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  • #50,121
  • Jun 1, 2013 3:46pm Jun 1, 2013 3:46pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} emmanuel7788, You profess to be a Christian. I can accept that. The question is whether you are a practicing Christian. Only you and God know the answer. This is not a religious forum and this is not the Trading Made Easy thread. This is the Sonic R. System thread. You have the nasty habit of dropping in only from time to time, pretending to be an authority on both the Sonic R. System, as well as the market, and continuously taking "shots" at me. And you continuously refer to the names of some others that have left as being successful...

TAH,

this is my last reply to you this weekend.
I need to go out and enjoy the sun now and walk the hills.

Forex Factory is a free public forum. Leave it as it is.

Video to share with all people and members.
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Enjoy the weekend and your freedom.

Be Blessed.

EMMANUEL
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #50,122
  • Jun 1, 2013 3:48pm Jun 1, 2013 3:48pm
PVSRA Results for 1st Nine Weeks

The following are the results of my trading the Sonic R. System using PVSRA to determine if it is a bull or bear market, and then trading the price action I see.

Week ending 04/05
1289 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 19 parts (18 parts winners), and averaging 67+ pips per all parts.

Week ending 04/12
1891 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 28 parts (all winners), averaging 67+ pips per all parts.

Week ending 04/19
2160 pips gained, 9 trades totaling 31 parts (29 parts winners), averaging 69+ pips per all parts.

Week ending 04/26
2640 pips gained, 6 trades totaling 34 parts (all winners), averaging 77+ pips per all parts.

Week ending 05/03
2530 pips gained, 6 trades totaling 24 parts (23 parts winners), averaging 105+ pips per all parts.

Week ending 05/10
3050 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 33 parts (all winners), averaging 92+ pips per all parts.

Week ending 05/17
1590 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 16 parts (all winners), averaging 99+ pips per all parts.

Week ending 05/24
3980 pips gained, 7 trades totaling 40 parts (33 parts winners), averaging 99+ pips per all parts.

Week ending 05/31
4003 pips gained, 5 trades totaling 37 parts (34 parts winners), averaging 108+ pips per all parts.

All of these trades, all of the trade parts thereof, were posted real-time right here on the Sonic R. System thread, using crystal clear easy to understand charts and explanations regarding PVSRA reasons for entries, whether Classic or Scout trades.

  • #50,123
  • Jun 1, 2013 3:54pm Jun 1, 2013 3:54pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} emmanuel7788, You profess to be a Christian. I can accept that. The question is whether you are a practicing Christian. Only you and God know the answer. This is not a religious forum and this is not the Trading Made Easy thread. This is the Sonic R. System thread. You have the nasty habit of dropping in only from time to time, pretending to be an authority on both the Sonic R. System, as well as the market, and continuously taking "shots" at me. And you continuously refer to the names of some others that have left as being successful traders. They might not be. For over a very long time I have been here. This is my home for trading. For a very long time I have posted my trades, real -time postings. Over the years some have criticized my trades, like I was not to have the same right to make mistakes as others. I have made trading mistakes, but I posted them right along with the others. Some have accused the trades as being false. I have pointed to the fact they were posted real-time, both entries and exits. So, unless I have the power to make the outcome in the market to be whatever it needed to be in order for my trades to come out good, they were not false. Some accuse I don't make money. I post trades real-time, both entries and exits. And that is all that needs to be said on this. It is an easy thing to do, but very few others have the courage to do it on a regular and ongoing basis. To my knowledge, I have set the example on all of Forex Factory. And this might be one reason for the success of this thread. And because I have set the example, the Sonic R. System thread has more traders posting trades real-time than on any other Forex Factory thread! My views on the market have also come under criticism. I use the term "MMs". Sonic uses the term "Big Boys". We have both used the term "SM". And it is totally unimportant what "label" we use to refer to those with the amount of money and will to use it to move prices, in order to simplify our postings. As one who posts here infrequently, you have not experienced the workload to which I am referring. It is, therefore, easy for you to be an "armchair critic". -tah
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} TAH, this is my last reply to you this weekend. I need to go out and enjoy the sun now and walk the hills. Forex Factory is a free public forum. Leave it as it is. Video to share with all people and members. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdNwa...layer_embedded Enjoy the weekend and your freedom. Be Blessed. EMMANUEL
"TAH, this is my last reply to you this weekend." - emmanuel7788
Thank you, God!
  • #50,124
  • Jun 1, 2013 3:58pm Jun 1, 2013 3:58pm
Hello Tah

Can you pse attach the PVSRA PDF manual.. Ibtried to downloaded several times to no avail. It says file error.
i am new to the thread but read a lot of pages and have been studying it for some times.

