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  • #51,601
  • Jun 20, 2013 4:44am Jun 20, 2013 4:44am
Quoting FXaddicted
{quote} I can more than handle the heat. Like I've mentioned before, I'll put my money where my mouth is. You can track my progress here: http://www.myfxbook.com/members/Fine...mentcom/612886 Lets get a grip on reality. The way TaH is trading at the moment is reckless. It is not sustainable. He can trade his demo account the way he likes but I think many people on this thread are being taken for a ride in the wrong direction. This thread is bigger than one person. We should not be shot down for having differing...
Agree again with you, there is so many ways to trade using PVSRA and Sonic R System. You have yours and it seems you are doing great. Maybe you could post a pic of your next entry (or entries) with the argument behind that entry to show us your method. It's cool to see different points of view.

Sonic has his way, you have yours, Dmitry, etc. It's nice to learn from you and your different points
To fail is just an opportunity to learn
  • #51,602
  • Jun 20, 2013 4:53am Jun 20, 2013 4:53am
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} Agree again with you, there is so many ways to trade using PVSRA and Sonic R System. You have yours and it seems you are doing great. Maybe you could post a pic of your next entry (or entries) with the argument behind that entry to show us your method. It's cool to see different points of view. Sonic has his way, you have yours, Dmitry, etc. It's nice to learn from you and your different points
Thanks Tymedu. Great to get some positive feedback. Like I said, I just want to show people of this thread that there are other ways to trade and TaH is not an all conquering dictator.

This thread should be about collaborating together and sharing different view points on the market. Everyone will be better off for it. There is no need for the negativity and insults when someone has a different view nor should they be shot down in front of everyone.
  • #51,603
  • Edited 6:58am Jun 20, 2013 4:53am | Edited 6:58am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Thank your for the reply. My question is, why not use a stop? You missed the run-up, but with a pair like the yen, a 200 pip move is a distinct possibility. Why not just take the small loss? Scaling is good to use, but holding losers is something I have never seen end well over the long run. You can accumulate a string of these, which will force you into a martingale, and then things could just really go south. So my question is, why hold?
PVSRA: Bulls or Bears?

Jmn5611,

Excellent question. The answer is PVSRA.

PVSRA has been, was at the time of entry, and still is indicating the MMs are bears (GJ). We all know that bears can put on bullish price action to advantage themselves as they build their positions. We also should accept that no matter how good things look at an entry, the MMs can at any time suddenly move price opposite the trade. Since we cannot be guaranteed from minute to minute which way the price will go next, but we can know if the MMs are bulls or bears, why not go with the analysis. The analysis that is PVSRA, when done well, is a sure thing. Nothing else is!

Would you rather go with a sure thing, even if the ride has a temporary detour and which can actually be to your advantage if you are prepared to take advantage? Or would you rather continue to go with the unknowns? I have been demonstrating this for nigh on to twelve weeks now, and some still don't get it.

I am a USofA trader. I cannot hedge (opened opposite positions). I cannot arbitrarily close positions. I have to close first in, first out, etc. The only way around these severe disadvantages is to use mulitple accounts, which I have been doing. However, since PVSRA I have proved for eleven week straight now, under the most unpredictable and severe market conditions, that even such a disadvantaged trader can beat the market at its own game. Some cry over being tied up in a trade, and even adding to it while price continues to move against the trade. They ignore PVSRA and they ignore the way the market works. I don't ignore PVSRA nor the way the market works. With PVSRA I can now, even as a disadvantaged trader in the USofA, trade like the professionals trade,......profitably.

PVSRA is why I stay in such trades. PVSRA is my Equalizer! Sure, some day I might have to close a multiple part trade for a loss. And should that time come, there will no doubt be those that are lurking around for just such an event, that will come in tooting their little horns and spewing their ignorance and negativism all around. But the pips lost, though in the thousands likely, will be but a mere drop in the bucket compared to all the previous gains made, for me as they are for professional traders when it happens to them. For the eleven weeks running now, I have banked 36,846 pips. Do you think that I, or anyone eles in this position, worries about possibly having to close a bad trade once in awhile? Should it happen, it will be nothing more than a normal business expense. And, I am already up an additional 4,620 pips this week.

Finally, please do not misunderstand my tone. I am not arrogant about PVSRA. I am happy. I have suffered such "turned bad" entries for years. I have always wished there was something that could be done about it. There isn't. It is the way of the market. But there is a way to qualify the market, qualify the Classic, and once having jumped onto the MMs back, there is a way to keep qualifying them and let them carry you around with them so you can add as they add, and so you can profit when they profit. For this, I am happy. For this, I am greatly relieved. For this, I am more profitable than ever before. For this, I pray to God my thanks.

