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  • #53,501
  • Jul 12, 2013 10:07pm Jul 12, 2013 10:07pm
Quoting MichaelKiske
{quote} Hum .. interesting .... I do not know the difference .... I thought this high volume below a whole number always meant Bulls... Please, can you explain me the difference? Thank you for your tremendous contribution Good weekend
Sorry, I don't spoon feed. Catch up on reading everything on PVSRA, the PDF and all PVSRA comment and trade postings, and stay caught up. If others that have done this can do fine with PVSRA, you should be able to also. Do the work, and stay at it, if you want the rewards others are experiencing.
  • #53,502
  • Edited 11:18pm Jul 12, 2013 10:39pm | Edited 11:18pm
PVSRA Results for 1st Fifteen Weeks

The following are the results of my trading the Sonic R. System using PVSRA to determine if it is a bull or bear market, and then trading the price action I see.

Week ending 04/05
1289 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 19 parts (18 parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 04/12
1891 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 28 parts (all parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 04/19
2160 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 31 parts (29 parts winners), averaging 69+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 04/26
2640 pips gained, 6 trades totaling 34 parts (all parts winners), averaging 77+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/03
2530 pips gained, 6 trades totaling 24 parts (23 parts winners), averaging 105+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/10
3050 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 33 parts (all parts winners), averaging 92+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/17
1590 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 16 parts (all parts winners), averaging 99+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/24
3980 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 40 parts (33 parts winners), averaging 99+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/31
4003 pips gained, 5 trades totaling 37 parts (34 parts winners), averaging 108+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 06/07
9813 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 61 parts (53 parts winners), averaging 160+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 06/14
3900 pips gained, 2 trades totaling 15 parts (all parts winners), averaging 260+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 06/21
4620 pips gained, 3 trades totaling 33 parts (all parts winners), averaging 140+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 06/28
12,120 pips gained, 8 trades totaling 86 parts (82 parts winners), averaging 140+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 07/05
3,440 pips gained, 2 trades totaling 22 parts (18 parts winners), averaging 156+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 07/12
14,143 pips gained, 11 trades totaling 125 parts (115 parts winners), averaging 113+ pips per each of all parts

All of these trades, all of the trade parts thereof, were posted real-time right here on the Sonic R. System thread, using crystal clear easy to understand charts and explanations regarding PVSRA reasons for entries, whether Classic or Scout trades.

Fifteen Week Summary

71,169 pips banked.
225 pips current draw up (net profit of all open PVSRA trades).
71,394 pips net gain (pips banked plus net profit of all open PVSRA trades).
4,760 pips weekly average net profit (weekly average net profit if all open PVSRA trades instantly closed).

Additional Remarks

I have one open non-PVSRA trade (first entered many months prior to PVSRA) that is down 12,589 pips (EJ short). For this trade to come into profit either the euro needs to weaken or the YEN needs to strengthen, or both. And both are more likely to happen than not. So, it is just a question of time. In any case, if I instantly closed this trade against my PVSRA net gains, I would still have 3,920 pips weekly average net profit over these past fifteen weeks! I doubt there are many traders at ForexFactory that can testify to such success as this, if any at all. PVSRA is an effective real-time market analysis, so effective that it negates the old "truth" advocated by some, that one should never average down. It enables traders to trade the way professional traders do,.......and profit the way they do!

Final Remarks

As part of the experiment that was to result in PVSRA, on January 11, 2013 I opened a demo account for $1,000 which I used to mirror some of my real-time trades, focusing on those that were of the pre-PVSRA experiment and eventually the PVSRA "in work" project. This account six months and one day later stands at $10,049.16 without any other credits or withdrawals. That equates to a 46.90% monthly compounded return on the initial $1,000 opening balance. Of course, I had to work for this using PVSRA to analyze the market while trading.

