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  • #61
  • Jul 17, 2013 12:02am Jul 17, 2013 12:02am
Quoting akukaya
i am manual check a profitable system, anyone to try code this simple condition below: only use simple ma value 200 and standard trend indicator psar in mt4 EU m15 enter always at open price buy with TP=10 pips when psar dot below the open price and open price >ma200 no SL because it will be grid by every 10 pips with double lot size. Close All when last trade TP=10 pips. No more trades after total win hit 10 times achieved per day. I make a calculation, with small deposit e.g: USD200 can generate about 100% each month any coder want to try?
Hi Akukaya thanks for sharing your idea, have you forward tested this?
  • #62
  • Jul 17, 2013 12:08am Jul 17, 2013 12:08am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting akukaya
i am manual check a profitable system, anyone to try code this simple condition below: only use simple ma value 200 and standard trend indicator psar in mt4 EU m15 enter always at open price buy with TP=10 pips when psar dot below the open price and open price >ma200 no SL because it will be grid by every 10 pips with double lot size. Close All when last trade TP=10 pips. No more trades after total win hit 10 times achieved per day. I make a calculation, with small deposit e.g: USD200 can generate about 100% each month any coder want to try?
Soon or later you will loose all your money by using a martingale scheme ... doesn't matter the strategy.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #63
  • Jul 17, 2013 4:51am Jul 17, 2013 4:51am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} Bull.Bear, You must have great patience and confidence in it to wait from trade 500 to 2100 (approximatively) for the equity curve to start moving away from where it sticked for about 1500 trades!
Thanks. I must be patient because i know it works for FIRST test, this is my 2nd profitable EA. I am no choice to share this out because i cannot figure out what wrong with the result, and i have no time now because of my another project. For this EA, i compare the latest test result with the previous backtesting result, both have the same output, i mean both have the same entry and exit logic, but the price is not tally for both.



Quoting FerruFx
{quote} Soon or later you will loose all your money by using a martingale scheme ... doesn't matter the strategy.
It is true. I experiment this and have tested thousand of EA before, i know it won't work forever even it has been tweaked. But recently i find out and understand how to control the risk, i got to draw the structure, code and make hypothesis test before make a conclusion.
  • #64
  • Jul 17, 2013 5:09am Jul 17, 2013 5:09am
I think a lot of strategies work, but :

1- People are too greedy. If you count on statistics, you now it applies only to a big number of trades. So want to be rich in ten trades ? Don't count on statistics.

2- Money management is bad.

Three points to resolve :

- Strategy
- Risk / reward
- Money management
  • #65
  • Jul 17, 2013 5:25am Jul 17, 2013 5:25am
Quoting IFxRobot
I think a lot of strategies work, but : 1- People are too greedy. If you count on statistics, you now it applies only to a big number of trades. So want to be rich in ten trades ? Don't count on statistics. 2- Money management is bad. Three points to resolve : - Strategy - Risk / reward - Money management
You are right! There is no such things to become a millionaires in one night.

Below are my sharing for a profitable system. It categorize into...
1. Entry exit system: Either is reference or precision
2. Trade management system: Many type of model to product RR in 1.0 to unlimited value.
3. Game management system: Risk control for respective system
4. Quality management system: To avoid low quality trade and search for best point.
5. Portfolio management system: To allocate and diversify a basket of pairs

Each parts of the system have their deep studies, and also it has their rating as well. Basically a system doesn't work for just a basic or common setup, it need to deep inside. So far for all the EA i publish here except my personal EA, it doesn't work. What i mean is one day will blow your account.
  • #66
  • Jul 17, 2013 5:51am Jul 17, 2013 5:51am
What hurts me is anytime i see an count blowing up: i am thinking "It is so stupid ! if i was only flipping a coin with right money management and IF the market is at least pseudo-random, i would have done that FAR BETTER !"

IS IT SO DIFFICULT TO MAKE BETTER THAN FLIPPING A COIN ? That question hurts me !

So the whole strategy must be based, from my point of view, on really viable principles, logicial and mathematical - i include geometry in mathematics, what elsewhere you can read as "having an edge", without thinking at any indicator, or anything else. Then build the code that helps to detect keys things in the strategy and it will work as expected. Never try to "fit" an indicator in your ideas.

The most educated you are (math, logic, software programming, psychology...), the most probable you will be profitable. Read everything !

And if this is a game, probably we have to better know who are our opponents. Banks ? Hedge funds ? Brokers ? ...
  • #67
  • Jul 17, 2013 6:07am Jul 17, 2013 6:07am
Quoting ~bull.bear~
EA Scalping V7. My personal EA. Test from year 2004 to 2006 and 2004 to 2008. DD happens after year 2006. Someone please improve this system. {image} {image} {file}
On a long term basis, i would say try it without any martingale. I see your lots are increasing and drecreasing when you lose.

Retest with a simple constant lot size. And why not after 2008 ?
  • #68
  • Edited 8:26am Jul 17, 2013 6:11am | Edited 8:26am
Quoting akukaya
i am manual check a profitable system, anyone to try code this simple condition below: only use simple ma value 200 and standard trend indicator psar in mt4 EU m15 enter always at open price buy with TP=10 pips when psar dot below the open price and open price >ma200 no SL because it will be grid by every 10 pips with double lot size. Close All when last trade TP=10 pips. No more trades after total win hit 10 times achieved per day. I make a calculation, with small deposit e.g: USD200 can generate about 100% each month any coder want to try?
Is it averaging a losing position ?

