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  • #51,821
  • Edited 10:12am Jun 24, 2013 9:17am | Edited 10:12am
Quoting traderathome
AJ Short Trade: Entered short #1, M5 Classic. Edit: Added short #2, Scout. Updated pic. No SL, no TP at this time. {image} {image}
AJ Short Trade:

Added short trade #3, Classic. Adjusted TP.

Edit: Added short #4, Scout (pic.2). Adjusted TP. Typical, once a Classic setup forms and entry is made, the MMs whip the price against the trade! Took advantage of the whip because M1 PVSRA shows at the high of the whip the largest increase in activity occurred, indicating the MMs are bears.
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  • #51,822
  • Jun 24, 2013 10:06am Jun 24, 2013 10:06am
Quoting banteka
AUD/CAD MMs are BEARS. High volume in highs above whole number (0.9700). Head fake. MMs are quietly closing longs/opening shorts. {image}
BEARS are very aggressive. They reached half number (0.9750). Adding more shorts.
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  • #51,823
  • Edited 11:21am Jun 24, 2013 10:08am | Edited 11:21am
Au started to build short position.

Regards,

H.

Edit closed for small profit - reason might be at monthly demand level.
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  • #51,824
  • Jun 24, 2013 10:35am Jun 24, 2013 10:35am
Quoting hansma
Au started to build short position. Regards, H. {image}
AU H&S

On one scale, it looks like it has dropped huge, and needs a pullup. On the other hand this H&S formation got a good sendoff after many months of ranging, .......
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  • #51,825
  • Jun 24, 2013 10:41am Jun 24, 2013 10:41am
Tah, is there an instance where MM are bulls in a rising market and bears in a falling market? If so, how is this determined?
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  • #51,826
  • Jun 24, 2013 10:48am Jun 24, 2013 10:48am
Quoting hansma
Au started to build short position. Regards, H. {image}
AUD Bears beware!!
after the usd rally, there is definitely going to be some pull back. taking AUD shorts now is a bit risky..check the AU daily chart and usd index..
The USD is expected to rally till the end of the year, just my 2 cents..
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  • #51,827
  • Jun 24, 2013 11:11am Jun 24, 2013 11:11am
EU Long Scout: High volume below whole numbers.
Added: EP1, EP2-EP5 (Buy Limits), EP6-EP9 (Bu Stops)
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  • #51,828
  • Edited 11:59am Jun 24, 2013 11:39am | Edited 11:59am
Quoting jmn5611
Tah, is there an instance where MM are bulls in a rising market and bears in a falling market? If so, how is this determined?
I think you have things turned around in your thinking. If there is a rising market it is because the MMs are bulls! The question is, when you see prices rising, are the MMs bulls, or are they bears simply hiking prices "temporarily" to load shorts? The term "rising market" is usually used to define a market where the bulls are driving prices upwards. However, and as we well know, not all occassions where prices rise is it a "rising market".

This is the value of PVSRA. It determines if the MMs are bulls or bears, no matter which way the MMs are moving prices! If you stay with the MMs (go short if bears, go long if bulls) no matter which way the price is moving, you will eventually arrive at Harvest Time. If you want to be more stringent, then only stay with the MMs when they are moving the price in their profit making direction, and pass up entering trades when they are moving the price opposite while they build their positions.
  • #51,829
  • Jun 24, 2013 11:41am Jun 24, 2013 11:41am
Quoting omadivi
{quote} AUD Bears beware!! after the usd rally, there is definitely going to be some pull back. taking AUD shorts now is a bit risky..check the AU daily chart and usd index.. The USD is expected to rally till the end of the year, just my 2 cents.. {image} {image}
You, too, are all turned around. If the USD gets stronger, then AU becomes a Killer Short trade, in spite of how much it has already dropped.
  • #51,830
  • Edited 12:05pm Jun 24, 2013 11:47am | Edited 12:05pm
Quoting apock
EU Long Scout: High volume below whole numbers. Added: EP1, EP2-EP5 (Buy Limits), EP6-EP9 (Bu Stops) {image} {image}
And you have not done a competent PVSRA because you apparently have ignored the M1 analysis, perhaps the most important one of all! The higher and/or the more concentrated areas of notable activity increases are at the relative highs, not at the relative lows. And this is real-time analysis! Not based on something that happened hours or even days ago.

No PVSRA is complete if it doesn't take into consideration multiiple TFs. However, no matter how many higher TFs you consider, the PVSRA is still not complete if you have not included the M1 PVSRA. The M1 PVSRA is where you get to determine real-time if the MMs are what they were, or are changing.
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  • #51,831
  • Jun 24, 2013 12:12pm Jun 24, 2013 12:12pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} And you have not done a competent PVSRA because you apparently have ignored the M1 analysis, perhaps the most important one of all! The higher and/or the more concentrated areas of notable activity increases are at the relative highs, not at the relative lows. And this is real-time analysis! Not based on something that happened hours or even days ago. No PVSRA is complete if it doesn't take into consideration multiiple TFs. However, no matter how many higher TFs you consider, the PVSRA is still not complete if you have not included the M1...
I'm feeing confused with the pvsra, I see what you show me and understand, but what happend with volume below the whole number and did you notice that volume of highs starts from below too?

