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  • #52,841
  • Edited 11:14am Jul 6, 2013 10:44am | Edited 11:14am
PVSRA Results for 1st Fourteen Weeks

The following are the results of my trading the Sonic R. System using PVSRA to determine if it is a bull or bear market, and then trading the price action I see.

Week ending 04/05
1289 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 19 parts (18 parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 04/12
1891 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 28 parts (all parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 04/19
2160 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 31 parts (29 parts winners), averaging 69+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 04/26
2640 pips gained, 6 trades totaling 34 parts (all parts winners), averaging 77+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/03
2530 pips gained, 6 trades totaling 24 parts (23 parts winners), averaging 105+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/10
3050 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 33 parts (all parts winners), averaging 92+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/17
1590 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 16 parts (all parts winners), averaging 99+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/24
3980 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 40 parts (33 parts winners), averaging 99+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 05/31
4003 pips gained, 5 trades totaling 37 parts (34 parts winners), averaging 108+ pips per each of all parts.

Week ending 06/07
9813 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 61 parts (53 parts winners), averaging 160+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 06/14
3900 pips gained, 2 trades totaling 15 parts (all parts winners), averaging 260+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 06/21
4620 pips gained, 3 trades totaling 33 parts (all parts winners), averaging 140+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 06/28
12,120 pips gained, 8 trades totaling 86 parts (82 parts winners), averaging 140+ pips per each of all parts

Week ending 07/05
3,440 pips gained, 2 trades totaling 22 parts (18 parts winners), averaging 156+ pips per each of all parts

All of these trades, all of the trade parts thereof, were posted real-time right here on the Sonic R. System thread, using crystal clear easy to understand charts and explanations regarding PVSRA reasons for entries, whether Classic or Scout trades.

Fourteen Week Summary

57,026 pips banked.
10,738 pips current draw down (net P/L of all open PVSRA trades).
46,288 pips net gain (pips banked minus net P/L of all open PVSRA trades).
3,306 pips weekly average net profit (weekly average net profit if all open PVSRA trades instantly closed).

Additional Remarks

I have one open non-PVSRA trade (first entered many months prior to PVSRA) that is down 12,890 pips (EJ short). For this trade to come into profit either the euro needs to weaken or the YEN needs to strengthen, or both. And both are more likely to happen than not. So, it is just a question of time. In any case, if I instantly closed this trade against my PVSRA net gains, I would still have 2,385 pips weekly average net profit over these past fourteen weeks! I doubt there are many traders at ForexFactory that can testify to such success as this, if any at all. PVSRA is an effective real-time market analysis, so effective that it negates the old "truth", avocated by some, that one should never average down It enables traders to trade the way professional traders do,.......and profit the way they do!

-tah
  • #52,842
  • Jul 6, 2013 11:20am Jul 6, 2013 11:20am
Quoting jasakreatif
{quote} maybe, its because they see doji
Weekly Doji is what they should be looking for !!!!!!
  • #52,843
  • Jul 6, 2013 11:34am Jul 6, 2013 11:34am
Quoting traderathome
PVSRA Results for 1st Fourteen Weeks The following are the results of my trading the Sonic R. System using PVSRA to determine if it is a bull or bear market, and then trading the price action I see. Week ending 04/05 1289 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 19 parts (18 parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts. Week ending 04/12 1891 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 28 parts (all parts winners), averaging 67+ pips per each of all parts. Week ending 04/19 2160 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 31 parts (29 parts winners), averaging 69+ pips...
Thank you for the addendum tah, and you are right, it is downright hard to argue with numbers like that.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #52,844
  • Jul 6, 2013 12:09pm Jul 6, 2013 12:09pm
After a re read of your summary........

Professional traders that do trade the way you do trade end up like Lehman Brothers, Bear Sterns, and LTCM. Averaging down is an inefficient way to make money and nearly guarantees an eventual blow up.

NEVER add to a losing position. Your numbers do look good, but what if you had been adding to winning position rather than nursing losing ones? Your gains would be much higher.

However, to your credit, no one else is logging the success of averaging down the way you are. And it does work, until it doesn't. It's a lot like writing naked options. Ask Victor Niederhoffer about that. Great returns for a long time, then........BOOM!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #52,845
  • Jul 6, 2013 12:19pm Jul 6, 2013 12:19pm
Joe,

i'll be looking into your sonic r classic entries in detail. i've found PVRSA easier to learn because of the indepth posts TAH has been giving us. But there hasn't been someone who has been been teaching the classic entry to newbies.