-tah
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  • #53,503
  • Jul 12, 2013 11:12pm Jul 12, 2013 11:12pm
Quoting traderathome
Sonicers, I post my trades. That in itself is an effort. I try to answer what I consider important and worthy questions, which is more effort. When it comes to answering questions that shouldn't be asked because they are already answered if folks would but read the thread, or if folks would be more patient and let the market show them, I am growing weary. At some point I get frustrated with the apparent lack of reading and effort on the part of others that seem to consider my time as worthless as their own. I say their time is worthless based on...
That is exactly what many of us are doing, thinking. So questions about risk vs. reward are asked. For some odd reason, this is disturbing to you. As far as you being rude, that is always a larger reflection on you than it is the questioner. Being vague tends to make people who are thinking ask questions. It is clear that you are loathe to discuss risk/reward ratios, and I am sure there is a reason for that. If you are getting weary, be concise in your answers and quit sounding like a politician.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #53,504
  • Jul 12, 2013 11:15pm Jul 12, 2013 11:15pm
Quoting traderathome
I doubt there are many traders at ForexFactory that can testify to such success as this, if any at all.
this bad english , make me post a bad english too , any ego post make me post crack the truth.

you always have thousand pips drawdown or more every month , and JRissa and tymdu posted the the truth they posted thousand pips drawdown and they used micro pips low laverage so they can handle the float because its low risk.

1000 pips drawdown its $10 , it is logical with $300 account , add many random entry , so the logic is 70.000 pips profit only $700 , so logical if tymedu happy and relax with many entry , because he only have 20% drawdown risk , and the reward is logical too 20% gain, am i wrong ?

are you sure add many false entry with $7000 drawdown or more ?

this the reason my last post .

look around ff man , the all have trade explore with good result with % not pips .

i have add demo trade explore before , now i have 100% gain , and i have real too with good % gain , should i add them ? if you ask.

i have seriously bussiness , i want add my acc to mt5 signal ( you can find at your mt4 terminal ) or zulu or pamm , this can help me to get more capital.

if you ask me how i trade , basicly i copied how mr. chow ( sonic ) did .

have a good week end and big dream cheerss
  • #53,505
  • Edited 11:48pm Jul 12, 2013 11:27pm | Edited 11:48pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} That is exactly what many of us are doing, thinking. So questions about risk vs. reward are asked. For some odd reason, this is disturbing to you. As far as you being rude, that is always a larger reflection on you than it is the questioner. Being vague tends to make people who are thinking ask questions. It is clear that you are loathe to discuss risk/reward ratios, and I am sure there is a reason for that. If you are getting weary, be concise in your answers and quit sounding like a politician.
Joe,

Get off your high horse about "risk to reward". Just look at my posted charts. You see the current P/L. You see the target Profit. That is my "risk to reward", and it changes as the price moves, but I am rarely down to less than 1:1 because I add at extreme prices which increases my reward to compensate for the current risk. I am not averse to the discussion. I am just weary of folks not seeing what is before their damn eyes! Position building is in a class outside of the old world type trades that fit the old world risk to reward model. I have no time to waste discussing a flat world model. The real world is round, and position building trading involves dynamic, ever changing "risk to reward". How do I manage? I look at my accounts margin used and margin unused, and make a trader's decision. That is my "risk model" and anyone will get better at doing this with experiential knowledge.

Seems to me you are more of an engineer than I used to be, trying to quantify everything. Good luck. Seems to me a person would be better off honing their skill at PVSRA and just trading very light relative to account size until their experiential knowlege kicks in and moves them to new heights and profits.

I don't know what it is you are trying to get me to say, what it is you are after, what it is you still lack after already saying you now had all you needed. Whatever it is, I have said all I am going to on this subject. I will not be a part of someone else's attempt at quantifying whatever it is they need quantified in order to feel "comfortable" here. I have put myself out on a limb over five years ago, stayed there, and have freely shared the fruits. No, More! I have labored to practically stuff the fruit down the throats of those too lazy to even eat for themselves.

Do not ask another question on this of me because I will leave you with it unanswered. Figure it out for yourself, like I had to, like everyone else here has to. And if that is too much to do, in the mind of anyone here, then they should go anywhere else and trade, where making money is so much easier.

