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  • #51,641
  • Jun 20, 2013 11:11am Jun 20, 2013 11:11am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} GJ Short Trade: Added short trades #10 and #11, Scouts. M1 PVSRA shows just at the USD releases the MMs started running the price up thru the 1/2SR, with more activity the higher the price went, indicating the MMs are bears seeking higher prices to add shorts. They added. I added. Adjusted TP. {image} {image}
GJ Short Trade:

Added short trade #12, Scout. It is right at the close of the London Session when the MMs renewed their pushing up of the price on high activity as it passed up thru previous highs. Other than that, there was no new clear PVSRA indication the MMs are bears. But, there was no changed indication either. So, I ventured this addition. Adjusted TP. Unless the MMs push this above the whole number, this might be my last trade component this week for any trade, as I go into the "waiting" mode for things to develop.
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  • #51,642
  • Jun 20, 2013 11:17am Jun 20, 2013 11:17am
Quoting omadivi
{quote} hi, your setup is really nice, i think its a good trend-following system. i am curious about your "MMs", and not sure how you interpret the PVSRA, could you direct me to a post for clarification? personally, i think buying above the dragon and selling below it might be enough, and i prefer setups that match prevailing fundamentals. i am currently short the usd, so i can understand shorting the yen pairs..can you direct me to a post explaining the PVSRA? thanks.
You can find what there is to find by starting at the logical place. The beginning.
  • #51,643
  • Jun 20, 2013 12:02pm Jun 20, 2013 12:02pm
PVSRA, EU: Bulls or Bears?

Bears. PVSRA shows the MMs have again stopped the drop because they want shorts, but don't want to enter them below those prices. So now they are drifitng the price up in after-hours. Light activity, no competition for whatever useable liquidity they reach. Adding shorts as they bump the price whenever the bump gives them the liquidity they can use; stopping out shorts and triggering longs.
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  • #51,644
  • Jun 20, 2013 1:34pm Jun 20, 2013 1:34pm
USDCHF: Still Bullist?
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  • #51,645
  • Jun 20, 2013 1:39pm Jun 20, 2013 1:39pm
USDCAD: Why seem, another time, Bear?
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  • #51,646
  • Edited 3:00pm Jun 20, 2013 2:49pm | Edited 3:00pm
Hello:

First of all, excuse my English but I currently speak Spanish. I'm from Spain. I am trying to understand the SonicR System by reading and reading posts and handbooks (the ones you have created). It is being very difficult for me because english is not my mother language but I suspect I am starting to understand it. Well. I'd like you to watch this picture. Am I doing a correct interpretation?. I am understanding that EUR/USD is going to climb so the logical step is make long positions. Isn't it?. Am I wrong?. Is this kind of interpretation what you call "classic"?

Please, be patients with me. I am doing a very hard job: first translating, second understanding...

Thanks in advance and thanks for this thread.

Regards.

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My mother language is Spanish, so, please, be patient with me.
  • #51,647
  • Jun 20, 2013 3:35pm Jun 20, 2013 3:35pm
Quoting banteka
Hello: First of all, excuse my English but I currently speak Spanish. I'm from Spain. I am trying to understand the SonicR System by reading and reading posts and handbooks (the ones you have created). It is being very difficult for me because english is not my mother language but I suspect I am starting to understand it. Well. I'd like you to watch this picture. Am I doing a correct interpretation?. I am understanding that EUR/USD is going to climb so the logical step is make long positions. Isn't it?. Am I wrong?. Is this kind of interpretation...
classic setups are hardly spoken about here anymore... seems correct but im no expert on classic setups, only thing is id want to trade with the trend. H1 seems alittle bearish.
  • #51,648
  • Jun 20, 2013 3:37pm Jun 20, 2013 3:37pm
fex,

You seem to be having fits with UCad and UChf.

