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  • #51,001
  • Jun 12, 2013 5:53pm Jun 12, 2013 5:53pm
Well I am in Portugal. Clean your guns...
There is no spoon....
  • #51,002
  • Jun 12, 2013 5:55pm Jun 12, 2013 5:55pm
Quoting Msis125125
Well I am in Portugal. Clean your guns...
Portugal. Ok, just my blunderbuss should do it.
  • #51,003
  • Jun 12, 2013 5:59pm Jun 12, 2013 5:59pm
So where are u drinking coffee bro?
There is no spoon....
  • #51,004
  • Jun 12, 2013 6:06pm Jun 12, 2013 6:06pm
Quoting Msis125125
So where are u drinking coffee bro?
As far from my keyboard as possible. Blew out my favorite keyboard once. I really miss it. Aribba, debajo, acentro, adentro,....and some on the keyboard.
  • #51,005
  • Edited 6:26pm Jun 12, 2013 6:10pm | Edited 6:26pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} What coast are you nearest? (I need to clean my guns.)

TAH have you made ever a mistake?
Wrote on forum ?
I pasted chart eur / usd
bulls reach circa 1.339, next 1.3470
You do not see losses in the accounts of friends?

How many scout you have EU 17? 20?
What if 30? 40? Mental SL, market go up, next scout, sl up, going up, next scout, next mental sl up.
This is crazy..

EDIT: TAH i'm not black swan. Please look at
http://fxtrade.oanda.com/analysis/hi...al-open-orders
You can see where are MM SL and targets.
I could be wrong, but who is infallible...
  • #51,006
  • Jun 12, 2013 6:37pm Jun 12, 2013 6:37pm
Quoting Markus67
{quote} TAH have you made ever a mistake? Wrote on forum ? I pasted chart eur / usd bulls reach circa 1.339, next 1.3470 You do not see losses in the accounts of friends? How many scout you have EU 17? 20? What if 30? 40? Mental SL, market go up, next scout, sl up, going up, next scout, next mental sl up. This is crazy.. EDIT: TAH i'm not black swan. Please look at http://fxtrade.oanda.com/analysis/hi...al-open-orders You can see where are MM SL and targets. I could be wrong, but who is infallible...
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes, but they are not victims. They made their own decisions to use trades too large in size to be able to properly conduct the building process. After repeated warnings, too!
4. 19.
5. No, it is not.
6. Not interested in how the herd trades.
7. Yes, you could be. We all are at times.
  • #51,007
  • Jun 12, 2013 6:49pm Jun 12, 2013 6:49pm
Hello all Sonicers,
Need some help...
i use to be an avid reader of this thread, not posting much, but reader. i'm still trying to learn and test the system (SonicR, PVRSA and SonicR+PVRSA).
due to busy life i've lost the train and it toke me 4 days to catch up again. nevertheless, i haven't update myself to the most recent TAH's release (God bless you TAH, you are one of finnest man on hearth!).
as i said, i still testing the system. Recentley a great trader (Islander... i think it was him!) posted a indicator that i been ludding with old version Sonic Volume.
with that indi, (market profile) i see that yesterday, all sessions (Asia, Europe and US) had the biggest part of daily volume compreended between 96.700 and 96.200.
maybe you can not see it with actual PVRSA.
i drawed an rectangle defining the area. (which i believe to be either consolidation or distribution).
can anyone help me read the recent action outside that rectangle?

Ps: this might look out of the scoope of this thread... but is not... just trying to see PVRSA in a different way...

any help, comments, or critics...
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  • #51,008
  • Jun 12, 2013 7:04pm Jun 12, 2013 7:04pm
Sorry, forgot to mention on previous post... my reading is that the action (recent) below rectangle are IMO bulls loading... may i be right?
If you don't know how to earn money, don't loose it.
  • #51,009
  • Jun 12, 2013 7:10pm Jun 12, 2013 7:10pm
Which pair, what post, bulls, what?
There is no spoon....
  • #51,010
  • Edited 7:24pm Jun 12, 2013 7:11pm | Edited 7:24pm
Quoting coolmakina
Hello all Sonicers, Need some help... i use to be an avid reader of this thread, not posting much, but reader. i'm still trying to learn and test the system (SonicR, PVRSA and SonicR+PVRSA). due to busy life i've lost the train and it toke me 4 days to catch up again. nevertheless, i haven't update myself to the most recent TAH's release (God bless you TAH, you are one of finnest man on hearth!). as i said, i still testing the system. can anyone help me read the recent action outside that rectangle? Ps: this might look out of the scoope of this...
coolmakina,

What makes PVSRA work is that the MMs have habits. Knowing those habits enables us to determine what they are doing. With your UJ example, the only way to perform PVSRA is to look where the MMs move price to before they increase their trading.

Here, on M30, you can see they moved the price above the 97.00 whole number SR and followed up with increased trading while the price was high. All easily seen on M1. Hence, the MMs were bears. It is as simple as that. And you can see these bear MMs heavily sold off after that.