-tah
  • #53,506
  • Jul 12, 2013 11:51pm Jul 12, 2013 11:51pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Joe, Get off your high horse about "risk to reward". Just look at my posted charts. You see the current P/L. You see the target Profit. That is my "risk to reward", and it changes as the price moves, but I am rarely down to less than 1:1 because I add at extreme prices which increases my reward to compensate for the current risk. I am not averse to the discussion. I am just weary of folks not seeing what is before their damn eyes! Position building is in a class outside of the old world type trades that fit the old world risk to reward...

Now, instead of that tirade, you could have simply said," my risk/reward is discretionary. I do whatever feels right". And I would have said, "I see". Being more economical with your words would probably make you less "weary"

At any rate, thank you for answering the question, and have a great weekend!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #53,507
  • Edited Jul 13, 2013 12:14am Jul 12, 2013 11:53pm | Edited Jul 13, 2013 12:14am
Quoting jasakreatif
{quote} this bad english , make me post a bad english too , any ego post make me post crack the truth. you always have thousand pips drawdown or more every month , and JRissa and tymdu posted the the truth they posted thousand pips drawdown and they used micro pips low laverage so they can handle the float because its low risk. 1000 pips drawdown its $10 , it is logical with $300 account , add many random entry , so the logic is 70.000 pips profit only $700 , so logical if tymedu happy and relax with many entry , because he only have 20% drawdown...
jasakreatif,

I don't know what hat you are pulling your bullshit numbers from, but all of my real-time trade postings and weekend summary results are crystal clear. It is too bad that it is beyond your ability to comprehend. Let me make this simple, so even you can understand.

Either post real-time trades on an ongoing basis as I do, so we can see if you know what you are doing, or do the FF Explorer like some others have. Until you do one or the other, you have no credibility. The FF Explorer is nice for numbers, but it hardly is a tool for teaching. That you should mock traders that post real-time trades instead of using FF Explorer shows how dense you are when it comes to attempting to share with others what they need to see so they can be more successful. FF Explorer will never help to make a single trader more successful. And likely neither will you.

-tah
  • #53,508
  • Jul 13, 2013 12:03am Jul 13, 2013 12:03am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Now, instead of that tirade, you could have simply said," my risk/reward is discretionary. I do whatever feels right". And I would have said, "I see". Being more economical with your words would probably make you less "weary" At any rate, thank you for answering the question, and have a great weekend!
Joe,

Great response from you, after all I said.

Have a good weekend, my friend. I'll get rest too, so I can "go at it" again next week!

-tah
  • #53,509
  • Edited 12:54am Jul 13, 2013 12:24am | Edited 12:54am
Quoting jasakreatif
{quote} this bad english , make me post a bad english too , any ego post make me post crack the truth. you always have thousand pips drawdown or more every month , and JRissa and tymdu posted the the truth they posted thousand pips drawdown and they used micro pips low laverage so they can handle the float because its low risk. 1000 pips drawdown its $10 , it is logical with $300 account , add many random entry , so the logic is 70.000 pips profit only $700 , so logical if tymedu happy and relax with many entry , because he only have 20% drawdown...

I will only reply you because you mentioned me. I don't know why you are so upset tbh, but it's not the first time you mention me. So let me explain the things a little bit.

I have been trading for 7 months. For me, that is bullshit, and I consider myself a newbie and I won't stop considering it until I achieve 12 consecutive months with profits. Yes, I started to trade with a micro account and yes, my entries are 0,02$/pip. If you are a pro trader who can achieve 100% account growth per month, congrats! I'm happy for you! I know it's not true but if you want to believe it, go ahead!

But dude, I just can't understand your need to "flame" other guys, just because they don't do the same that you do or because they are not as good as you are. If you are winning 100% per month because "10% per day is easy" (and I'm quoting you), why do you have to focus in us?

My main question is: What am I doing wrong? I want to know it, really. What am I doing so badly to receive a mention from you every single month? I am happy because I am winning money, because I am achieving what I consider a good % per month (20-30%) and because I am learning a lot (unfortunately, not from you). Yes, I am not winning 10k per month because my starting capital is not big. And?