So thanks in advance,

marvas
  • #52,846
  • Jul 6, 2013 12:24pm Jul 6, 2013 12:24pm
Quoting jmn5611
After a re read of your summary........ Professional traders that do trade the way you do trade end up like Lehman Brothers, Bear Sterns, and LTCM. Averaging down is an inefficient way to make money and nearly guarantees an eventual blow up. NEVER add to a losing position. Your numbers do look good, but what if you had been adding to winning position rather than nursing losing ones? Your gains would be much higher. However, to your credit, no one else is logging the success of averaging down the way you are. And it does work, until it doesn't. It's...
Dont forget Nick Leeson with his 888 Account
  • #52,847
  • Jul 6, 2013 12:28pm Jul 6, 2013 12:28pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Since you are a Spaniard, I will let this post pass as some sort of bizarre misunderstanding on your part. Best Joe
Relax Joe, he's the comedian Forum ... Loves to make jokes ..
I am Brazilian and I never give up!
  • #52,848
  • Jul 6, 2013 12:29pm Jul 6, 2013 12:29pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Thank you for the addendum tah, and you are right, it is downright hard to argue with numbers like that.
as long as you ask how many pips actually was risked to gain that.
Good measeure of that would be showing maximal drawdown on each of those trades, if you risk 10k pips to gain for example 2k it clearly shows how weak strategy is unless you have 80% accuracy and you actually have 10k pips stop (what is very unlikely because if someone keeps drawdown to 10k pips he is psychologicaly unable to close it anyway).
  • #52,849
  • Edited 1:08pm Jul 6, 2013 12:44pm | Edited 1:08pm
Quoting jmn5611
After a re read of your summary........ Professional traders that do trade the way you do trade end up like Lehman Brothers, Bear Sterns, and LTCM. Averaging down is an inefficient way to make money and nearly guarantees an eventual blow up. NEVER add to a losing position. Your numbers do look good, but what if you had been adding to winning position rather than nursing losing ones? Your gains would be much higher. However, to your credit, no one else is logging the success of averaging down the way you are. And it does work, until it doesn't. It's...
It Is What It Is......

1. Professional traders do trade that way.
2. Only rarely do professional traders get zapped in the manner you suggest. How many times in the past recent years has it happened. Only twice that I know of: a trader for a french bank and a trader for Lehman Brothers. That's all. And what was the result? Both the bank and Lehman Brothers offset the loss with their gains, and still reported huge profits! That last item is what all the "don't average down" advocates conveniently leave out!

Personally, I suspect the "Don't average down" philosophy was first spouted out by talking heads for the big players in the markets, because nothing would make their goal of "stealing" from others easier than for everyone to believe this bullshit. Look at NFA, the talking heads for these same people, who went before the US Congress and convinced (or paid) them to pass law forbidding hedging by retailers. The game is rigged to favor the "big boys". Of that there can be no doubt. And it favors them for retailers not to get smart and figure out a way to profitably trade the way they do. So, "Don't average down" is one of their favorite bullshit bylines.

My trades are proof that PVSRA is effective and that averaging down the right way works. All the bullshit to the contrary is just that, bullshit. Just ask the super-rich behind that french bank and behind Lehman Brothers if averaging down works!

I have shown "the world is not flat", and it is a heretic I am called. I don't care. No, that is not right. I do care, and that is why I share. It gladdens my heart to be seeing more and more unsolicited testimonials by new and old traders alike, that have been using PVSRA over these past few months and finally mastering the market instead of losing to it. You don't see that happening in any other Forex Factory thread! Beyond that, everyone can decide for themselves what they want to believe and how they want to trade.

PVSRA Tutorial
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...49#post6657949

PVSRA Example Chart
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...35#post6768335 .....and where is the price now?

-tah
  • #52,850
  • Jul 6, 2013 12:44pm Jul 6, 2013 12:44pm
Quoting marvas
Joe, i'll be looking into your sonic r classic entries in detail. i've found PVRSA easier to learn because of the indepth posts TAH has been giving us. But there hasn't been someone who has been been teaching the classic entry to newbies. So thanks in advance, marvas
The entries are simple. What is missing on this thread is money management. It is awful, so we will get that in order next week.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #52,851
  • Jul 6, 2013 12:45pm Jul 6, 2013 12:45pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} 1. Professional traders do trade that way. 2. Only rarely do professional traders get zapped. How many times in the past recent years has it happened. Only twice that I know of: a trader for a french bank and a trader for Lehman Brothers. That's all. And what was the result? Both the bank and Lehman Brothers offset the loss with their gains, and still reported huge profits! That last item is what all the "don't average down" advocates conveniently leave out! Personally, I suspect the "Don't average down" philosophy was first spouted...
Well you can average down and next week I will show traders proper money management, and we can go from there.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #52,852
  • Jul 6, 2013 1:10pm Jul 6, 2013 1:10pm
tah, what position size will we be using? It needs to be the same to keep down confusion. I recommend dimes just to make the accounting process simpler.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #52,853
  • Jul 6, 2013 1:12pm Jul 6, 2013 1:12pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} It Is What It Is...... 1. Professional traders do trade that way. 2. Only rarely do professional traders get zapped in the manner you suggest. How many times in the past recent years has it happened. Only twice that I know of: a trader for a french bank and a trader for Lehman Brothers. That's all. And what was the result? Both the bank and Lehman Brothers offset the loss with their gains, and still reported huge profits! That last item is what all the "don't average down" advocates conveniently leave out! Personally, I suspect the "Don't...