On M15 you can clearly see that again the MMs hike price, this time above the 96.00 whole number SR, twice, with increased trading following. All easily seen on M1. Again, PVSRA provided confirmation the MMs remained bears. And again you can see these bear MMs heavily sold off after that.

If you try to do what you want to still call PVSRA via some other method, using some other indicators, then you are not doing the analysis that is PVSRA. You will be doing something else. Don't fix what ain't broke! PVSRA is elegantly simple and effective, and it beats hands down whatever is in second place. So why are you trying to do things differently? Well, that is your decision.

Also, I recommend you update to the current indicators and template and do not add anything else. You don't need anything else and anything else will just complicate your life and degrade your trading results.
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  • #51,011
  • Jun 12, 2013 7:12pm Jun 12, 2013 7:12pm
Hey Msis,
USDJPY.
Thanks,
If you don't know how to earn money, don't loose it.
  • #51,012
  • Jun 12, 2013 7:30pm Jun 12, 2013 7:30pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} coolmakina, What makes PVSRA work is that the MMs have habits. Knowing those habits enables us to determine what they are doing. With your UJ example, the only way to perform PVSRA is to look where the MMs move price to before they increase their trading. Here, on M30, you can see they moved the price above the 97.00 whole number SR and followed up with increased trading while the price was high. All easily seen on M1. Hence, the MMs were bears. It is as simple as that. And you can see these bear MMs heavily sold off after that. If you try...
Tah,
once again, thanks.
your comments are enourmously apreciated.
in defense of my ignorance, i must say it's not easy to catch your reading... i can only dream of one day be half capable of read PVRSA as you and many here are doing.
PVRSA is not easy. Proved to be great, and profitable. Agree. but really not easy.
That's why i'm trying to use it on my way... in the end i'm just trying to spot Acumulation/Distribution/Mark_ups/Mark_down and PVRSA inside and outside those areas.
Not willing to fix what is running fine, or throwing junk to this thread... just trying survive and make a living...
Your system and SonicR is already great as it is.
sorry for the noise caused!

now (taking the oportunity), on your m30 chart i'm reading doble bottom with high activity. right below 95.250 (quarter number) may i read bull loading?

just asking (don't throw me the spoon!)
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  • #51,013
  • Jun 12, 2013 7:31pm Jun 12, 2013 7:31pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} What makes PVSRA work is that the MMs have habits. Knowing those habits enables us to determine what they are doing. With your UJ example, the only way to perform PVSRA is to look where the MMs move price to before they increase their trading.
TAH out of my own guilty curiosity (don't answer if this has been asked or covered) is the SR in PVSRA just the round and quarter numbers? I have read several posts with your opinion that one cannot really trade based on S & R or Demand & Supply levels or zones so I was really curious how the S&R came to be part of your new method.

Curiosity killed the cat but I just had to ask.
Today's zone = Tomorrow's opportunity!
  • #51,014
  • Jun 12, 2013 7:41pm Jun 12, 2013 7:41pm
Quoting coolmakina
{quote} Tah, once again, thanks. your comments are enourmously apreciated. in defense of my ignorance, i must say it's not easy to catch your reading... i can only dream of one day be half capable of read PVRSA as you and many here are doing. PVRSA is not easy. Proved to be great, and profitable. Agree. but really not easy. That's why i'm trying to use it on my way... in the end i'm just trying to spot Acumulation/Distribution/Mark_ups/Mark_down and PVRSA inside and outside those areas. Not willing to fix what is running fine, or throwing junk to...
PVSRA is easy. You just haven't taken the proper time to understand it. Do you want to know how easy it is. Ok, Listen up. Which side of signifcant SR levels do the MMs put the price before they increase their trading? Above? Bears! Below? Bulls!

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING can be more simple! If you say you can't understand that then either you are lying or you don't have enough gray matter between the ears to attempt to be a trader. (just joking)

Double Bottom? Could be. Time is needed to see what subsequent PVSRA indications develop. The high activity could be just stopping volume so the MMs can repump and resume shorting. Or, it could be reversal volume. Time with ongoing PVSRA is needed to see which.

-tah
  • #51,015
  • Jun 12, 2013 7:45pm Jun 12, 2013 7:45pm
Enter Long EU:
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  • #51,016
  • Jun 12, 2013 7:49pm Jun 12, 2013 7:49pm
Quoting pres78
{quote} TAH out of my own guilty curiosity (don't answer if this has been asked or covered) is the SR in PVSRA just the round and quarter numbers? I have read several posts with your opinion that one cannot really trade based on S & R or Demand & Supply levels or zones so I was really curious how the S&R came to be part of your new method. Curiosity killed the cat but I just had to ask.
Yes, other "historic" SR levels are to be considered. And they can sometimes be the important ones when price is near one and the MMs are having difficulty moving greater distances either due to blocking orders or no orders at all to step thru. But nothing trumps the whole number SR and the half number SR. When the MMs drive prices across them and increase their trading,.....well, from what we have seen so far, you can pawn your wife on the reliability of that signal.
  • #51,017
  • Edited 8:04pm Jun 12, 2013 7:52pm | Edited 8:04pm
Just a comment on Market Makers. Remember their job is to create liquidity. Remember there has to be a party on the opposite side of the trade. If everyone is buying say the EU then the market makers job is to take the sell side of the trade even if it is a loosing trade. They know at some point they will dump these losers as winners when the market returns to this price.

