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  • #55,341
  • Edited 6:42am Aug 4, 2013 5:53am | Edited 6:42am
Quoting howa61
Hello just a question. You sell the spreadsheet,you keep for yourself...or? Thanks
No void for sale.
Our studies are available to you on the blog. We still have many months of development of this tool.
I remember at all, we develop analysis, made ​​analysis will use to trade. Analysis and trades are two different things.
Trading we do with Sonicr in agreement with analysis.

Now updating last week & new week

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  • #55,342
  • Aug 4, 2013 6:52am Aug 4, 2013 6:52am
Quoting futurespeter
{quote} Good post, qFish. Thank you. {quote} {quote} Are we really interpreting PVSRA correct? I ask because in uptrends the PVSRA indicates that the MM's are most of the time bears and in downtrends PVSRA indicates that the MM's are most of the time bulls. And this stands also for huge up- and downtrends which conflicts with my understanding. Do the MM's really build huge positions over thousands of pips and long time (many month or longer) against the trend (trade what you see)? Where is the Run for Profits? For example the longterm weekly EURAUD...

The TF you look for analyses is important . If you have an upmove of 3000 pips on a weekly TF this doesn't mean that MM's are alle the way up building shorts. On the way up you have several pullbacks where MM's could have been built longs . It's the reason why we look at 1 min TF to see how MM's are acting .

Regards,
  • #55,343
  • Aug 4, 2013 7:16am Aug 4, 2013 7:16am
Quoting sk2
{quote} The TF you look for analyses is important . If you have an upmove of 3000 pips on a weekly TF this doesn't mean that MM's are alle the way up building shorts. On the way up you have several pullbacks where MM's could have been built longs . It's the reason why we look at 1 min TF to see how MM's are acting . Regards,

sk2,

Good. I also thought of this too! If we are looking on a weekly, we would like to see a lot of overlapping candles with lots of wicks to show hidden pullbacks. That's one of the reason I used the H4 to find where PVSRA might have trouble. Anything higher might hide the pullbacks that we could profit from in a weekly chart with long down or up trends.
insanity: Doing the same thing over... and expecting different results -AE
  • #55,344
  • Aug 4, 2013 7:35am Aug 4, 2013 7:35am
Quoting meirk
{quote} Thank you for the detailed explanations I am happy that I get it from you and I am sure that there are others that will learn from it wish you lot of pips
No problem meirk. Thank you for your support! Just keep at it and you will learn and improve. Be pro-active and analyze and show us. Delve down into the M1, then zoom out and see the big picture price, volume, and support/resistance is telling you. Be confident in showing us what you have. You may be wrong, but you won't know if you keep it to yourself. In the end, the future will come, and we all will see what will happen. That's the final confirmation of our analysis.
insanity: Doing the same thing over... and expecting different results -AE
  • #55,345
  • Aug 4, 2013 9:17am Aug 4, 2013 9:17am
PVSRA Results for 1st Eighteen Weeks

The following are the results of my trading the Sonic R. System using PVSRA to determine if it is a bull or bear market, and then trading the price action I see.

Week ending 04/05
1289 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 19 parts (18 parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 04/12
1891 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 28 parts (all parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 04/19
2160 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 31 parts (29 parts winners), averaging 69+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 04/26
2640 pips gained, 6 trades totaling 34 parts (all parts winners), averaging 77+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/03
2530 pips gained, 6 trades totaling 24 parts (23 parts winners), averaging 105+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/10
3050 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 33 parts (all parts winners), averaging 92+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/17
1590 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 16 parts (all parts winners), averaging 99+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/24
3980 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 40 parts (33 parts winners), averaging 99+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/31
4003 pips gained, 5 trades totaling 37 parts (34 parts winners), averaging 108+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 06/07
9813 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 61 parts (53 parts winners), averaging 160+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 06/14
3900 pips gained, 2 trades totaling 15 parts (all parts winners), averaging 260+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 06/21
4620 pips gained, 3 trades totaling 33 parts (all parts winners), averaging 140+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 06/28
12,120 pips gained, 8 trades totaling 86 parts (82 parts winners), averaging 140+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 07/05
3,440 pips gained, 2 trades totaling 22 parts (18 parts winners), averaging 156+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 07/12
14,143 pips gained, 11 trades totaling 125 parts (115 parts winners), averaging 113+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 07/19
215 pips gained, 2 trades totaling 7 parts (all parts winners), averaging 30+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 07/26
1,170 pips gained, 2 trades totaling 25 parts (16 parts winners), averaging 46+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 08/02
10,850 pips gained, 8 trades totaling 102 parts (87 parts winners), averaging 106+ pips per each of all parts