Thanks for your feedback.
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  • #51,832
  • Jun 24, 2013 12:18pm Jun 24, 2013 12:18pm
Hi guys,

is there a difference if i use different broker for this templates? as i tried on both different broker, the volume height seems different... it makes me confuse... im on the first pic, which seems like no difference with almost same height for volumes. Any advise would be much appreciated!!
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  • #51,833
  • Jun 24, 2013 12:25pm Jun 24, 2013 12:25pm
Quoting apock
{quote} I'm feeing confused with the pvsra, I see what you show me and understand, but what happend with volume below the whole number and did you notice that volume of highs starts from below too? Thanks for your feedback.
PVSRA, Some Fine Points & the Art of It

As for volume at lows, I covered that. The volume at highs is more substantial, and the PA pattern (this is the subjective art part) is classic pattern of bears hiking to add shorts = rising prices overall with various tops getting special treatment.

As for bars striking up thru key levels being bars that actually start below the levels, so what? This is the M1 chart. If we had 1 Second charts I bet you'd see that most of that bar volume occurred only after the price when up thru! Actually, if you are watching when these happen, you will often see for yourself that the bars don't obtain their colors until after the price has been mostly moved to it's extreme.
  • #51,834
  • Edited 1:39pm Jun 24, 2013 12:37pm | Edited 1:39pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} AJ Short Trade: Added short trade #3, Classic. Adjusted TP. Edit: Added short #4, Scout (pic.2). Adjusted TP. Typical, once a Classic setup forms and entry is made, the MMs whip the price against the trade! Took advantage of the whip because M1 PVSRA shows at the high of the whip the largest increase in activity occurred, indicating the MMs are bears. {image} {image}
AJ Short Trade:

Added shorts #5, #6 and #7, Scouts. This is "after hours" when the MMs can more easily manipulate prices to where they want them. M1 PVSRA shows increased activity at the new highs, indicating the MMs are bears hiking price to add shorts. Adjusted TP.
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  • #51,835
  • Edited 12:50pm Jun 24, 2013 12:39pm | Edited 12:50pm
Quoting diginime
Hi guys, is there a difference if i use different broker for this templates? as i tried on both different broker, the volume height seems different... it makes me confuse... im on the first pic, which seems like no difference with almost same height for volumes. Any advise would be much appreciated!! {image} {image}
Different brokers, different volumes. Been so stated a thousand times already. And you first logged into this thread nine monts ago, so what is your excuse for not already knowing this?
  • #51,836
  • Jun 24, 2013 12:53pm Jun 24, 2013 12:53pm
Quoting jasakreatif
{quote} may i ask question , its for newbie student , your ep draw by hand or indy and did you forget your ep sometimes ?
All trade component entries were clearly posted at the time they were made, and all showed on the closing post made at the time the trade components were all closed. Other than that, I do not understand your question except to comment that if you bothered to stay abreast of reading the thread, then you would know something of the indicator used.
  • #51,837
  • Jun 24, 2013 1:14pm Jun 24, 2013 1:14pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} AU Short Trade: Added short trade #4. M1 PVSRA shows US MMs hiked price up thru the upper whole number SR and then thru the upper half number SR, each time increasing their trading activity, indicating they are bears driving the price up to stop out/trigger in.....to get liquidity for more of their short orders. Updated TP. {image}
AU Short Trade:

Added short trades #5, #6, #7 and #8, Scouts. M1 PVSRA shows MMs stepping up prices and increasing their trading each time, indicating the MMs are bears hiking price to add shorts. Adjusted TP.
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  • #51,838
  • Jun 24, 2013 1:36pm Jun 24, 2013 1:36pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} AU Short Trade: Added short trades #5, #6, #7 and #8, Scouts. M1 PVSRA shows MMs stepping up prices and increasing their trading each time, indicating the MMs are bears hiking price to add shorts. Adjusted TP. {image}
It's being a very good pump for a Monday in EU, GU and AU, like it.
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  • #51,839
  • Jun 24, 2013 1:50pm Jun 24, 2013 1:50pm
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} It's being a very good pump for a Monday in EU, GU and AU, like it.
Regardless of the pump the US MMs gave these pairs during the London session, they are keeping their lackey traders working on into the afternoon to suck dry any liquidity at upper levels that they can use to get more short orders filled. Tomorrow is a day of multiple USD high impact releases, which the MMs might be planning on using as the catalyst for runs for profits, no matter what information is actually released.
  • #51,840
  • Jun 24, 2013 2:09pm Jun 24, 2013 2:09pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} PVSRA, Some Fine Points & the Art of It As for volume at lows, I covered that. The volume at highs is more substantial, and the PA pattern (this is the subjective art part) is classic pattern of bears hiking to add shorts = rising prices overall with various tops getting special treatment. As for bars striking up thru key levels being bars that actually start below the levels, so what? This is the M1 chart. If we had 1 Second charts I bet you'd see that most of that bar volume occurred only after the price when up thru! Actually, if you...
I fully understand your point of view, however MT4 has no information about volume on lower TFs and if the idea is follow the system, I see that the volume starts from below whole number.

Anyway, thanks for your feedback. We're here to learn: D

Regards.
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