = 100$


With a 5k pips target, you can achieve a 10% growth, which I think is quite acceptable. I made >22% last month.

I hope this answer is valid for you
To fail is just an opportunity to learn
  • #55,618
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:49am Aug 7, 2013 11:49am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I am not the least bit interested in politeness. I am interested in answers. So I will ask you.... how small do these seeds need to be to be successful? I have watched a couple of people blow up on here. Tell the newbies how big should their account be to put on 20 positions in the GU???? {image}
I really don't understand then why you are not calculating ? I see you attached my chart, so there was 20 trades and about -2600 pips down.

If you have a 1000$ account, your drawdown is 26% - is it ok for you?
If you have a 10 000$ account, your drawdown is 2,6% - is it ok for you?

Find your own drawdown % what you can handle and make your deposit and load up 20 trades. That's so simple!
Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
  • #55,619
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:51am Aug 7, 2013 11:51am
Quoting DmitryFX
{quote} Your question was discussed here MANY MANY MANY times before. TAH and many others traders have one point of view for this - as I understood it's about 0.01 std lot per 10000 depo. But they trades very often from 1m charts. For example me - I am trying to do less trades (no more then 1 per session) from 30m charts and my trades are equal to 0.01 std lot per 1000 depo. Here are and other systems under developing with different lot size and frequency of trading.

Thank you. There you have it newbies. You need 10k to trade DIMES. I calculated this to be a bit higher. 20k to trade DIMES if you are going to last for a year, but hey, 10K will do. Now, after this post, then I have no other gripes.

JUST REMEMBER, TO MAKE THIS METHOD WORK, YOU NEED A TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR ACCOUNT TO TRADE MICRO LOTS.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,620
  • Aug 7, 2013 11:53am Aug 7, 2013 11:53am
Quoting loeil
{quote} I really don't understand then why you are not calculating ? I see you attached my chart, so there was 20 trades and about -2600 pips down. If you have a 1000$ account, your drawdown is 26% - is it ok for you? If you have a 10 000$ account, your drawdown is 2,6% - is it ok for you? Find your own drawdown % what you can handle and make your deposit and load up 20 trades. That's so simple!
What you are missing is the parabolic effect of your drawdown as you continue to add. Others have made this very same error.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
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