For me, the Sonic R. System using PVSRA to qualify Classics and Scouts is better than it has ever been. We can define a Classic setup and entry, but we cannot assure how the price will move, no matter how good the setup is. I don't know which way price will go next. Nobody else does, either. Neither does the analysis that is PVSRA. However, PVSRA does let us know if the price movers are bulls or bears. This is where I trust my money. I don't give up perfectly good trades to SLs as others do, as the MMs intend people to do. This is how I now trade. Others can trade as they wish.

Jmn5611, I hope this answers your question fully. And to all Sonicers reading this, I hope you all now understand fully because I don't know any better, different way to present this. And to all my doubters and name callers, if you don't understand all this by now then there is nothing else anyone could say to you that would make any difference. http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...74#post6755374

-tah
  • #51,604
  • Jun 20, 2013 4:57am Jun 20, 2013 4:57am
Quoting FXaddicted
{quote} Thanks Tymedu. Great to get some positive feedback. Like I said, I just want to show people of this thread that there are other ways to trade and TaH is not an all conquering dictator. This thread should be about collaborating together and sharing different view points on the market. Everyone will be better off for it. There is no need for the negativity and insults when someone has a different view nor should they be shot down in front of everyone.
Dude, you are on fire today. +1 again.

But don't be unfair with TAH, because he never said his way is the only way. Actually he said several times that the most responsible and conservative way is to wait for a classic proper entry. He is just showing us his way. He can success or he can fail, but he is just trying to share his way.

At the end, it's our responsability to trade as we want, not TAH's, not yours, not Sonic's or not mine. We are here to share our thoughts. Sometimes we will agree, sometimes we won't. That is why this thread is so nice.
To fail is just an opportunity to learn
  • #51,605
  • Jun 20, 2013 4:58am Jun 20, 2013 4:58am
When I first started working as a commodity trader after university, a senior trader at the time gave me a printed out version of this. I think it's a really valuable tool for trading in any market. So much so, I have it printed out in my office.

Hopefully, you get something out of it.

http://www.sfu.ca/~poitras/Rules.pdf
  • #51,606
  • Jun 20, 2013 5:11am Jun 20, 2013 5:11am
I know it's too soon to talk about this, but I don't see this scenario impossible due to the current situation in the Eurozone. Anyway, just a fantasy and pure speculation xD

Btw, it's the EU weekly chart.
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  • #51,607
  • Jun 20, 2013 5:13am Jun 20, 2013 5:13am
Quoting Tymedu
I know it's too soon to talk about this, but I don't see this scenario impossible due to the current situation in the Eurozone. Anyway, just a fantasy and pure speculation xD Btw, it's the EU weekly chart. {image}

Keep in mind that we have US unemployment claims, manufacturing PMI and home sales in few hours. Do you think that the data can reverse the bearish trend?
  • #51,608
  • Jun 20, 2013 5:17am Jun 20, 2013 5:17am
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} Discussion closed for me. I just wanted to help you, you didn't accept it and it's ok. For the health of the thread, let's finish it . Sorry if I bothered you, didn't know you won your first million at 22 and you are practicing in a demo. I just wanted to help, my bad. Have a nice day.
Yes i won out of the net, with my own company But this is another history. Take care and grow! Bye! (Disccusion never open for me)
All my trades are in demo, dont do these things at home without permission!
  • #51,609
  • Jun 20, 2013 5:26am Jun 20, 2013 5:26am
Quoting VanDerTroll
{quote} Keep in mind that we have US unemployment claims, manufacturing PMI and home sales in few hours. Do you think that the data can reverse the bearish trend?
If the data is extremely bad for US we could see a pullback of course. But most of the traders just took their shorts recently and it's hard to see a reversal, at least today. But a pullback in EU to the 1.33 zone is not impossible at all. This markdown phase is being powerful and price also needs to breath.

We could never now what will do the price, that's for sure. But I will be surprise if EU reach 1.34 again this week.
To fail is just an opportunity to learn
  • #51,610
  • Jun 20, 2013 5:53am Jun 20, 2013 5:53am
Would just like to thank Prof TAH and Master sonic for diligently posting their tips and trades. PLEASE DO NOT STOP.


It is very useful opinion for everyone to decide on trading. When i decided on a trade, i come here for validation.

Thanks
  • #51,611
  • Edited 6:20am Jun 20, 2013 6:05am | Edited 6:20am
When I was starting out... there were no hater,,debaters.. Just me and few guys that come and go...and TAH came along...


But now here I am, here we are... After 9 millions views...



We have so many "gurus" in my thread now... Do not expect us to respect you..unless you have shown enough..