Tks


Be blessed
  • #50,125
  • Jun 1, 2013 4:17pm Jun 1, 2013 4:17pm
Quoting weklil
Hello Tah Can you pse attach the PVSRA PDF manual.. Ibtried to downloaded several times to no avail. It says file error. i am new to the thread but read a lot of pages and have been studying it for some times. Tks Be blessed
Go ahead

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  • #50,126
  • Jun 1, 2013 6:51pm Jun 1, 2013 6:51pm
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} hey buddy, that's greaty feeling to make 1000pips in just few days trading. now you can go big time. think of 10% return every 20 trading days with a trading capital of US$300k. Good Luck. regards, EMMANUEL

PFFFFF, you should see my other week it was 2000 pips. So by your advice to all of us we all need to stop trading coz it is all illusion. I´d say I know what I want and I will do anything to get it. I work hard, learn hard, so I would like to tell you my friend, no one truly gives a s**t about anything unless it costs something. So here we have a chance to earn, and everyone who earn here, simply don't care about anything else. You need to convince everyone here to hate money and there is no way you can do it, no matter what, religion or other reasons.

Please bro, just keep it cool, no one forcing anyone to do anything they don't want. We all here to do what we want, don't spoil it by angry threats. People are not idiots, and even if some are, there is no way you will convince them to be cured.

I wish you all the best bro, just calm down.

I have been in this frustrating valley, it is not worth s**t.
There is no spoon....
  • #50,127
  • Edited Jun 2, 2013 4:24am Jun 1, 2013 9:38pm | Edited Jun 2, 2013 4:24am
I see a short scout opportunity coming..


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  • #50,128
  • Jun 1, 2013 11:28pm Jun 1, 2013 11:28pm
Always a good read...


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/06/

Sonic
  • #50,129
  • Jun 1, 2013 11:38pm Jun 1, 2013 11:38pm
TAH... just a random question...are you a full time forex trader??..or do you juggle it with other career
  • #50,130
  • Edited 5:01am Jun 2, 2013 2:48am | Edited 5:01am
Introduction: PVSRA and Money Management

PVSRA stands for Price, Volume, S&R Analysis. What makes this market analysis unique is the application of key S&R levels between whole numbers to what otherwise would be just an analysis of price and volume. PVSRA represents a gigantic leap in getting positive results. Of course, getting positive results is what trading is all about. So, let's continue with some aspects of money management.

When the analysis that is called PVSRA is done correctly, it will show you if the entities that are moving price are bulls or bears. This is the single most important determination that any form of market analysis can provide, and PVSRA provides it real-time without the need to wait for follow-on price action. In fact, follow-on price action can belie the bull bear status. Why? Bulls can move price up, sure, but they can also move price down for better buying. Bears can move price down, sure, but they can also move price up for better selling. So follow-on price action is definately not what you want to be waiting for in order to determine the bull/bear status of the market. You might have to wait the market out until PVSRA can provide a clear determination, but once that is done you do not need wait longer for confirmation from anything else.

Once PVSRA has determined the bull/bear status of the entities that are moving price, you have all you need to know to best strategize your trading. Since bulls and bears move prices in both directions, let's consider some strategies, and some money management.

PVSRA = Bull Market
1. While price trends up, enter on pulldowns to key PVSRA levels when PVSRA provides a confirming signal on that event.
2. While price trends down, enter on successive lows to key PVSRA levels when PVSRA provides a confirming signal on that event.
3. Do both #1 and #2.
4. Within the context of the Sonic R. System Classic trade, do #1, or #2, or both #1 and #2, only when a Classic long setup or re-entry follows the event.

PVSRA = Bear Market
1. While price trends down, enter on pullups to key PVSRA levels when PVSRA provides a confirming signal on that event.
2. While price trends up, enter on successive highs to key PVSRA levels when PVSRA provides a confirming signal on that event.
3. Do both #1 and #2.
4. Within the context of the Sonic R. System Classic trade, do #1, or #2, or both #1 and #2, only when a Classic short setup or re-entry follows the event.

Immediately we see there can be multiple entries involved instead of the typical single entry Classic trade, or Classic re-entry trade. Your money management needs adjusting to accommodate multiple entries. An easy adjustment is to switch to trading one tenth size positions. If you trade in lots, trade mini-lots. If you trade mini-lots, trade micro-lots. By doing this, you will be trading more safely because when price moves against your trade, as it often will for a time, you have not entered all your position. In fact, you can take advantage of that price move by adding other components to your trade at appropriate places (as stated in the strategies above). You might even initially try using one twentieth of your normal size trade. This would allow you to build up a trade involving twenty components as price swings before decisively moving on in the direction intended. Apply the same single SL to all the positions being built, the same SL as you would have for a single entry trade. If the SL is hit, you won't lose as much as with the single entry trade. At no time would your drawdown risk be as high as if you had made a single large entry and you can be more relaxed about where you place your entries.

