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  • #50,501
  • Jun 6, 2013 12:22pm Jun 6, 2013 12:22pm
About Today's Moves

Look at EU and GU. EU moved well over 200 pips from mid-range yesterday. GU moved close to 300 pips. Now, look at the volumes. You will see high volume starting the price manipulations. You will see high volume at the end of the price manipulations. Actually, there is more of the latter than the former, so PVSRA still has the MMs as bears. The average price of the positions taken by the MMs as they manipulated the price upwards is, of course, somewhere in between the lows and highs of the price manipulations. When the MMs later (tomorrow?) drive prices back down, their average price will be very profitable for them. Not only that, but now they have huge positions on which to make profits! You will also note that the prices are falling back down.

These moves up are good. I am glad they happened. They will make more profits for me, as they will for the MMs, because I took advantage of them to some degree. These moves are good for all who aspire to learn PVSRA. Now there can be no denying the sensibility of trading very light versus how you used to trade. Also, there will be no denying the validity of PVSRA when the prices later go back down.

The moves today rank as extreme and therefore amongst the rare. Nevertheless, be moves small or great, they are done for the same reasons. And PVSRA shows us if bulls or bears are behind the moves.
  • #50,502
  • Jun 6, 2013 12:22pm Jun 6, 2013 12:22pm
Keeping an eye some months ago I've seen pumps until 3500 and 4000, up to two days in a row to reach 8000 points.

I think the best things we could do is to establish a money management that could cover these kind of margins.
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  • #50,503
  • Jun 6, 2013 12:23pm Jun 6, 2013 12:23pm
Quoting Msis125125
Well my friends who tank your account here your chance to double a new one. Stopping volume with shooting star on H1. Who survive that big respect to you all. {image}
I already took this short on both GU & EU with small size & with small SL this time as i already have 20% drawdown & can't add more losing positions running in the wrong direction

And a friendly advice for everyone when you trade PVSRA TRADE SMALL unless you looking for margin call
  • #50,504
  • Jun 6, 2013 12:23pm Jun 6, 2013 12:23pm
This is fuckin war today. Still shorting on the EU, still hangin.Let's see..
  • #50,505
  • Jun 6, 2013 12:24pm Jun 6, 2013 12:24pm
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} I hope there is only a small account.
Yes, sir! It was really small account, created for gaming. Demo account is not suitable for me, so i prefer real money. Master Sonic and prof TAH, make lot of warnings for us. Maybe some newcomers will be more cautions, if read about our lost accounts.
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  • #50,506
  • Jun 6, 2013 12:28pm Jun 6, 2013 12:28pm
Now I see EU short opportunity. High volume with doji.
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  • #50,507
  • Jun 6, 2013 12:38pm Jun 6, 2013 12:38pm
Boys be carefull...

When all people in the forum says oh my god im going to stop, prices stopped and they are going a little bit down, because all people is thiking in re-enter.

I dont discard another pump... Wait a bit before adding more shorts...
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  • #50,508
  • Jun 6, 2013 12:44pm Jun 6, 2013 12:44pm
Quoting o0AxeL0o
Boys be carefull... When all people in the forum says oh my god im going to stop, prices stopped and they are going a little bit down, because all people is thiking in re-enter. I dont discard another pump... Wait a bit before adding more shorts...
o0AxeL0o,

