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  • #53,561
  • Jul 14, 2013 4:38pm Jul 14, 2013 4:38pm
Quoting figgsey
{quote} Tah & Joe, Many thanks for guys. You are doing a great job there.
figgsey,

Well, yes, I have done a great job. Thank you for that.

But so far, Joe hasn't done anything but talk.

......and stumble his way onto an outdated template which he cannot quantitatively justify staying with! This raises questions......
  • #53,562
  • Jul 14, 2013 4:38pm Jul 14, 2013 4:38pm
Quoting figgsey
{quote} Tah & Joe, Many thanks for guys. You are doing a great job there.
There must be Yang to every Yin. You are welcome, figgsey.

Joe
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #53,563
  • Jul 14, 2013 4:39pm Jul 14, 2013 4:39pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} figgsey, Well, yes, I have done a great job. So far, Joe hasn't done anything but talk, and stumble his way onto an outdated template which he cannot quantitatively justify staying with! This raises questions......
If it does raise questions, I would suggest you free your mind, tah.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #53,564
  • Edited 4:58pm Jul 14, 2013 4:43pm | Edited 4:58pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} What is bullshit will be shown over the next week. What is most funny, Mr. Tesla, is that you do not even know what you have created. Joe
Mr. Tesla was of a great mind. I am just persistent.

My mind is free. But, it remains odd that you seem to be reluctant to quantify your choice. As you yourself have pressed in the past, quantitative analysis is so very important to you. And yet, you remain silent and evasive when questioned in your own manner of questioning others........
  • #53,565
  • Jul 14, 2013 4:59pm Jul 14, 2013 4:59pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Mr. Tesla was of a great mind. I am just persistent. My mind is free. But, it remains odd that you seem to be reluctant to quantify your choices. As you yourself have pressed in the past, quantitative analysis is so very important to you. And yet, you remain silent and evasive when questioned in your own manner of questioning others........
You have not asked me to quantify my answers, my friend. But I will, the trading week has begun!!!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #53,566
  • Edited 5:26pm Jul 14, 2013 5:05pm | Edited 5:26pm
PVSRA, GJ and EU: Bulls or Bears?

Note that the activity for EU has taken place above the half SR, and even briefly above the 3/4 SR.
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  • #53,567
  • Jul 14, 2013 5:15pm Jul 14, 2013 5:15pm
PVSRA, AU: Bulls of Bears?

There was question about this one possibly becoming bullish with the high volume Friday as price struck below the 0.9000 whole SR. Was it true "stopping" volume, or was it just "stop the drop" volume so the MMs could push price back up for renewed shorting? It looks right now that the latter is the case.
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  • #53,568
  • Jul 14, 2013 5:21pm Jul 14, 2013 5:21pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} What is bullshit will be shown over the next week. What is most funny, Mr. Tesla, is that you do not even know what you have created. Joe
I don't understand you Joe... he is just saying there is a newer version with several bugs fixed. What is the problem? Download it and stop filling the thread with trash talk...

Sometimes I swear I can't understand you guys.
To fail is just an opportunity to learn
  • #53,569
  • Jul 14, 2013 5:22pm Jul 14, 2013 5:22pm
PVSRA, GU: Bulls or Bears?

Price remains above 1.5100 whole SR. At the new week open, the almost immediate strike above the 1/4 SR on very notable volume is a PVSRA indication the MMs are bears taking advantage of the price area to resume adding shorts.
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  • #53,570
  • Jul 14, 2013 5:30pm Jul 14, 2013 5:30pm
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} I don't understand you Joe... he is just saying there is a newer version with several bugs fixed. What is the problem? Download it and stop filling the thread with trash talk... Sometimes I swear I can't understand you guys.

U don't understand because you cannot understand. So, what you should be doing is focusing on what what you can understand. Work on PVSRA and you will be okay until the next black swan.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #53,571
  • Edited 5:47pm Jul 14, 2013 5:35pm | Edited 5:47pm
AU Comment

Sonicers,

This strike Friday below the whole SR was with notable volume that could have been true "stopping" volume, and a precursor to the MMs converting to bulls. However, the MMs sold off into the close on Friday, a bearish sign. And now the MMs are hiking the price and increasing their trading activity as they push the price higher. PVSRA indicates the MMs are still bears.

We can never know when bears, that are putting on bullish looking drives (sucking in longs while they build their short positions), will begin their bear run for profits which could involve a Sonic R. System Classic short setup. The way things look right now, I think a Classic short setup is what we should be waiting for. However, it pays to stay with PVSRA to see if ongoing clear indications remain confirming, or if conflicting indications start to show up.

Keep in mind too, that good position building drives up by bear MMs could actually be decent Classic long trade opportunities! In this case though, it would be both a "counter-MM" trade and a "counter-trend" trade, so I would not be interested in taking that risk.