Remember, PVSRA is a form of market analysis and not a trading method. PVSRA determines if the price moving entities are bulls or bears, regardless of the direction they are moving the price. How you strategize to trade, once you know the bull/bear status of the market, is up to you. Knowing that bulls and bears move price in both directions, and that multiple entries might be involved to take full advantage of price swings, your money management should involve switching to one tenth, or less sized positions compared to what your normal size trades have been. Apply the same single SL to all the positions being built, the same SL as you would have for a single entry trade.
  • #50,131
  • Jun 2, 2013 2:57am Jun 2, 2013 2:57am
Quoting sonicdeejay
Always a good read... http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/06/ Sonic
Excellent master. I didn't know that blog, very interesting. Thank you.
To fail is just an opportunity to learn
  • #50,132
  • Jun 2, 2013 2:58am Jun 2, 2013 2:58am
I am ashamed as a dog for my english, but I try, however, to propose the topic because I have not seen a real failure of a transaction, and therefore are worried about this, I would not be with a match in hand.

I state that I suspended the actual trading in batches and I opened an account with LiteForex for 300 $> $ 30,000 and advice to all newbies and those who are working with real money to do such a thing.

I find it difficult to express myself so I do help with numbers.
Here I report the trading 9 weeks the professor TAH () which goes all my respect and perhaps something more, I added a hypothetical week to simulate a 3 week trade fail.
Can fail because we have the wrong analysis or because there is a fallen meteorite or an attack () or breaks a nuclear power plant. Time for you to decide the dafarsi you are a situation of this kind.

E 'fair to say that the trade has failed with 250 pips (average) for each explorer you have open on an instrument?

Or read the stop violation of S / R week?
Or on each transaction we followed the Bulls and now we are chased by bears or vice versa?

I apologize if I repeat these things that for me are fundamental to operate. Good Sunday.
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  • #50,133
  • Edited 4:24am Jun 2, 2013 3:40am | Edited 4:24am
Quoting Apollo14
I am ashamed as a dog for my english, but I try, however, to propose the topic because I have not seen a real failure of a transaction, and therefore are worried about this, I would not be with a match in hand. I state that I suspended the actual trading in batches and I opened an account with LiteForex for 300 $> $ 30,000 and advice to all newbies and those who are working with real money to do such a thing. I find it difficult to express myself so I do help with numbers. Here I report the trading 9 weeks the professor TAH () which goes...
PVSRA, Is There A Bubble Here That Could Burst?

Apollo14,

Actually, there have been some components that "failed", as I reported. If I understand correctly, because of the success shown for nine weeks running, you are concerned that there just has to be an impending downside, and a big downside at that!

Nope.

You see, compare logically the building of positions to taking a single position. Suppose a single position is taken and a 100 pips SL is set and the SL is hit. Ok, that situation is readily understood; 100 pips loss. Now, consider building a position using ten entries that are one-tenth the size and starting at where the single large entry was made. Each subsequent one tenth sized entry gets added as the price moves to the SL. The SL is hit. All one-tenth sized entries are stopped out, sure enough. The number of pips lost is much less, though, probably about half as many as with the single trade because the average of the ten one-tenth sized positions is much closer to the SL!

The only downside to building a position using PVSRA is that if price never pulls back on the trade, if the price only goes forward and the position is built that way, the pips gained at the Take Profit level will be less since not all the trade components were added at the first Entry Point. Ask any trader, though, and if they are experienced they will say that they'd much rather have it that way, less profit in exchange for less loss, because they know a trade that only moves in the positive direction is rare compared to trades that involve pullbacks in the negative direction. PVSRA lets you know when it is to your advantage (more future profit from the trade) to add to your trade on those pullbacks.

So, light all the matches in hand that you want to, and celebrate!

All I can do for the Sonic R. System thread is to demonstrate via my real-time trades just how much more effective against the market position building is compared to single entry trading. I cannot control how the market moves. I cannot know where will be the tops and bottoms, or any other "best" entry, nor do I think can anyone else. What I can do is pepper the price swings with entries that are in the correct direction according to PVSRA, and when PVSRA indicates I should do so. Then, when the market finally makes a break for profits, it will make my trade profitable. That is essentially what I have been doing. That is essentially what the market has been doing.