UCad was bull, but seems to have had a decent run, and M15 now shows high activity at last high. Too early to tell if true stopping volume or if just stop the drop so MMs can pull price down and reload more longs.

UChf was bull long time while down and under accumulation (H4). It popped up and has been pulled back for what looks like more long building. If true, there are good implications there for the next run up. To me, if looks like UChf is mimicking UCad, but trailing by a day. If so, it will run up more this last day of the week.

Just keep analyzing. Takes practice. And helps to spot when things might be changing.
  • #51,649
  • Jun 20, 2013 3:51pm Jun 20, 2013 3:51pm
Quoting only20gp
{quote} classic setups are hardly spoken about here anymore... seems correct but im no expert on classic setups, only thing is id want to trade with the trend. H1 seems alittle bearish.
I agree. H1 is extremely bearish. So much so that if price moves up on any M15 Classic setup, it will likely be a head fake. With H1 the way it is, the odds favor waiting for a Classic bear setup.
  • #51,650
  • Jun 20, 2013 4:00pm Jun 20, 2013 4:00pm
Quoting traderathome
fex, You seem to be having fits with UCad and UChf. UCad was bull, but seems to have had a decent run, and M15 now shows high activity at last high. Too early to tell if true stopping volume or if just stop the drop so MMs can pull price down and reload more longs. UChf was bull long time while down and under accumulation (H4). It popped up and has been pulled back for what looks like more long building. If true, there are good implications there for the next run up. To me, if looks like UChf is mimicking UCad, but trailing by a day. If so, it will...
Thanks very much
Quoting traderathome
Just keep analyzing. Takes practice. And helps to spot when things might be changing.
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  • #51,651
  • Jun 20, 2013 4:01pm Jun 20, 2013 4:01pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} GU Short Trade: Added short trade #19, Scout. Adjusted TP. {image}
GU Short Trade:

Added short trade #20, Scout. M1 PVSRA shows MMs hiked price above whole number on and followed by increased activity, indicating they are bears seeking higher prices to add shorts. Adjusted TP.
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  • #51,652
  • Edited 4:29pm Jun 20, 2013 4:02pm | Edited 4:29pm
Quoting only20gp
{quote} classic setups are hardly spoken about here anymore... seems correct but im no expert on classic setups, only thing is id want to trade with the trend. H1 seems alittle bearish.
Quoting traderathome
{quote} I agree. H1 is extremely bearish. So much so that if price moves up on any M15 Classic setup, it will likely be a head fake. With H1 the way it is, the odds favor waiting for a Classic bear setup. {image}

Thank you very much. Your answers help me to understand this method better. Regards.
My mother language is Spanish, so, please, be patient with me.
  • #51,653
  • Jun 20, 2013 4:27pm Jun 20, 2013 4:27pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} I agree. H1 is extremely bearish. So much so that if price moves up on any M15 Classic setup, it will likely be a head fake. With H1 the way it is, the odds favor waiting for a Classic bear setup.
So, now, using PVSRA, would it be possible to await for a price rising to, say, the first resistance, where bears can place shorts and then wait for a price fall?

This understanding is very important for me in order to know whether my assimilation of PVSRA goes in the correct way.

I'm talking about EUR/USD.

Thank you for your patience.
My mother language is Spanish, so, please, be patient with me.
  • #51,654
  • Jun 20, 2013 5:03pm Jun 20, 2013 5:03pm
Woke up to find myself short below the daily pivot on EJ. Climax low on the large bar. Price seems to be moving further on lesser tick volume. So I am looking at perhaps the MM are enticing players to buy this dip? Creating a bull trap maybe? We will know for sure if DR1 holds. Does that analysis make sense?
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  • #51,655
  • Jun 20, 2013 7:11pm Jun 20, 2013 7:11pm
Quoting sonicdeejay
{quote} We will see how it turn out in the morning (8 hrs time).. will love to see 20.4x region hit,,or else???? Nite.. Sonic {image}
So far, I was dead wrong..