If the MMs hike the price above the upper whole SR, that might be the time to check PVSRA, and if still confirming the MMs are bears maybe start stalking for shorting opportunites.
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  • #53,572
  • Jul 14, 2013 5:55pm Jul 14, 2013 5:55pm
I have been watching the AU for a long position. As the price has moved significantly in one direction for a significant amount of time. The EA and AU typically move opposite directions. So if the EA is short then the AU is long. I entered the EA short on Friday after a Sonicer pointed out the good setup and I agree it looks like a good place to build shorts. If the EA moves short the likely the AU will move long. So this may have some bias to my analysis. I like the increased volume at the lows. Fundamentally the AU has move to far to fast with no retrace. This would be a counter trend move but the volume as I see it looks inviting. I have not entered until I see a clear sign as this is highly correlated with the EA trade so I am in no hurry to enter but I am watching.
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  • #53,573
  • Edited 6:35pm Jul 14, 2013 6:11pm | Edited 6:35pm
Quoting traderathome
AU Comment Sonicers, This strike Friday below the whole SR was with notable volume that could have been true "stopping" volume, and a precursor to the MMs converting to bulls. However, the MMs sold off into the close on Friday, a bearish sign. And now the MMs are hiking the price and increasing their trading activity as they push the price higher. PVSRA indicates the MMs are still bears. We can never know when bears, that are putting on bullish looking drives (sucking in longs while they build their short positions), will begin their bear run...
Quoting worldfreedom
I have been watching the AU for a long position. As the price has moved significantly in one direction for a significant amount of time. The EA and AU typically move opposite directions. So if the EA is short then the AU is long. I entered the EA short on Friday after a Sonicer pointed out the good setup and I agree it looks like a good place to build shorts. If the EA moves short the likely the AU will move long. So this may have some bias to my analysis. I like the increased volume at the lows. Fundamentally the AU has move to far to fast with...
PVSRA, AU: Bulls or Bears, or Both?

I and worldfreedom have opposite bias on this. It should be fun to watch. Worldfreedom is no slouch when it comes to analysis, and he is well involved in the PVSRA project. Yet we both come away with opposite viewpoints as to what PVSRA indicates. Is PVSRA faulty? Or is PVSRA simply providing the available signals, and we need thank the deceptive MMs for things not yet being crystal clear? So, let's keep with the PVSRA for ongoing indications and see where this all leads to. The idea here is to conclude, if possible, how to conduct PVSRA for the most reliable results.

We could both be seeing correctly the two opposite sides of the same coin. worldfreedom sees maybe the price being driven again to the lower whole number area as a prelude to a big bull run. I see bears currently trading most at highest prices they achieve. So, maybe the MMs are currently bears loading up for a profitable dash back down to a base where they will be adding to their longs for a big bull run. There is no secret the MMs hold positions in both directions to play the market in just this way, making profits as they drive prices in either direction. That it is profitable is the true reason the NFA squeezed USA retail traders out of being able to hedge conveniently (need multiple accounts to get around this bullshit disadvantaging of USA retail traders). Do you know why it is profitable, and why the big money players got the NFA to successfully lobby against USA retail traders being able to hedge and to restrict them into having to follow FIFO exits? Think about it. The "big" draw downs that scare everyone, well they can all but be a thing of the past if hedging were allowed, enabling traders to fully stay with bull and bear MMs as they "build" and as they "run for profits",.....stay with them with no draw down to speak of!

The way things now are, it is much easier for the MMs to "steal" from USA retail traders, and that is what that legislation was really all about. These are the greedy bastards we are up against. So whenever a Sonicer profits, I say, "Well done!"
  • #53,574
  • Jul 14, 2013 6:22pm Jul 14, 2013 6:22pm
My preferred way of playing it is to short EA and GA , but both will skyrocket higher if AU plummets.
  • #53,575
  • Jul 14, 2013 7:38pm Jul 14, 2013 7:38pm
Quoting traderathome
AU Comment Sonicers, This strike Friday below the whole SR was with notable volume that could have been true "stopping" volume, and a precursor to the MMs converting to bulls. However, the MMs sold off into the close on Friday, a bearish sign. And now the MMs are hiking the price and increasing their trading activity as they push the price higher. PVSRA indicates the MMs are still bears. We can never know when bears, that are putting on bullish looking drives (sucking in longs while they build their short positions), will begin their bear run...
Speaking of which TP: 0.895
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There is no spoon....
  • #53,576
  • Jul 14, 2013 7:51pm Jul 14, 2013 7:51pm
Classic setup for AUD/USD Short
Entry (90670)
TP (90169)
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Creditors have better memories than debtors.
  • #53,577
  • Jul 14, 2013 8:36pm Jul 14, 2013 8:36pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} EA Short Trade: Added short #2, Scout pending order was executed. M1 PVSRA shows that at the time the order executed the MMs were pushing up prices towards the 1/4 SR. They subsequently pushed up through the 1/4 SR on high activity, indicating they are bears pushing up prices to add shorts. Edit: Added short #3, Scout pending order was executed. Same PVSRA story. {image} {image}
EA Short Trade: Added short #4, Scout. M1 PVSRA shows MMs hiked price above whole SR and increased their trading = Bears.
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  • #53,578
  • Jul 14, 2013 9:03pm Jul 14, 2013 9:03pm
Quoting traderathome
AU Comment Sonicers, This strike Friday below the whole SR was with notable volume that could have been true "stopping" volume, and a precursor to the MMs converting to bulls. However, the MMs sold off into the close on Friday, a bearish sign. And now the MMs are hiking the price and increasing their trading activity as they push the price higher. PVSRA indicates the MMs are still bears. We can never know when bears, that are putting on bullish looking drives (sucking in longs while they build their short positions), will begin their bear run...
AU Short Trade:

Entered short #1, Scout, for reasons stated in referenced post and the M1 PVSRA bear indication was crystal clear.
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  • #53,579
  • Jul 14, 2013 9:10pm Jul 14, 2013 9:10pm
Price reaches Whole number 0.90998 then sell off... 5 min Chart
Aud/USD
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  • #53,580
  • Edited 10:26pm Jul 14, 2013 9:16pm | Edited 10:26pm
GA Short Trade:

Entered short #1, Classic, though before LS. This just had a strong sell off and a 50% recovery.
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