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  • #47,661
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:42am Apr 29, 2013 11:42am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Something PVSRA Clearly Shows You mentioned MMs accumulating, and afterwards starting the run for profit,....a slow process due to the necessity to attract in longs into the rally which can take some time to convince them to do. What PVSRA shows clearly is that at the top of each step up, -tah
Prof.It is Very useful tool peak entry point and best part we have good professor like you and Thankful to you for introduce it us.

More knowledge on PVSRA Please.

Regards
frank
  • #47,662
  • Apr 29, 2013 11:59am Apr 29, 2013 11:59am
From tah's earlier priceless piece about volume and candles:
"If the price started only 100+ pips below a day or so ago, chances are it is not finished moving up. On the other hand, if price started 200+, or 250+, etc. pips lower a number of days ago and is now landing above a half or a whole number, and on very high trading up there, the chances are a reversal top is under construction".


Great stuff to figure what charts you might want to be taking a look at each day.
  • #47,663
  • Apr 29, 2013 12:08pm Apr 29, 2013 12:08pm
AUD/CHF - IS THE MM BULL OR BEAR?

I saw some selling at high, also some buying at low

Is the MM really bull or bear in this case?

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To clear my doubts.. i try use M1 chart..

its seems the trend is going BULL trend, and also the MM buy at low.. But i circle 1 part where MM sell at high.

So what is the MM really. Bull or BEAR , thanks for teaching !!

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  • #47,664
  • Apr 29, 2013 12:40pm Apr 29, 2013 12:40pm
To cut all of tbis short -price moves in between supply and demand at various levels dependant on the timeframes
you are watching. ie you need to identify s+r levels within the timeframe you look at - only then can you start to apply
volume study analysis and then apply sonic trades or scouts

Regards,

H.
"The future is already written in the past"
  • #47,665
  • Edited 5:56pm Apr 29, 2013 5:35pm | Edited 5:56pm
Quoting baokydev
AUD/CHF - IS THE MM BULL OR BEAR? I saw some selling at high, also some buying at low Is the MM really bull or bear in this case? {image} To clear my doubts.. i try use M1 chart.. its seems the trend is going BULL trend, and also the MM buy at low.. But i circle 1 part where MM sell at high. So what is the MM really. Bull or BEAR , thanks for teaching !! {image}
The "SR" in PVSRA

Whole, half and to a much lesser degree the quarter number levels are universal Supply and Demand areas, and to which side of them that the MMs move price and then increase their trading is an indicator as to whether the MMs are bulls or bears. So, for example, if the MMs move price below a whole number and then increase their trading, then that area has become a Demand Zone fpr the MMs and they are bulls. If the MMs move price above a whole number and then increase their trading, then that area has become a Supply Zone for the MMs and they are bears.

Whole and half number areas are significant Demand/Supply zones, and one time they might be of Demand and another time of Supply. The MMs place orders for longs or shorts at such areas making them what they turn out to be. The important thing is not to try and figure out in advance what they will be when price gets there, but to analyze what the MMs do when they get the price there!

Are whole and half numbers the only "most significant" levels that were either a zone of Supply or of Demand when price was last there? No, and Hansma point out that we need to be aware of such other levels, not that they will be of Supply or of Demand as when price was last there, but because if price takes off in their direction then price most likely will eventually get there. Once price revisits a zone of previous Supply or of previous Demand, we can tell via PVSRA what type of zone it is now. If PVSRA indicates the MMs are bulls, then it remains or has switched to a Demand Zone. If PVSRA indicates the MMs are bears, then it remains or has switched to a Supply Zone. The important thing about such levels other than whole/half numbers is not knowing what they will be (Supply or Demand) when price next gets there, but to know they are possible targets. Once price gets their, based on PVSRA we will know then what the area is (Supply or Demand).