The market moves in waves and cycles for a reason mostly to clear their books of losing and winning trades. These market makers do not ever take a loss. They simply average their position at an opportune time. Remember they are constantly taking profits on trades were traders take losses. They likely hold the majority of the winning side of the trades as this is their function. Yes they have unlimited monies to a point. They simply move their profits from one closed trade to average their losing trade. Their formula is very similar to TAH's.

Like TAH said the reason they preach stop loss is they make money everytime you take a loss. With PVSRA we have an insite as to where they are building positions as market makers. This does not mean the markets will reverse on a dime even though sometimes they do.

So what is my point. A trade is not a loss until it is closed. There is a reason they allow 500 to 1 trading and it is because most traders are greedy. They will over trade their account and they know this. They use this to their benefit every day. If you trade at less than 1/2 times leverage and only add at the areas that volume is strong you stand to be on the winning side of the trade. What do I mean at less than 1/2 times leverage. If you have a $10,000 account you should not have open more than 3 times leverage no more than $30000 combined on all trades and in my opinion if you are new never more than $10,000 or 1 times leverage. That means you can afford a 9000 pip draw down likely even if you try you wont achieve this on one trade. If you have a $10,000 account then you need to decide how much leverage you will ever have open at one time. If you plan to trade many currency pairs at once you need to understand you true leverage. Remember trading the EU and GU both long can compound your losses. Remember most of the time the us crosses move in the same direction. If the EU goes long often more than not the GU will go long as well. This is the same for the yen crosses. Now I like to short the EU and GU when I buy the AU and NU. Why because the AU and NU pay interest to hold long. Now rollup was last night and the AU and NU did what they do best and rallied. This supported the GU and EU as they tend to move in like directions. You really need to think about your strategy as a trader. If you want to trade like MM you need to think like them as well.

Remember the only way the MM can make money or lose money is when you close your trade. Trade small and be nimble.
Also remember that if you take 10 trades and lose 100pips that is equal to losing 1000pips. If you trade large then the MM have all the advantage. They simply move the market until you can no longer stand the pain. You cry uncle or get a margin call and they win.

So trade wisely and keep it small not every trade has to be a lotto ticket. I am currently testing how many trades you can have open on the 6 week cycle of the market and still make money. I will try and keep you posted. May the pips be with you.
  • #51,018
  • Jun 12, 2013 7:59pm Jun 12, 2013 7:59pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} PVSRA is easy. You just haven't taken the proper time to understand it. Do you want to know how easy it is. Ok, Listen up. Which side of signifcant SR levels do the MMs put the price before they increase their trading? Above? Bears! Below? Bulls! Nothing, and I mean NOTHING can be more simple! If you say you can't understand that then either you are lying or you don't have enough gray matter between the ears to attempt to be a trader. (just joking) Double Bottom? Could be. Time is needed to see what subsequent PVSRA indications develop....
Thanks,
since i'm not lying i must be dumb!
ahhahahahahah....
thank's man. you have been great help... again.
now the dumb trader is going to sleep.
i will check in the morning this reading.
If you don't know how to earn money, don't loose it.
  • #51,019
  • Jun 12, 2013 8:18pm Jun 12, 2013 8:18pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Yes, other "historic" SR levels are to be considered. And they can sometimes be the important ones when price is near one and the MMs are having difficulty moving greater distances either due to blocking orders or no orders at all to step thru. But nothing trumps the whole number SR and the half number SR. When the MMs drive prices across them and increase their trading,.....well, from what we have seen so far, you can pawn your wife on the reliability of that signal.
Well thanks for responding and I do agree that round and half numbers are to be paid attention to and I do use them in my trading. I do not agree that MM driving price from below to above a whole or half number automatically = MM selling (reverse for from above)... Increased activity at the highs while can be a sign of selling and distribution it is not (well not for me anyway) so cut and dry that I could ever sell this alone. Activity on the highs or on the upbars through the levels depending on what is to the left on the chart can also = MM absorbing latent supply orders to take price higher if the old drop and buy wasn't quite enough to do it...

Anyway thanks again for responding and keep up the hard work you have and continue to put into this thread.
Today's zone = Tomorrow's opportunity!
  • #51,020
  • Jun 12, 2013 8:20pm Jun 12, 2013 8:20pm
MM just added huge short. I think it is a "long" short we have been waiting for. Sucked SL at the Asian session, spike the price just above 1.3360 and start crashing the price down. Now I see they are bear. Now it is clear.
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