Apply the same single SL to all the positions being built, the same SL as you would have for a single entry trade. If the SL is hit, you won't lose as much as with the single entry trade.
  • #50,134
  • Jun 2, 2013 4:01am Jun 2, 2013 4:01am
Is MMs equal to moving averages?
anybody can help me?
  • #50,135
  • Jun 2, 2013 4:22am Jun 2, 2013 4:22am
Quoting traderathome
{quote}

If folks come here and simply download and start, intentionally ignoring their responsibility to read and learn, then whatever happens to them is their own fault. We do not spoon feed here. As traders ourselves, we do not have the time to be constantly bending over backwards making efforts to save the lazy ones. Maybe you yourself have not read the PVSRA PDF, and have failed to see the above
-tah
This was an important part of the statement to take note of....there are plenty of people
who find the thread, and see how popular it is. They are searching for the "quick fix" and
not interested in reading and studying the entire content.

Nothing you can do or say will change their way of thinking. Perhaps it takes a major
catastrophe to open their eyes to the truth, and only then will they begin to learn.

The fact that taking up to ten positions that are one tenth the size of whatever has previously
been the habit of a trader, and even taking them when price is going in the "wrong" direction,
can typically result in half the risk of one large single position trade

Another important statement, and one that has been emphasized again, and again, and again.
However, if a person skips to the end of the thread without reading, they would have missed it.
The risk involved is actually less, not greater (depending on what the total number of entries
are) by trading in this method. The reward can be greater, but it has been pointed out MANY
times to use proper money management (and this is subjective to each individual). Only YOU
know what your account can stand. It's up to the individual to have the sense to know what
that amount is, and to react accordingly.

You can't generalize - it doesn't work!

  • #50,136
  • Jun 2, 2013 4:34am Jun 2, 2013 4:34am
Quoting ArtfulDodger
{quote} This was an important part of the statement to take note of....there are plenty of people who find the thread, and see how popular it is. They are searching for the "quick fix" and not interested in reading and studying the entire content. Nothing you can do or say will change their way of thinking. Perhaps it takes a major catastrophe to open their eyes to the truth, and only then will they begin to learn. The fact that taking up to ten positions that are one tenth the size of whatever has previously been the habit of a trader, and even...
you think everybody can read documents. I dont know english language very well and cannot understand. I see charts and try to found what it say.and documents didnot explain completely
  • #50,137
  • Edited 4:46am Jun 2, 2013 4:34am | Edited 4:46am
Quoting ramin1234
Is MMs equal to moving averages? anybody can help me?
ramin,

I could give you the answer easy enough. However, I have used the term frequently enough in my posts since you came to the thread that you should be able to know just by the context in which I use it, what it refers to. I have even done so again this weekend. By you asking this question, I can tell you are not reading the thread. I suggest you do so.

You see, the problem is there are more folks on the planet than I have time for answer this same question for, should they all start to ask. Since I could not satisfy all, I should satisfy none. That is only fair. But, you can read and pick up things that way. Yes, it might be tough if your english is not so good. For that, I have no other solution that is fair to all, including me.

I have nothing against you. And I understand the difficulty for you if your english is not so good. You, however, need to realize that if good english were a requirement to attend a particular course at the university, and you wanted to take and pass well that course, then the responsibility is upon you to get better at your understanding of english before applying. And perhaps by doing more reading here, your understanding of english will improve.
  • #50,138
  • Jun 2, 2013 4:39am Jun 2, 2013 4:39am
A comment for EVERYONE......

Yes, this is a public forum. Anyone can do and say what they want (within reason).

TAH has NEVER ONCE said "ok everybody, do exactly what I am doing."

He has said over, and over, and over again to READ THE THREAD and to make
your own decisions.

He has been about as open as you can be on such a forum. He says what he
is doing, and he shows it too. The people looking for a "free ride" miss 90% of
the message. And because they are too lazy to read and study and practice,
they end up getting burned. They have nobody to blame for that but themselves.

It doesn't really matter, because they will just find another thread and do exactly
the same thing. You can't help someone that isn't willing to help themselves.
  • #50,139
  • Jun 2, 2013 5:12am Jun 2, 2013 5:12am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} ramin, I could give you the answer easy enough. However, I have used the term frequently enough in my posts since you came to the thread that you should be able to know just by the context in which I use it, what it refers to. I have even done so again this weekend. By you asking this question, I can tell you are not reading the thread. I suggest you do so. You see, the problem is there are more folks on the planet than I have time for answer this same question for, should they all start to ask. Since I could not satisfy all, I should satisfy...
thanks a lot for your post
when I read more I cofuse more and more but I read more and more because I find my way .I read your posts more than 2 year .
but you dont answer to me what is MMs?
  • #50,140
  • Jun 2, 2013 5:16am Jun 2, 2013 5:16am
Quoting ramin1234
{quote} thanks a lot for your post when I read more I cofuse more and more but I read more and more because I find my way .I read your posts more than 2 year . but you dont answer to me what is MMs?
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