Absolutely! And if not today (it is now "off hours") then tomorrow; maybe in the Asian session, or in the LS, or both. Remember, more USD high impacts tomorrow, which provide opportunities for great volatility. And if the MMs remain bears, that means more upside spiking is not out of the question.
  • #50,509
  • Jun 6, 2013 12:50pm Jun 6, 2013 12:50pm
GU short trade. 1h doji with extreme activity. I'll hope they not push the price up 200-300 pips again.
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  • #50,510
  • Jun 6, 2013 2:07pm Jun 6, 2013 2:07pm
Quoting Tymedu
{quote} Now it's time to PVSRA sucks, 3 days ago PVSRA rocks. Chill dude, we are all suffering here with this pump. The "positive" part of this is that all this movement is MM's working. No news, not an Apocalypse, just MM's doing the biggest pump I ever saw since I'm trader.
The MMs can ultimately shift the PP at a whim defying technical analysis. Today was a case showing importance of the sonic dragon to PVSRA analysis.
  • #50,511
  • Jun 6, 2013 2:10pm Jun 6, 2013 2:10pm
Hello everyone. I am sorry for those who suffered the crash of the dollar (affecting the Euro, GBP, and the Yen). From an earlier post (http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...77#post6733477) I had exited a buy of the UJ. After some time, Sonic R signaled a sell, as well as for a buy for the EU pair later during the outbreak (both on M15). Trading via the classic system actually saved me this time giving me a total of +40 pips from each pair. These were my 2nd and 3rd trade of this system. Here, I've only collected 30% profit from these moves as I did not expect them to go as far as they did. Also I had RR at 1:2 or higher. Attached are the charts of the EP for the trades. SL is once again nearest SR.

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  • #50,512
  • Jun 6, 2013 2:28pm Jun 6, 2013 2:28pm
This is the perfect moment for TAH's comment to be repeated:

PVSRA, Is There A Bubble Here That Could Burst?

Apollo14, Actually, there have been some components that "failed", as I reported. If I understand correctly, because of the success shown for nine weeks running, you are concerned that there just has to be an impending downside, and a big downside at that!


Nope.


You see, compare logically the building of positions to taking a single position. Suppose a single position is taken and a 100 pips SL is set and the SL is hit. Ok, that situation is readily understood; 100 pips loss. Now, consider building a position using ten entries that are one-tenth the size and starting at where the single large entry was made. Each subsequent one tenth sized entry gets added as the price moves to the SL. The SL is hit. All one-tenth sized entries are stopped out, sure enough. The number of pips lost is much less, though, probably about half as many as with the single trade because the average of the ten one-tenth sized positions is much closer to the SL!


The only downside to building a position using PVSRA is that if price never pulls back on the trade, if the price only goes forward and the position is built that way, the pips gained at the Take Profit level will be less since not all the trade components were added at the first Entry Point. Ask any trader, though, and if they are experienced they will say that they'd much rather have it that way, less profit in exchange for less loss, because they know a trade that only moves in the positive direction is rare compared to trades that involve pullbacks in the negative direction. PVSRA lets you know when it is to your advantage (more future profit from the trade) to add to your trade on those pullbacks.


So, light all the matches in hand that you want to, and celebrate!


All I can do for the Sonic R. System thread is to demonstrate via my real-time trades just how much more effective against the market position building is compared to single entry trading. I cannot control how the market moves. I cannot know where will be the tops and bottoms, or any other "best" entry, nor do I think can anyone else. What I can do is pepper the price swings with entries that are in the correct direction according to PVSRA, and when PVSRA indicates I should do so. Then, when the market finally makes a break for profits, it will make my trade profitable. That is essentially what I have been doing. That is essentially what the market has been doing.


Apply the same single SL to all the positions being built, the same SL as you would have for a single entry trade. If the SL is hit, you won't lose as much as with the single entry trade.

  • #50,513
  • Jun 6, 2013 2:38pm Jun 6, 2013 2:38pm
Quoting Cjn
{quote} Hey Tomek, I also think the volume you see in the indicator is tick volume. That's why I don't use the PVSRA method and am still enjoying my GBPUSD long trade. On the other hand, it seems to work out very well foor TAH, so who am I to rain on is parade, right? Cheers.

Sure, this is not the case.

TAH wrote, that volume in MT4 shows executed trades, I know MT4 quite well so just want to clarify this, if this works for somebody, keep it up.