For me personally, I don't pay much attention to historic "Supply" and "Demand" areas as targets, and of course I never concern myself with what they might be (Supply or Demand) should price next get there. I find using whole, half and quarter number levels are universal enough, in that order of priority, that I can trade very profitably and with a lot more simplicity. Inter-day swings tend to be birthed in these areas and die in these areas. And it makes my trading life a lot less complicated to trade off of them.

However, I do pay close attention to all of Hansma's posts because he is a "no messing around" success doing what he does. He has a lot to offer to anyone willing to listen up and learn.

Important: sometimes PVSRA results are unclear and you simply must keep analyzing until they become clear.

-tah
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  • #47,666
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:14pm Apr 29, 2013 7:14pm
Quoting traderathome
Market Comment If the first day of the week is sometimes for positioning pairs to where the MMs want them for moves later in the week, and if today is such a day, then because the MMs pushed up AU and EU, and because the MMs kept GU up,......all these pairs might be in for good profit making runs down this week. -tah

Indeed, we have more and more important news announcement in later week, especially NFP on Friday..
Big move in Monday prove me that MM are swing the mkt to take positions....


Sonic
  • #47,667
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:15pm Apr 29, 2013 7:15pm
Hi Tah, i have tryed to figuer out myself what is half and full number.could you put it in lamesterms so i could understand.

Thanx in advance.
There is no spoon....
  • #47,668
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:44pm Apr 29, 2013 7:44pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} The "SR" in PVSRA Whole, half and to a much lesser degree the quarter number levels are universal Supply and Demand areas, and to which side of them that the MMs move price and then increase their trading is an indicator as to whether the MMs are bulls or bears. So, for example, if the MMs move price below a whole number and then increase their trading, then that area has become a Demand Zone fpr the MMs and they are bulls. If the MMs move price above a whole number and then increase their trading, then that area has become a Supply Zone...
TAH,

I do not doubt your PVSRA experiment as I do see merits in the way you read the volume data in M1 and M15 relatioships.
I also recognise the deep passion you have in this PVSRA and the amount of hours dedicated in pursuing this experiment which I believe will bear fruits one day into a great 'trading technology' if I may use this term.
Then when that time comes, you can really start a new thread here in FF or perhaps even a own website dedicated to PVSRA trading.
Next best thing to do is write a book, it will sell and provide you a good passive income. You need a publisher, look me up and I'll make the connections.
From the way I look at PVSRA as of now and reading all the posts you made thanks to FF member jackywang5' pdf, I see this can be blended into any mechanical trading system as add-on trading tool. Whether one uses Support and Reistance or Supply and Demand, or any indicator based system, the PVSRA will work too.
What do you think?

Now I have a question about your new PVA (10,10,1.5 2.0)
What is the technical difference from the SonicR PV (20,10)?
You made a change to the Climax and Rising bars, right?
But why the 1.5 and 2.0 criteria? What is the significance these two have in M15 and M1, and over a longer period analysis. .

I look forward to you sharing some insight on this new PVSRA indicator now and not have to wait till your next release date. I am sure there are more VSA lovers who would like to contribute to and share their views on use of VSA.

Thanks.

EMMANUEL.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #47,669
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:48pm Apr 29, 2013 7:48pm
Quoting frank.david
{quote} Complete Day dedicated to PVSRA (Price Volume Support & Resistance analysis). Reading pdf based on volume trading.I have some important lines and have steel strong relation to PVSRA. Volume spread analysis The basic premise behind the volume spread analysis is that the market is basically moved by the “Smart Money”. The smart money accumulates the stocks at low prices. Then begins process of marking up the price. Then the “Dumb Money” starts entering the smart slowly. The smart money starts passing the ownership of the...
Excellent post, frank.david...

now you got more of my interest here.

thanks!
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #47,670
  • Edited 9:19pm Apr 29, 2013 7:56pm | Edited 9:19pm
Quoting sonicdeejay
{quote} Not at all... Position building is a way to go.... Sonic
to make money, we must be in the market...we don't make money when we stay at the sideline and do analysis and waiting for the techinical indicators to give signals, setups, etc.

therefore Position building is the best way to go , if you allow me to add to what you said, Great Teacher Sonic!

it is in fact better with Multiple Entries / Multiple Exits (ME/ME) which Sonicers must look into and work on to make trading SonicR your very own trading system.

it is always about your entries and your exits in trading the market.
Read these few pdf pages.