The truth is that 3 months ago you didn't know me and now you have to mention me, you need to mention me. I'm sorry but I'm proud of that. If you have to mention me in your "monthly flame newsletter" is because I'm doing something good. So keep doing it. I won't be as "pro" as you are and I can perfectly admit that I have room to improve, of course! That is why I am here! If I was winning (like you) a 100% per month, I wouldn't come to the thread to flame.

However, there is an important difference between you and me. My trades are public, my mistakes are public and I'm a man to deal with them and with people like you. Meanwhile, all I can see in your profile is a couple of fractal figures but no trades. Nothing to show, nothing to prove. That is the difference my friend. We are two different guys with two different profiles. You come here to flame saying that you are better but not proving it and I'm here to learn and share showing every time my success and my mistakes.

And repeat, if you are a better trader than me, good for you. This is not a competition, I don't want to be better than you nor anyone. I just want to win money and I want to learn and share.

Now, you will probably reply saying something about my english because you won't have another argument. So let me clarify before your post. Yes, I can have a couple of typos, deal with it. I'm not English native so deal with it.

Best, Tymedu
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  • #53,510
  • Jul 13, 2013 12:35am Jul 13, 2013 12:35am
PVSRA is great!! Thanks to TAH, Tymedu and other sonicers who provide GREAT information, not only to learn how PVSRA works, also how market works! I'm also new here, and lots of not understand as everone too! has been only 2 weeks, but i think i still able to catch up with TAH and everyone here, still learning and things are coming together and make sense, how SR works, how important is 3/4 SR, 1/4 SR , half and whole SR. How Market movers usually do when they're going bear or bull! PVSRA shows everything, although there's some times things got different and charts are confuse, check out TAH posts, you'll find the answer!

Here's my results for only 2 weeks! last week was a blast! =) although i have a BIG drawdown, but i'll be more careful in money management next time!
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  • #53,511
  • Jul 13, 2013 1:45am Jul 13, 2013 1:45am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Joe, Great response from you, after all I said. Have a good weekend, my friend. I'll get rest too, so I can "go at it" again next week! -tah
Next week, I will be a position building Sonicer right along with you. I freely admit that it is difficult to get precision out of one's head after a lifetime of it. The longer I study the mechanics of it the more I see that even if the black swan gets us, we will have taken out are initial capital and maybe some multiple thereof. See you next week. Don't wake up dead! (Old man joke)
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #53,512
  • Jul 13, 2013 2:16am Jul 13, 2013 2:16am
Quoting cori
friends , Sonicers , Big analyzer , men I am drowning here need help . I am in this thread for about four months , and read every thing from the page no.1 every word every line , and I still have difficult to analysis chart by PVSRA , I see your analysis and compared it with mine I see my analysis not even close to the right view that you are posted here . I can trade using what your posted here , but I think it's not the right way to learn to trade and there is some one said "don't feed me a fish but learn me to fishing (hunting)...
I would recommend you go back to the beginning of April and reread all the posts
relating to PVSRA. Also, search the thread and find all the pdf's written on PVSRA.

One thing that helped me (a bunch) was to read Mastering the Markets (found also
by searching the thread). It was the first thing that opened my eyes as to how the
market REALLY functions. My view was the exact opposite at the time, and it has
worked wonders for me. PVSRA falls right in line with that approach.

I don't know about you, but for me, rereading things over and over sometimes helps
me to absorb the content better. When you do "get it" a light will come on for you!

Best of luck!

  • #53,513
  • Jul 13, 2013 2:36am Jul 13, 2013 2:36am
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} I will only reply you because you mentioned me. I don't know why you are so upset tbh, but it's not the first time you mention me. So let me explain the things a little bit. I have been trading for 7 months. For me, that is bullshit, and I consider myself a newbie and I won't stop considering it until I achieve 12 consecutive months with profits. Yes, I started to trade with a micro account and yes, my entries are 0,02$/pip. If you are a pro trader who can achieve 100% account growth per month, congrats! I'm happy for you! I know it's not...
Amen brother!
  • #53,514
  • Jul 13, 2013 2:40am Jul 13, 2013 2:40am
Okay, I have adjusted my TP for next week. If the market gaps down, then I will have made my first pips tah style. If the market gaps up, I will just keep stalking the MM's until they make their move.
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  • #53,515
  • Jul 13, 2013 2:50am Jul 13, 2013 2:50am
I would like to say that I'm a big fan of PVSRA analysis. Its development
by tah has added one more piece to the trading puzzle for me.