The sadness of that chart is that you have been averaging down into that. What a waste!

Next week sonicers will be in profit.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #52,854
  • Jul 6, 2013 1:13pm Jul 6, 2013 1:13pm
Quoting marvas
Joe, i'll be looking into your sonic r classic entries in detail. i've found PVRSA easier to learn because of the indepth posts TAH has been giving us. But there hasn't been someone who has been been teaching the classic entry to newbies. So thanks in advance, marvas

Thank you, Sonic and tah have provided a beautiful platform to trade on. Next week, you will learn how to use it to it's full effect.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #52,855
  • Jul 6, 2013 1:16pm Jul 6, 2013 1:16pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Well you can average down and next week I will show traders proper money management, and we can go from there.
Joe,

Excellent! The more the "fine points" are hammered out for Classics and Scouts, the better to reach Master Sonicdeejay's goal of helping individual retail traders succeed in this dog-eat-dog forex market. We are now well on the road to that goal, and better to put up some guide-rails now.

-tah
  • #52,856
  • Jul 6, 2013 1:25pm Jul 6, 2013 1:25pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Joe, Excellent! The more the "fine points" are hammered out for Classics and Scouts, the better to reach Master Sonicdeejay's goal of helping individual retail traders succeed in this dog-eat-dog forex market. We are now well on the road to that goal, and better to put up some guide-rails now. -tah

It has hit me that that some people here are from places where internet connections are unstable, where real poverty exists ( not the American kind of no cable TV). I think the work you and Sonic has done here is honorable. Lisening to the BBC World Service will do that. It has come to me that I have no right to withhold information that can help others.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #52,857
  • Edited 2:25pm Jul 6, 2013 1:45pm | Edited 2:25pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} The sadness of that chart is that you have been averaging down into that. What a waste! Next week sonicers will be in profit.
Not a waste, Joe. Over the following week the price dropped over 200 pips from there! And I capitalized on it, 2640 pips gain on that single trade. After another day or so, the PVSRA indications switched to bull and I followed, building a long position. And most of the draw down (bulls running price lower to get better prices on their long orders) has been via the market makers/bank pre-set orders shenannegans over the two final two days last week, which I have already discussed.

Via PVSRA we can know if the price movers are bulls or bears. We can even intend to wait until whatever they are, that they start their "run for profits", and end up quickly into another drawn out "building" move. Does that mean we made a mistake? No. It simply means the price movers decided to move prices once again in an attempt to screw us. No, not just us, but any who had the same side position as we did, but had SLs that could be hit. This is just how the market works. We can never know when the true "run for profits" is underway. People that don't understand that just stand around being sideline judges, not really appreciating the depth of the game.
  • #52,858
  • Jul 6, 2013 1:48pm Jul 6, 2013 1:48pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} It has hit me that that some people here are from places where internet connections are unstable, where real poverty exists ( not the American kind of no cable TV). I think the work you and Sonic has done here is honorable. Lisening to the BBC World Service will do that. It has come to me that I have no right to withhold information that can help others.
Master Sonicdeejay's #1 Rule is, "No pic., no post." His byline to his thread is, "Sharing is caring." Glad you now see the latter as noble and can put your heart behind whatever you now do.
  • #52,859
  • Jul 6, 2013 2:06pm Jul 6, 2013 2:06pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I know prof, I will. But I maintain that PVSRA is to be used with the trend, and not against it. In fact, I am well aware that PVSRA is actually VSA repackaged. This concept is older than anyone living on this board. This will be shown next week.
I can appreciate the fact that you have a difference of opinion,
but I have to say, your bedside manner sucks bigtime!

It's not so much WHAT you say that rubs everyone the wrong way,
it's HOW you say it.

I don't mean to offend you, and if I did, I apologize.

  • #52,860
  • Jul 6, 2013 2:10pm Jul 6, 2013 2:10pm
Quoting ArtfulDodger
{quote} I can appreciate the fact that you have a difference of opinion, but I have to say, your bedside manner sucks bigtime! It's not so much WHAT you say that rubs everyone the wrong way, it's HOW you say it. I don't mean to offend you, and if I did, I apologize.
I am not offended, I am a man. Men in my neck of the woods do not get their feelings hurt.

Sonicers, we WILL be going both long AND short. If you live in the United States, get yourself a second demo account from another broker. See you on Sunday during the Asian session. No, we will not be trading then, the spreads are usually too wide and there is no need to hand brokers any more money than they get.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
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