All of these trades, all of the trade parts thereof, were posted real-time right here on the Sonic R. System thread, using crystal clear easy to understand charts and explanations regarding PVSRA reasons for entries, whether Classic or Scout trades.

Eighteen Week Summary

83,404 pips banked.
14,734 pips current draw down (net loss of all open PVSRA trades).
68,670 pips net gain (pips banked plus net loss of all open PVSRA trades).
3,815 pips weekly average net profit (weekly average net profit if all open PVSRA trades instantly closed).

Additional Remarks

I have one open non-PVSRA trade (first entered many months prior to PVSRA) that is down 15,992 pips (EJ short). For this trade to come into profit either the euro needs to weaken or the YEN needs to strengthen, or both. And both are more likely to happen than not. So, it is just a question of time. In any case, if I instantly closed this trade against my PVSRA net gains, I would still have 2,926 pips weekly average net profit over these past eighteen weeks! I doubt there are many traders at ForexFactory that can testify to such success as this, if any at all. I say this not to boast about myself, but about PVSRA. It is an effective real-time market analysis, so effective that it negates the old "truth" advocated by some, that one should never average down. It enables traders to trade the way professional traders do,.......and profit the way they do!

Final Remarks

This has been the third week in a row the market continued it's shakeout of weak hands for some pairs. My plan has remained unchanged. I continued adding to some open trades and opened some new trades. Although I did close more trades than last week, those that are open are still suffering draw downs. So, this "state of affairs" that intimidates traders and tests the validity of PVSRA still has not come to a conclusion.

-tah
  • #55,346
  • Aug 4, 2013 9:42am Aug 4, 2013 9:42am
Quoting loeil
AU - Closed all 9 trade components for 1347 pips gain. {image}
Quoting loeil
{quote} GJ Short Trade: Closed all 16 components for 5203 pips gain. {image} {image}
My results:

Week ending 08/02

6550 pips gained - 25 trades totaling.

89 trades still opened.
Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
  • #55,347
  • Aug 4, 2013 10:10am Aug 4, 2013 10:10am
Quoting Ian V
{quote} The attached CloseAll*** scripts cover every requirement. (***Current refers to the current open chart only.) {file} {file} {file} {file} {file} {file} {file} {file} {file}
Ian V,

Thank you for posting those "CloseAll...." scripts. The idea is to find some example of coding we might incorporate into the new SonicR Trade Levels indicator that will enable the user to simply open the External Inputs window and change an input from "false" to "true" to trigger the close of the trade/all of it's components. This might not be possible from within a Custom Indicator, and only thru such EAs as you have posted, which will come in very handy if that is the case.

-tah
  • #55,348
  • Aug 4, 2013 10:22am Aug 4, 2013 10:22am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Ian V, Thank you for posting those "CloseAll...." scripts. The idea is to find some example of coding we might incorporate into the new SonicR Trade Levels indicator that will enable the user to simply open the External Inputs window and change an input from "false" to "true" to trigger the close of the trade/all of it's components. This might not be possible from within a Custom Indicator, and only thru such EAs as you have posted, which will come in very handy if that is the case. -tah

You do know that there are brokers that allow you to do this very thing, without the need for an indy, or even MT4, right?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,349
  • Aug 4, 2013 10:24am Aug 4, 2013 10:24am
Quoting futurespeter
{quote} Good post, qFish. Thank you. {quote} {quote} Are we really interpreting PVSRA correct? I ask because in uptrends the PVSRA indicates that the MM's are most of the time bears and in downtrends PVSRA indicates that the MM's are most of the time bulls. And this stands also for huge up- and downtrends which conflicts with my understanding. Do the MM's really build huge positions over thousands of pips and long time (many month or longer) against the trend (trade what you see)? Where is the Run for Profits? For example the longterm weekly EURAUD...