I'm no master trader by any means, but I do read and study and try to learn
something useful every day. PVSRA has been an enlightening experience
for me for sure!

Some of the things I feel that have made a big difference in my trading:

1) finding the sonicR thread on FF

2) following the teachings of tah and utilizing his templates

3) opening a live micro account

4) reading Mastering the Markets

5) studying, studying, studying PVSRA postings and materials

These things have brought my tiny account from under $20 to over $170 in
just three months, while trading 0.05 (or less). I know that isn't a King's Ransom
but for me it is a significant change. PVSRA has been the primary key to it all.

It DOES NOT involve any stress from drawdown, as the amounts I have
experienced thus far have been small. You can easily monitor the situation
by watching the active trade totals. My rule of thumb is that if the totals
begin to make me feel "uncomfortable" I know when to exit some or all of the
trades. It doesn't require fancy risk/reward calculations. I just "know."

The bottom line, for me anyway, is that applying PVSRA to sonicR trading works.
Possessing knowledge is a powerful tool!

Thanks sonicdeejay and tah.

  • #53,516
  • Jul 13, 2013 2:53am Jul 13, 2013 2:53am
Quoting Dr.Phoenix
{quote} Hi, Sonicers. Islander, could you please answer what exactly you mean saying "a volume trigger"? Colour? A bar size in comparison with the previous two? By the way, the true volume (if needed) can be taken into consideration using the 6E futures (100% correlation to the EU spot) volume in the TOS. The RESULT. I decided to have an experiment with the Sonic R System trading EU intraday only (all the positions are closed daily as soon as possible, none of positions in the market lasts for more than 24 hours). The result I have last...

NP - firstly, I can see that have read Master The Markets, as have I, although rather a long time ago - see here:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...15#post6614515

As this is Sonic's thread, we all use his / TAH's indicators, so if you look at my posted trades you will find that I frequently high-light a pick up of volume (tick activity) as shown by the coloured bars on the SonicR PVA indicaotor and later, especially around "a level" use a (larger) Bull Climax or Bear Climax bar to trigger my exit / TP.

PS To easily check anyone's posts, move your curser over their name to bring up their number of posts and then click on this number to bring up a list of their posts
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  • #53,517
  • Jul 13, 2013 3:12am Jul 13, 2013 3:12am
The Silver Surfer........
SonicR - riding the wave of the future with PVSRA by traderathome!

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  • Jul 13, 2013 4:07am Jul 13, 2013 4:07am
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  • #53,519
  • Jul 13, 2013 6:16am Jul 13, 2013 6:16am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Sorry, I don't spoon feed. Catch up on reading everything on PVSRA, the PDF and all PVSRA comment and trade postings, and stay caught up. If others that have done this can do fine with PVSRA, you should be able to also. Do the work, and stay at it, if you want the rewards others are experiencing.
Ok .. thank you
I read a PVSRA.PDF with 90 pages, I learned a lot ... But, just one week I started studying PVSRA ... and this is very little .. I need to study more .... I will continue studying here and posting my analysis, I believe that with time I will improve ....

sorry my bad english
thank you
Sorry my bad English - My native language is Portuguese-BR
  • #53,520
  • Edited Jul 14, 2013 12:52am Jul 13, 2013 6:59am | Edited Jul 14, 2013 12:52am
Quoting MichaelKiske
{quote} Ok .. thank you I read a PVSRA.PDF with 90 pages, I learned a lot ... But, just one week I started studying PVSRA ... and this is very little .. I need to study more .... I will continue studying here and posting my analysis, I believe that with time I will improve .... sorry my bad english thank you
Michael, if you search the thread again, you will find more pdf's on the topic of PVSRA
in addition to the one you found.

Read them ALL......

And after that, read them all AGAIN!

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