Like martingale, you always have a case that will blow your account (long trend without come back).

Typically the problem because you don't know the risk...

REWARD IS NEVER A PROBLEM : EITHER 10 PIPS, OR 1000 PIPS, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE HAPPY !
  • #69
  • Jul 17, 2013 7:08am Jul 17, 2013 7:08am
Quoting IFxRobot
{quote} On a long term basis, i would say try it without any martingale. I see your lots are increasing and drecreasing when you lose. Retest with a simple constant lot size. And why not after 2008 ?
The backtest result you saw is with martingale. I have tried without martingale, it is the same equity curve. I have done some analysis for the system, so there is a reason that it can be applied martingale method. The different is just the final return is more or less.

I think it can be improved, and the RR need to be controlled, in order to have positive value. Maybe i have to change exit rule.

No comment of whether have to backtest after year 2008. I just stop there.
  • #70
  • Jul 17, 2013 9:20am Jul 17, 2013 9:20am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} Soon or later you will loose all your money by using a martingale scheme ... doesn't matter the strategy.
Good to point out that a martingale doesn't change your winning expectancy but "martingale" is not just doubling the lot size each time you lose. It can help enhance winners.

BUT the strategy must be profitable FIRST WITHOUT MARTINGALE.

Martingale is only one momey management style. You can imagine ALL types of money management.
  • #71
  • Jul 17, 2013 10:02am Jul 17, 2013 10:02am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting IFxRobot
... but "martingale" is not just doubling the lot size each time you lose. It can help enhance winners. BUT the strategy must be profitable FIRST WITHOUT MARTINGALE. Martingale is only one momey management style. You can imagine ALL types of money management.
Doesn't mater the martingale type, doesn't mater the lot size multiplier ... Any kind of martingale will give you the exact same final result.

The only case a martingale survive is if you have unlimited funds.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #72
  • Jul 17, 2013 11:50am Jul 17, 2013 11:50am
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} Soon or later you will loose all your money by using a martingale scheme ... doesn't matter the strategy.
in general, i agreed. but could you help me point out single day that can blow the idea . coz i cant find yet
  • #73
  • Jul 17, 2013 5:35pm Jul 17, 2013 5:35pm
Quoting ~bull.bear~
This is Stead V3 EA. Test from year 2004 to 2006 for 1 min time frame. Please note this is decompiler code. {image} {image} {file}
I do not own a decompiler, how can I get a compiled version of this.
Gary
  • #74
  • Jul 18, 2013 12:44am Jul 18, 2013 12:44am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting alpine4133
{quote} I do not own a decompiler, how can I get a compiled version of this.
Are you requesting here on FF to do something illegal ?

Anyway, the new MT4 builds don't allow to run tool from decompiled version.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #75
  • Jul 18, 2013 12:48am Jul 18, 2013 12:48am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting akukaya
{quote} in general, i agreed. but could you help me point out single day that can blow the idea . coz i cant find yet
Any day when you will experience a very long losing streak (that will happen soon or later) ...

There's a lot of threads here on FF discussing about this. Not a single martingale survive in the long term.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #76
  • Edited 9:04am Jul 18, 2013 8:31am | Edited 9:04am
My personal EA.

Backtest results from 1 jan 2013. Before that i am very innacurate : no tick data.

Live for two months. Same results (less lot sizes).

AS you can see, tick data is not accurate before around 3 months.

MT4 uses M1 then M5, then M15, etc... The data is less and less accurate when you go far in the past. So i can't test it further in the past. But looking closely in the past i can see the errors the tester makes. In fact i should have a running script to record every tick. But needs a VPS, costs money, ...

The turtle race.
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  • #77
  • Jul 18, 2013 8:39am Jul 18, 2013 8:39am
Quoting akukaya
{quote} in general, i agreed. but could you help me point out single day that can blow the idea . coz i cant find yet
This is a MATHEMATICAL fact !
  • #78
  • Edited 3:49pm Jul 18, 2013 10:08am | Edited 3:49pm
Quoting ~bull.bear~
EA CyberiaTrader Test from 2004 to ..... Too slow for the test. So i stop it halfway. M30 for GBPUSD. Default setting. Initial capital $500. WTH....the result is amazing! {image} {file}
Seems dead thing...

I will analyse the code to see if something is valuable (a mathematical / logical edge).


Code uses MACD and MA.

I don't believe in MACD.
  • #79
  • Jul 20, 2013 11:15pm Jul 20, 2013 11:15pm
Quoting ~bull.bear~
London breakout EA. My personal EA, backtest from year 2004 to 2008, and the result is shown below. However, the EA has some issue. Now the EA couldn't be turned back into profit after i had done some amendment of the coding for improvement. Please comment and provide your ideas of how to solve this issue. Note: This EA is profitable forever. The RAR file is locked. So please PM me if you are interested, i will send you password. But only selected trader will be taken. {image} {file}
The problem is resolved. So this task is closed.
  • #80
  • Jul 24, 2013 5:11am Jul 24, 2013 5:11am
Quoting tikku
Maybe thats interesting for Genesis Trading System users. Found this EA in another Forum. It works in connection with indicators given in the specific thread. I think it could be usefull if it runs on higher timeframes. Someone will backtest it hopefully {file}
Hi there Tikku,

Can you post also the instructions for this EA?

Thank you
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