Stay on the trail, keep looking at those historical charts, and the potential consequences. That said, the way out of this conundrum is to hope the market stays range bound long enough to get your initial capital out. But, as you can see, eventually, you will blow sky high.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,350
  • Aug 4, 2013 10:32am Aug 4, 2013 10:32am
Quoting Msis125125
So after pump and dump they run for profits? It isn't like MM do they orders. Please both of the yellow highlight was at the news, I assume unemployment claims and non farm. So MM has nothing to do with that. M1 clearly shows MM are BULL loading they short by getting price through whole number. In your analysis there is no half or whole number or quarter number. It is simply based on candles and volumes, don't forget PVSRA works as a combination of this all not just first 3 letters. But then again, I don't want to argue with you, if you think that...

Not really. This method says you short every climax candle above the dragon, buy every climax candle below. Even tah's trades show this clearly. Hell, you could open your platform at random times during the day, and do this. But only if you trade small enough.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,351
  • Aug 4, 2013 10:55am Aug 4, 2013 10:55am
As mentioned earlier, I have also been busy extracing some of the more relevent posts from the three months starting on April 10th - the remainder will follow when time permits.

I hope that these will help in some way to add to your own growing total of banked pips
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Trading Levels with WRBs
  • #55,352
  • Aug 4, 2013 10:59am Aug 4, 2013 10:59am
futurespeter and qFish,

Both of you, and actually all of us Sonicers, need to keep an open mind as we experiment with the PVSRA concept. There is something of great value here. We just need to find the way to do it best. This is like a diamond cutter being given the greatest raw diamond in the world. Now, it is up to the cutter to study, analyze, measure, and do some deep thinking about how to cut it so that the final presentation is the most dazzling that it can be. This could take months.

So, here is a thought provoking chart by qFish. The stated premise of PVSRA is that bull MMs like to build longs below key SR and bear MMs like to build shorts above key SR, and that the two most key of all SRs are the whole and half SRs. Perhaps we need to tweek this stated premise by including the thought that if price is trending higher, the action to look for is what happens below key SR, and if price is trending lower, the action to look for is what happens above key SR. These are the areas for Scouts. In that way, we are attempting to train ourselves to put to most significance to one area of action, or the other, depending on the overall trend. And if price goes into ranging, then we put equal weight on the action in both areas until we see the PA (higher HLs, or lower HLs) that might take price out of ranging, i.e., a Classic setup with previous very notable "stopping" volume and agreeing PA HLs since, leading into the Classic setup.

I know I might not have stated this clearly enough. And in my own mind I recognize that things are easier said than done. What amazes me is that using PVSRA to build positions, even done crappily, results in profits so long as you can last out the MMs price moves. But this is not what we want. This is would not be a well cut diamond. futurespeter is correct in maintaining concern about a catastrophic trend that wipes wrong side position builders out! So, we want to be position building, sure, but with the trend. Not against it!

So, back to the drawing board. We are making headway, though. And that is due to a lot of brains and a lot of experiential knowledge being tossed into the mix.

-tah
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  • #55,353
  • Aug 4, 2013 11:01am Aug 4, 2013 11:01am
Quoting qFish
{quote} Think about it if you were the Big player.
Thanks qFish, well done
Posting Demo charts, mirroring some of them live.
  • #55,354
  • Aug 4, 2013 11:08am Aug 4, 2013 11:08am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Ian V, Thank you for posting those "CloseAll...." scripts. The idea is to find some example of coding we might incorporate into the new SonicR Trade Levels indicator that will enable the user to simply open the External Inputs window and change an input from "false" to "true" to trigger the close of the trade/all of it's components. This might not be possible from within a Custom Indicator, and only thru such EAs as you have posted, which will come in very handy if that is the case. -tah

Here is the better one. It is a SCRIPT, it can be added to the template. When dropping script on to the Template simple change in the option "SymbolALL" to "false" and it will only close current pair, leave it as true and it will close everything as it is.
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File Type: mq4 CloseAllOrders_v4.mq4   5 KB | 425 downloads
There is no spoon....
  • #55,355
  • Aug 4, 2013 11:54am Aug 4, 2013 11:54am
Hi everybody,

I've been reading the thread for a long time and noticed that it's getting more and more volume oriented which isn't bad at all. I'm a huge proponent of the volume base trading. And I'd like to say many thanks to TAH for his tremendous participation to the thread life and instruments (indi) we operate due to his efforts.