Trade well folks,
EMMANUEL
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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #47,671
  • Apr 29, 2013 7:59pm Apr 29, 2013 7:59pm
Quoting jackywang5
Here is how I trade with volume and sonicR system My trade was based on candles shape with volumes. and sonic entry or re-entry rules. trading 5min gold, cos I dont like big stops, it makes me uncomfortable. m5 gold move gives me enough pips. I discarded all S/R lines, cos I only pay attention to the candles. Any comments would help me improve my tradings. Regards jacky {image}
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jackywang5,

did you make this chart posted?
Excellent stuff. You know how to use VSA .
Welldone!
When I grow up, I want to make charts like yours.


Regards,
EMMANUEL
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #47,672
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:10pm Apr 29, 2013 8:10pm
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} TAH, I do not doubt your PVSRA experiment as I do see merits in the way you read the volume data in M1 and M15 relatioships. I also recognise the deep passion you have in this PVSRA and the amount of hours dedicated in pursuing this experiment which I believe will bear fruits one day into a great 'trading technology' if I may use this term. Then when that time comes, you can really start a new thread here in FF or perhaps even a own website dedicated to PVSRA trading. Next best thing to do is write a book, it will sell and provide you a...
1. I have no intention of leaving Sonic to start another thread.
2. All your questions I have already answered in previous posts.

-tah
  • #47,673
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:18pm Apr 29, 2013 8:18pm
any open positions ?
  • #47,674
  • Apr 29, 2013 8:46pm Apr 29, 2013 8:46pm
Remember this???....5 days later...and still running #TOLD CHA!
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  • #47,675
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:13pm Apr 29, 2013 9:13pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} 1. I have no intention of leaving Sonic to start another thread. 2. All your questions I have already answered in previous posts. -tah
well, good ...

how about your own website? it will expose to a very much bigger audience. Believe me when I Google 'PVSRA' it should be directed to TAH PVSRA website.

and the book idea? I still think a book will bring you the passive income. One of my mentor published two forex trading books ( now writing his 3rd book) and every month his bank account grow while he sleeps and the shops cash register just ring on its own.

You will have all the glory and fame, and the reputation with more money. Remember your happy squirrels.

regards,
EMMANUEL
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #47,676
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:24pm Apr 29, 2013 9:24pm
Calm before the storm..

We have lots of euro related news coming later..
Until then..


Sonic
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  • #47,677
  • Edited 9:59pm Apr 29, 2013 9:24pm | Edited 9:59pm
Enough of Childishness

Amadeus8 and Emmanuel7788 now on "Ignore".
  • #47,678
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:38pm Apr 29, 2013 9:38pm
Quoting traderathome
Enough Childishness Amadeus8 and Emmanuel7788 now on "Ignore".

I have read a lot of this thread..... My reply below:
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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #47,679
  • Apr 29, 2013 9:56pm Apr 29, 2013 9:56pm
Quoting Amadeus8
Remember this???....5 days later...and still running #TOLD CHA!
head and shoulders
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  • #47,680
  • Apr 29, 2013 10:05pm Apr 29, 2013 10:05pm
Quoting traderathome
Enough Childishness Amadeus8 and Emmanuel7788 now on "Ignore".
HAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAH....TOO MUCH EGO TO GIVE CREDIT TO MY POST.....a little humility wont make you a less talented trader.....you dont have to ignore me....i am going to quit posting here anyways....this thread is almost 100% controlled by you.

My post shows how pros trade bra.....see yaa
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