Anyway, TAH is not a newbie, as I see here many newcomers with micro acount for few hundreds bucks I just want to emphasize how important is not betting against the trend / last market momentum , name the market movement how You want.

For beginners in long run in 90% it will end with margin call. You can make it few times, but for sure there will be next day like today or much bigger "black swan", and it will wiped out Your earning so hard made in last weeks/months.

Generally i think that trading style, TAH represents is not appropriate for newbies.

In long run if trader wants to be profitable, cant afford for 20% drawdown in single day like today betting against the trend.

Maybe there are some rules with this system (dont read all of it yeat) how use money management which is of course the most important think in trading, because what I can see how TAH is betting against EU, every trader having 10 000 USD on account should open maximum (betting against trend) lets say 10 times for 0,05 LOTS. Then if market moves 100-150 pips against Your average, your trade is 5-7% loss of account, for me its to much for one day.

Simple calculations shows, that if Your broker allows You minimum size 0,01 Lots, You should have on the account at least 2000 $ for move like today, and Your maximum position size is 0,1 lots at the peak.

"Trading" with 500 $ account with summary positions size lets say 0,1 lots makes no sense = margin call.

Regards
  • #50,514
  • Jun 6, 2013 2:40pm Jun 6, 2013 2:40pm
Seriously, everybody is long. Lots and lots of liquidity when people start taking profit.
I have been trading FX for about 12 years, it pays my rent, this is just normal martket moevment.
The reason I love SonicR is because it predicted just that, with PA confirming every singgle move on GBPUSD we've seen in the past couple of days.
To me it seems the only people out of liquidity will be the people in this thread, I've been in touch with a lot of fellow traders today, everybody was long GBPUSD and most people earned a nice vacation being there.
I do sincerely wish you guys all the luck, and me too, I'd love to go short. Good news, the dragon is almost up to speed with price.
  • #50,515
  • Edited 3:57pm Jun 6, 2013 2:53pm | Edited 3:57pm
Quoting ArtfulDodger
This is the perfect moment for TAH's comment to be repeated: PVSRA, Is There A Bubble Here That Could Burst? Apollo14, Actually, there have been some components that "failed", as I reported. If I understand correctly, because of the success shown for nine weeks running, you are concerned that there just has to be an impending downside, and a big downside at that! Nope. You see, compare logically the building of positions to taking a single position. Suppose a single position is taken and a 100 pips SL is set and the SL is hit. O
I preach good

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but I do not do well

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However, if we are here is to tame the beast.

Now taking the two positions eu and gu, I have some inputs for over 300 pips loss, possible that MMS still bears? Now I would say two operations failed to seek escape.
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  • #50,516
  • Jun 6, 2013 4:45pm Jun 6, 2013 4:45pm
I feel your pain Bro, Just hang on, we are all in this shit together, whether you like it or not.

There is no spoon....
  • #50,517
  • Jun 6, 2013 5:00pm Jun 6, 2013 5:00pm
Is this happening only in my broker or do you have this wtf volume as well?
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  • #50,518
  • Jun 6, 2013 5:03pm Jun 6, 2013 5:03pm
Quoting Tymedu
Is this happening only in my broker or do you have this wtf volume as well? {image}
I have the same...
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  • #50,519
  • Jun 6, 2013 5:04pm Jun 6, 2013 5:04pm
Quoting Tymedu
Is this happening only in my broker or do you have this wtf volume as well? {image}
Yep, weird stuff ...
http://www.forexlive.com/blog/2013/0...in-early-asia/
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  • #50,520
  • Jun 6, 2013 5:14pm Jun 6, 2013 5:14pm
Quoting Tymedu
Is this happening only in my broker or do you have this wtf volume as well? {image}
I dont have this extreme volume, but dont open more positions.... If it crosses H4 D1 Res it will go to Month res.

If bounce down, it wil go to the next support, may be a ranging and down where Tah and all of us want...

I suppose !
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