But I noticed that for an unknown reason the PVA indi doesn't highlight some significant bars. I attached the picture demonstrating that. From my perspective the bar shows the first occurrence of a weakness in the market followed by distribution phase. Correct me if I'm wrong. I know, you guyz, do daytrading and pay most of your attention to M15 and M1 but I'm more addicted to big TF due to full time job so ...

I know that I should rely in my analysis on my eyes and hands but for beginners that would be really helpful.

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  • #55,356
  • Aug 4, 2013 11:54am Aug 4, 2013 11:54am
Quoting Islander
As mentioned earlier, I have also been busy extracing some of the more relevent posts from the three months starting on April 10th - the remainder will follow when time permits. I hope that these will help in some way to add to your own growing total of banked pips {image}

They will. If nothing else, they will help those with the averaging down bug to mitigate their losses. My hope is that they learn both methods, so that when they see that day when one of their pairs corrects 4000 pips in a single day, they will still have a chance to actually make money with the Three Dragons.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,357
  • Aug 4, 2013 12:13pm Aug 4, 2013 12:13pm
Quoting traderathome
futurespeter is correct in maintaining concern about a catastrophic trend that wipes wrong side position builders out! So, we want to be position building, sure, but with the trend. Not against it! So, back to the drawing board. We are making headway, though. And that is due to a lot of brains and a lot of experiential knowledge being tossed into the mix. -tah {image}
I think he is finally starting to get it, Sonicers!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #55,358
  • Aug 4, 2013 1:34pm Aug 4, 2013 1:34pm
Quoting DmitryFX
I just want to make one "experiment"! EurAud looks like very OB. Also level 1.425 was very strong resistance at weekly charts. Now it's broken, so the possibility of retest is very high. As well very many signals about "bears" activity at 30m charts. So, taking into account all above mentioned i decided to place sell stop orders. Target will be around 1.425 because of it's supports power and on confluence with RWL. {image}
Experiment with EurAud.
I don't like current DD because of this trades - it's about 20%.
My the main mistake was placing orders by every levels instead of place by signals.
Below marked good entries - there were 4 good of them, maximum 6. Good lesson and good example.
Hope current depo will be enough to prevent MC if price will continue to move to the north....
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  • #55,359
  • Aug 4, 2013 1:54pm Aug 4, 2013 1:54pm
Quoting traderathome
futurespeter and qFish, Both of you, and actually all of us Sonicers, need to keep an open mind as we experiment with the PVSRA concept. There is something of great value here. We just need to find the way to do it best. This is like a diamond cutter being given the greatest raw diamond in the world. Now, it is up to the cutter to study, analyze, measure, and do some deep thinking about how to cut it so that the final presentation is the most dazzling that it can be. This could take months. So, here is a thought provoking chart by qFish. The stated...
Hello everyone and sorry for my little english,
in reference to the speech of the possible problems with PVSRA. Looking at the chart from UJ ottobtr 2012 (blue line) to the present. PVRSA how it would work?
I believe taking very costly for building short positions. What could be the solution if you do not build at the same time, long positions? I think the MM's build both long and short positions simultaneously.
Regards, Antonio

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  • #55,360
  • Aug 4, 2013 2:01pm Aug 4, 2013 2:01pm
Quoting phi1ipp
Hi everybody, I've been reading the thread for a long time and noticed that it's getting more and more volume oriented which isn't bad at all. I'm a huge proponent of the volume base trading. And I'd like to say many thanks to TAH for his tremendous participation to the thread life and instruments (indi) we operate due to his efforts. But I noticed that for an unknown reason the PVA indi doesn't highlight some significant bars. I attached the picture demonstrating that. From my perspective the bar shows the first occurrence of a weakness in the...
It's not caused by PVSRA, it's caused by your broker! Read the user notes of PVSRA. Volume and colors depends of how many orders are made in your broker server.
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Whatever is obvious is obviously wrong!"
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