We showed our entries as we trades and posted as we closed..,

You "ALL" have seen the results.
We have shown positive results that mean we are doing thing right.
If you have better way or results.. Open you own threads... Stop wasting your precious time on us...


Inserted Video



Here I am...
Sonic
  • #51,612
  • Jun 20, 2013 6:49am Jun 20, 2013 6:49am
Quoting sonicdeejay
When I was starting out... there were no hater,,debaters.. Just me and few guys that come and go...and TAH came along... But now here I am, here we are... After 9 millions views... We have so many "gurus" in my thread now... Do not expect us to respect you..unless you have shown enough.. We showed our entries as we trades and posted as we closed.., You "ALL" have seen the results. We have shown positive results that mean we are doing thing right. If you have better way or results.. Open you own threads... Stop wasting your precious...

back to square no one , over trading is my sin , never get the lesson
  • #51,613
  • Jun 20, 2013 7:08am Jun 20, 2013 7:08am
maybe.. the haters starting post because they copied one of us with miss interpret and over leverage and got kill, just like me , old time ago

i miss interpreted , and copied weekly bias.

it was micro acc , starter, tiny but real acc , the spirit will come if this tiny became big .

Quoting jasakreatif
cant use stoploss because almost mc, now i'm waiting "the weekly bullish" come true, so i can open this hegde {image}
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and most people give up after fail , i failed at that time but not give up . now i have one better acc.

cheers , ( $ 2,5 million for haze http://www.microsofttranslator.com/b...alimantan.html )
  • #51,614
  • Jun 20, 2013 7:24am Jun 20, 2013 7:24am
I do not trade this trade at all or will trade with small lot..

I see only limited downside not lower than 19.9xx .... possible UP...


Sonic
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  • #51,615
  • Jun 20, 2013 7:38am Jun 20, 2013 7:38am
Quoting jasakreatif
{quote} i change tp to S2 , couse this waterfall to heavy, so made analyse for possible range . late to post cause edited the pic , how to add pic that we have posted before ? , i should post the pic twice with this ff new template {image}
back to original tp , closed , need sleep tonight .

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  • #51,616
  • Jun 20, 2013 8:15am Jun 20, 2013 8:15am
GU: What exactly are the MMs doing now? Trying to trick people into longs before the USD existing home sales news?
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  • #51,617
  • Jun 20, 2013 8:17am Jun 20, 2013 8:17am
Quoting Cheng
GU: What exactly are the MMs doing now? Trying to trick people into longs before the USD existing home sales news? {image}

That is called consolidation.
There is no spoon....
  • #51,618
  • Jun 20, 2013 8:17am Jun 20, 2013 8:17am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} PVSRA: Bulls or Bears? Jmn5611, Excellent question. The answer is PVSRA. PVSRA has been, was at the time of entry, and still is indicating the MMs are bears (GJ). We all know that bears can put on bullish price action to advantage themselves as they build their positions. We also should accept that no matter how good things look at an entry, the MMs can at any time suddenly move price opposite the trade. Since we cannot be guaranteed from minute to minute which way the price will go next, but we can know if the MMs are bulls or bears, why...

Yes, you fully answered the question, and in a professional manner. That is rare on these boards. I do not see you as arrogant about PVRSA, in fact, several here at FF have been developing this concept, but I think you have spent the most time on it. I have the sonic tunnel and MA coded into one of my indicators, so I see where price is relative to it without having it on my charts, which is why I do not post trades.

Essentially to recap, you are not worried about going against the tape so long as you see the MM pushing price up on what is perceived as a bearish pattern.

It is an interesting concept, I think I will join in here and see what my skills can bring to the table. I like your approach, I am from the states also, so I have to use Oanda to get anything done. Think I am going to hang around here for a bit. I trade only the EURJPY and will consider myself a student on this thread. I look forward to further correspondence.

Best
James
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #51,619
  • Jun 20, 2013 8:20am Jun 20, 2013 8:20am
PVSRA, EU: Bulls or Bears?

MMs stopped the drop and have manueuvered price back above whole number SR, where they continuously trade heavier, ahead of major releases. PVSRA indicates the MMs = bears.

Though PVSRA indicates the MMs are bears, they could be nasty bears. In conjunction with the releases they could put on whipsawing again. Remember, the US MMs are at the table now, and no MMs do this nasty stuff better than they do.
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  • #51,620
  • Jun 20, 2013 8:29am Jun 20, 2013 8:29am
Quoting Msis125125
{quote} That is called consolidation.
I understand it is a consolidation period but I can't figure out are they selling at the highs or buying at the lows. I always can't read the charts. It seems that there are always increase activity at the lows and highs
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