UJ Up, SLV dive..
UJ retrace, SLV dive.

Sonic
  • #51,656
  • Jun 20, 2013 7:53pm Jun 20, 2013 7:53pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} As an example, look at M15 EJ. Half number area to half number area, 200 pips apart. Now look at H1 EJ. This pair has a range about 230 pips, which takes price down to the whole number area boxed tomorrow. Half number area to whole number area, 250 pips apart. Will price go down, not up? PVSRA indicates the MMs are bears, but when they decide start moving prices back down is up to them. If the MMs do move the price down tomorrow, will it go to that lower whole number area? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe to the next higher half number area. The...
Quoting jmn5611
Woke up to find myself short below the daily pivot on EJ. Climax low on the large bar. Price seems to be moving further on lesser tick volume. So I am looking at perhaps the MM are enticing players to buy this dip? Creating a bull trap maybe? We will know for sure if DR1 holds. Does that analysis make sense? {image}
PVSRA, EJ: Bulls or Bears?

The low trades count on the tall read bear bar was due to the off hours time of the market. Still, it was a notable increase in trades executed, indicating a selloff from the highs, which the MMs re-attained by the close of the London session. The Frankfurt/London MMs had already had their selloff from those highs. Next was the US MM's turn, which they took after the London session closed. Two strong bear signals.
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  • #51,657
  • Edited 8:31pm Jun 20, 2013 8:08pm | Edited 8:31pm
PVSRA, EU: Bulls or Bears?

We can determine if bulls or bears are running the show. We can never know their next move. Does it matter? No! Any high is a shorting opportunity. The MMs create them to advantage themselves. Why can't we take advantage? We can. When will they run the price lower? Who cares! Until then, take advantage! When they do run the price lower to make profits for themselves, they will be working for you, too, making profits for you!

Building a Position with Scouts
Remember, we can know if the MMs are bulls or bears. We can never know their next move. Trade very light relative to account size so when they move price to their advantage you can take advantage also, no matter how far, no matter how long they move the price. This is the manner in which to build a trade, qualifying all Sonic R. System Scout entries along the way with ongoing PVSRA.

Trading the SonicR Classic
Wait for a Classic setup in the Bear direction. Enter as appropriate. Then, if the MMs reverse it on you and PVSRA continues to indicate they remain bears, simply add short Scouts as appropriate.

-tah
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  • #51,658
  • Jun 20, 2013 8:42pm Jun 20, 2013 8:42pm
Interesting, tick volume at this hour approaches the climax low volume for the large bear bar. but price is not reacting. A divergence if we were dealing with oscillators. If the bulls cannot take the Frankfurt session, then we are indeed going to get a test of the last swing low.
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  • #51,659
  • Jun 20, 2013 9:12pm Jun 20, 2013 9:12pm
Quoting jmn5611
Interesting, tick volume at this hour approaches the climax low volume for the large bear bar. but price is not reacting. A divergence if we were dealing with oscillators. If the bulls cannot take the Frankfurt session, then we are indeed going to get a test of the last swing low. {image}
Just a note. You refer to "tick volume". If you mean "volume" coming in per tick, that is correct. If you mean the volume of ticks is what the bars indicate, that is not correct. With each incoming tick, the "volume" data included is the number of trades processed on the broker server since the previous tick was sent out. Each tick can denote "volume" of more than "1"! So, "Volume" is not the count of ticks, it is the count of trades executed on the broker server, and each tick adds the additional trades executed since the last tick.

Forex volume is broker server trades executed.
  • #51,660
  • Jun 20, 2013 10:08pm Jun 20, 2013 10:08pm
Quoting sonicdeejay
{quote} So far, I was dead wrong.. UJ Up, SLV dive.. UJ retrace, SLV dive. Sonic
Still in the race.. 19.3x as shakeout??

I would love to see 20.4x

Sonic
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